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Paedophiles: The Iron Curtain is dropping

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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Here is the info about Berlusconi's bunga bunga parties:
www.huffingtonpost.com...

In the dry wording of prosecution documents, sex parties at Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's palatial villa followed a well scripted routine drawing in erotic dancers and underage prostitutes.




posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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I admire your strength and willingness to share your story in a public forum. It is people like you that will help bring these revolting creatures to some form of human justice. (which will never be enough IMO)

Your statements about self loathing and 56 years of hell truly sadden me. My mom was sexually abused as a child by her dad and she has struggled her entire life (69 years) with self-loathing, low self-esteem...etc. God, her DAD for goodness sake....the one person on this earth that a little girl should be able to trust....so, so sad.

You are a strong, courageous and inspiring person, who I hope will tap into that strength once again to find peace and the ability to experience love.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Thank you for being so candid with us about what you've been through. I'm so sorry you've suffered so much.

Hearing how the abuse has effected you should really bring it home to everyone who feels that this crime is just a run of the mill thing that happens everyday and the victims are able to move on easily. This just isn't the way it is.

I don't believe talking about this will desensitize people towards the crime. I believe it will open more eyes and the paedophiles who think they can keep going on like they have been will realize the lasting damage they're doing to their victims. Paedophiles who act upon their impulses are the most selfish and destructive criminals in today's society. I hope nobody ever becomes deadened towards the pain that they inflict upon their innocent victims. Just as we haven't considered domestic violence as an acceptable thing since we started paying more attention to it, I don't see how this would happen with child sex crimes either.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


Paedophiles who act upon their impulses are the most selfish and destructive criminals in today's society.

Never a truer statement made...IMO.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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While I empathize with your state of being, I suggest you have made a huge step; namely, being able to express your feelings. Do not engage in the self-fulfilling prophesy of using the word, "never." Never is an impossible state of being, just as the word "always."



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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Pedophelia can be found in all levels of society. OC if a person in a position of power is a pedophile and takes advantage of his power, then its an even bigger problem.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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My first instinct is to yell for capital punishment for these paeieoudophiles (British spelling), but, upon further contemplation I just think they should get a few life sentences of hard time with my friend Fleece Johnson.



All about the booty!



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Who do you believe helped bring this about (this idolization and sexualization of youth)? The same people I'm talking about in this thread. It's called conditioning, grooming, and brainwashing. Many children and adults have fallen into the trap.

Do not make the mistake of believing that politicians, advertisers and marketers put ideas into people’s heads. We (yes, I used to work in advertising myself) would never succeed to the extent we have if we tried that foolish course.

What we really do is the exact opposite of this. We use research to find what is already inside people’s heads and leverage that to sell products and services. We trade on consumers’ own inner, unspoken desires and anxieties. Please understand what this means: if there is hysteria in the west over paedophilia, it is because the sexual fetishization of youth is an important element in modern western culture. In other words: everybody is to some degree involved in paedophilia – not just the people who actually molest children.

Have you not noticed that Western women have been trying to look younger for generations, because western culture promotes and sexualizes infantility in women? Slim figures, narrow, boyish hips, smooth, youthful complexions, big eyes and small noses relative to face size are all considered highly attractive – so much so that the ‘Latin’ preference for more normally-shaped women is actually regarded as unusual in (white) America.

Clothes, make-up, lifestyle, exercise... everything a sexually active American woman does to herself physically is an attempt to make herself look younger than she is. The only exceptions to this rule are actual adolescents.

At root, such preferences are derived from a legitimate evolutionary imperative: men are generally attracted to younger women. A young women is probably fitter and likely to live longer, so she is more likely to have fitter children and live long enough to see them safely through adolescence than an older woman is. This makes her a desirable sexual partner in terms of natural selection.

However, in the west, social and commercial forces seem to have driven a kind of runaway sexual selection through culture, so that grown women have to struggle constantly to look younger and younger all the time. Look at the way women dressed in the 1940s; look at how they dress now. See the difference?

Paedophile hysteria is most likely an extreme, dysfunctional manifestation of the Western cultural trend towards desiring ever younger and younger women. Nearly everyone in Western Caucasian society participates in this trend to some degree.

It does not help that there is such a wide (and increasing) gap between the average age at which young girls attain puberty and the age at which they are legally considered adults in Western society. My sister-in-law is a social worker in England, and she tells me she regularly sees 12-year-olds on North London housing estates, pushing prams. Obviously this is neither normal nor desirable – but it is increasingly the case.

The sexualization of youth in the West is not a new trend. It has been going on since the 1920s at least, but it really exploded during the 1960s, the decade of ‘youth culture’. America and other western societies have never really looked back since that time. And the greater this pathological focus on the desirability of youth, the greater the danger apparently posed to society by paedophiles.

However, and notwithstanding what I have said above, I don’t believe the number of actual paedophiles in the West is significantly higher than in other cultures. I think western cultures, particularly America’s, just make a bigger issue of it.

And before some foolish person accuses me of it – no, I am not recommending that we all adopt the mores of Indian or Arab cultures in which child marriage is practised. It would be better if society could come to its senses and stop fetishizing youth. People who fear and loathe paedophiles would be better employed trying to reduce the sexual focus on youth in Western culture to more reasonable levels. Employ your energies in campaigning against those kiddy beauty contests in malls, tighten up on the use of children on TV and in advertising, make it unfashionable for grown women to try to look like young girls.

Also, acknowledge that adolescents, too, are sexual creatures and stop treating them as children. This will help separate real paedophilia from the reprehensible but by no means perverse attraction that many adults have for adolescents (and vice versa).

Only social change can ultimately solve this problem. Stigmatization and witch-hunts will make things worse.


edit on 6/12/11 by Astyanax because: of an afterthought.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Everybody on this thread should read your post and consider what they are getting themselves into.


The witch-hunt of which I speak actually began in America with ‘Megan’s Law’. It is already well advanced, but it isn’t quite out of control yet. Judging by the response to the OP in this thread, however, it looks as if it soon will be.

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What I am trying to get here is that, as you have heard that some people come with the reason why they are allowing gays to be gays, you maybe hearing that paedophiles are born paedophiles. Then law makers will allow innocent children to marry paedophiles in church.

Paedophiles probably are born paedophiles. But I don’t think you need worry about this. As Maslo pointed out earlier, marriage is an agreement between consenting parties, and those under the age of consent cannot marry. This is unlikely to change unless paedophiles gain influence as a political lobby. I don’t believe that will ever happen.

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I support homosexual rights on the grounds that homosexuality and homosexual sex is a victimless "crime". There is no victim, no one is harmed (who?). With pedophilia, the child is harmed.

Or at the very least, used without consent. Absolutely right. Hmdphantom, can’t you see the difference?

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There's a difference between being attracted to a healthy adult of child bearing age and being attracted to someone who is so young they still need to be cared for by a parent. The natural thing is for parental instincts to kick in, not sexual impulses.

I agree with most of what you’ve said on this thread and have starred several of your posts. However, the above is incorrect. What instincts ‘kick in’ in a given situation is largely a matter of circumstances. Primate males have a well-documented (and evolutionarily justifiable) instinct to kill the offspring of their sexual partners by other males; human males share this instinct. Good thing it doesn’t ‘kick in’ very often, eh?

Which instinct comes to the fore in a given situation depends on many factors, and the situation is often very confused. A woman I know tells me that when she was about fourteen her father, who is an alcoholic, fondled her breast once when he thought she was sleeping. Apart from that one occasion, which he almost certainly does not remember, he never tried any funny business and their relationship today is as normal as any relationship with an alcoholic parent can be. She doesn’t hold his one lapse against him; and I think she is right.

Sexual behaviour is complex and driven by impulses that are deep, unpredictable and only at times amenable to conscious modulation. Judging and stigmatizing people for what lies outside their control is unjust. Paedophilia is a crime and should remain so, but we should not condemn paedophiles out of hand. There, but for the grace of circumstances, goes any of us.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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To the rest of you playing this dangerous game of holier-than-thou, I give solemn warning: the ‘train’ you are rushing so eagerly to board may indeed ‘run over a few sick monsters’ as the OP puts it, but it will run over many innocents also. And it will leap the rails in the end, carrying you all to perdition with it.

This is where I hate to agree, I absolutely loath to agree, but, I do.

Yesterday I read a MSM article about a man who's been raping children for over 20 years. 4 convictions and they're only now fitting him with an ankle bracelet and telling him to 'stay away from kids'. He's raped a 6 year old. Repeatedly.

So there's the conundrum.

I do NOT want to see children get 'chipped' from birth to 'save them from the ugly child rapist'.

I do NOT want to see any more of our rights taken (see Patriot Act, See 'Non Constitutional Zones) to 'save children from the ugly child rapist'.

I do NOT want to see any other form of control initiated over the public at large - to, you got it, save the kids.

That being said - What in the hell are we going to do to SAVE THE CHILDREN?

Here's the article I referred to.

Quincy plumber Michael Brundige faces a fourth case of rape and indecent assault against a child

peace


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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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There's a difference between being attracted to a healthy adult of child bearing age and being attracted to someone who is so young they still need to be cared for by a parent. The natural thing is for parental instincts to kick in, not sexual impulses.


I have seen much of that kind of people in my life. Those people are sick in their mind and can not control themselves. If we think they are born that way ( as lady Gaga , the new prophet says ) it will be a jungle on our planet and no one will be surviving unharmed.

I think those people should be trained by some centers , to teach them control their instinct. Those sick minds should be cured , just like how addicted people are cured in some clinics , they should be cured ,too.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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The answer may be to stop treating paedophilia as a moral issue and start treating it as what it really is: a medical issue for the paedophile and a social problem for the rest of us.

You may have heard or read of this famous case: Brain tumour causes uncontrollable paedophilia


The sudden and uncontrollable paedophilia exhibited by a 40-year-old man was caused by an egg-sized brain tumour, his doctors have told a scientific conference. And once the tumour had been removed, his sex-obsession disappeared...

Seven months after the tumour was removed, and after successfully completing the Sexaholics Anonymous program, the man returned home. In October 2001 he complained of headaches and secretly collected pornography once more. But after a MRI scan revealed tumour regrowth and it was removed, the behaviour again disappeared. – New Scientist, October 2002

Obviously, not all paedophiles have brain tumours. But this case shows clearly that there is, or can be, a neurological component to paedophilia.

What would be the point of punishing someone for acts he may not be able to control? It won’t stop him re-offending. It won’t undo the wrong he has done. All it will do is give satisfaction to those who lust after revenge, or ‘closure’ as it has come to be called in this hypocritical and euphemistic age.

Any law or policy based on hatred is wrong, no matter how deserving of obloquy the hated party may be.


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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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Could you possibly supply us with a list of which crimes other than murder are worse than child abuse and rape?
How would you feel if your child was abused sexually and the abuser received a minimal sentence?
Child abusers should be castrated as should rapists! And I know the argument that castration doesn't get rid of the urge but if they are castrated AND given life sentences with NO chance of parole what is the probability that that person would abuse or rape again?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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Sick indeed!
And how does being gay or lesbian come close to being a child abuser or rapist?



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Perfectly put!

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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The answer may be to stop treating paedophilia as a moral issue and start treating it as what it really is: a medical issue for the paedophile and a social problem for the rest of us.

Ok, so let's check them all for brain tumors and then put them away for life. Done deal.

Oh, and I’m sure it was just an oversight on your part that you didn’t include:


But neurologists Russell Swerdlow and Jeffrey Burns, of the University of Virginia at Charlottesville, believe it is the first reported case linking damage to the region with paedophilia.

That’s one. Out of how many? Millions if not more?

It’s absolutely ridiculous to sight a ‘brain tumor’ that happens to .000000001% of the population of people who rape children as a jumping off point to ‘accept the pedophiles for ‘who they are’ - average Joe’s just like you and me that have a physical or psychological problem.’

What hogwash.

Even suggesting paedophilia is not a 'moral issue' is an opinion I will never accept so no use wasting bandwidth trying to change that. That anyone could even suggest raping a child is not a moral issue is beyond me.

But your post goes a long way to reinforces what I was saying earlier.

More and more people are going to try to push the agenda that 'Pedophiles' who act on their impulses are in need of care and nurturing and medical attention and fluffy kittens and lollypops 'cause they might have a ‘brain tumor’ or because ‘it’ was ‘done to them as a child’ or because ‘daddy and mommy didn’t love them enough’.

Society has become so negligent and afraid to stand up for what’s right they’re ready to make any excuse to play patty-cake with offenders instead of taking the hard road of making damn sure convicted offenders never be allowed to effect society in a negative way again. I am not one of those people nor will I ever be. I have no problem standing up and saying a child rapist needs to be shot like a sick rabid animal. Is that renege? NO. It’s common sense - IMO. But, since we can’t do that? Incarceration for life in a prison like Mcneil Island Special Commitment Center is the only way to go.

Do I want our personal rights as a society in general dissolved to 'save the children'? No. But in the same respect I'll be damned if the morality of the county should go to hell either for 'accepting' Pedophiles as merely people with a little problem.

What’s needed? Much tougher laws against child rapists. And that has nothing to do with taking away ‘our rights’ to achieve the means to that end either.

peace



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Raelsatu
Hollywood may be a haven for pedophilia, but really it's pervasive globally. Take a look at the Catholic church, Luciferian agenda, Monarch programming monsters; it's some sort of perverted delicacy in wealthy-elite rings. They revel in sodomizing children and fragmenting their minds; has something to deal with innocence and the energy contained. I believe it's WAY worse than people really think; primarily because the most powerful people are the ones partaking, in secret. All of them deserve to suffer.


Most major organizations, secular or theist have a major pedophile problem. Look up the "Dancing boy's of Afghanistan", Or even the sexual abuses in Synagogues. Look up the abuse of male juvenile prisoners. Look up the abuse in the foster system. It is sadly far more common then most could handle to know.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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I don't even know how brain damage could turn someone into a pedophile. But I could see a closet pedophile+ brain damage becoming an active pedophile. Kind of like a strictly monogamous person get's some damage to the brain and they become more promiscuous. It shouldn't turn them into pedophiles. Or maybe I am failing to understand something.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Kind of like a strictly monogamous person get's some damage to the brain and they become more promiscuous. It shouldn't turn them into pedophiles. Or maybe I am failing to understand something.

I think you're understanding this spot on.
Fact is the article linked is only ONE report of such an incident happening. Does that rule out others, of course not. But one is only, just one.
Beyond that?
Who's to say the individual didn't have 'tendencies' before the 'tumor'?
Like you pointed out - it would reason an individuals basic sexual tendency would be (presumably) increased by said tumor, not perverted into something it was not to begin with.

Five star post you got there.

peace



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Stepping back into this thread, I'm having to laugh at the people who are still accusing me of starting and promoting a witch hunt. You couldn't be more wrong. This is a topic I keep my eye on and this thread is about my own observations in regards to the recent events where many paedos in several different arenas are getting ready to get theirs. If you don't like my observations, that's fine. You don't have to agree with the pattern I'm seeing and felt the need to report on. I'm happy for the windfall we're seeing. I'm ecstatic to see this crime and its criminals brought before the public. I'm cheering right beside every victim. I'm sorry you're not. If you're more worried about innocents getting tapped, you have a problem.

Let's have a come to reality session, shall we? All of us could be misidentified for committing a crime or even purposefully set up by someone. There's many people who have been convicted of rape sitting in prison who are actually innocent. Many people have been released due to DNA evidence. I'm happy to see these folks set free. Yes, their lives have been ruined and they've been traumatized, but does this mean that we need to stop talking about rape? Does this mean we should stop searching for criminals because we might get the wrong guy/girl? Not in my world.

I have to believe that we've been extra leanient and purposefully blinded towards child sex abuse because most of the powerful people who control our media and advertising have been catering to these types of monsters for years. Why? Because they are involved in these crimes or they know very wealthy people who are and want to keep their paycheck and/or skin intact.

Just check out Miley Cyrus' little sister's langerie line:
boingboing.net...

Is langerie even a necessary children's clothing line? Not in my world. I'm appalled at how the entertainment industry sexualizes children. Kids see this stuff and want to be "cool". This is a form of brainwashing. It's promoting the idea that young children should also be allowed/able to feel and look sexy. If you agree with this and see nothing wrong with it, I really have nothing left to say to you. In my world, it's disgusting to see young children wearing langerie and being photographed holding onto a stripper pole. It's just plain messed up especially when you put yourself in the photographer's shoes and wonder why he doesn't feel dirty just taking the pics. Probably because his paycheck is nice and/or he gets off on it.

Then, there's French Vogue magazine who keeps pushing the bar in regards to sexualizing children.
Here's a thread by SirClem:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sure, let's just keep giving the paedos more slack instead of promoting them as criminals who need to be outed. That's such a great idea.


Even if they do have a mental/medical disorder or are born deranged, are we going to give serial killers the same hall pass?
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