Paedophiles: The Iron Curtain is dropping

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Thanks for adding your personal story and reiterating how difficult it is to come forward. I'm glad to hear you were able to and also to see how the events effected your life. I hope your road to healing has gotten smoother with time.

Yes, it is strange how Hollywood and the powerful elite are infiltrating our thoughts and minds with their garbage. It's nice to see it blowing up in their faces.

reply to post by Maslo


OK , got it . And this is my idea.

I have lived with those people , scientists , they are not worthy to be trusted always.

They are like ordinary people. The only difference is that they have observed some piece of the nature.

1.They absolutely know more than ordinary people but it is not necessary to publish all they know. There are other facts that controls this choices.

2.Sometimes they look at some piece of picture and they don't have information about other pieces of the picture.

This is just my opinion.

reply to post by dbloch7986


The point I'm getting at is that child sexual abuse is the only crime that seems to be contagious to the victim. Most adult abusers admit that they were victims of sexual abuse themselves. Being mugged, or even raped as an adult, has never been known to make the victim turn around and commit the same crime.

I just feel that children who have testified may benefit from some counciling after testifying. I don't see how it would hurt. Plus, it may stop the merry-go-round we see with other abusers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky came out saying he was a victimized as a child.

reply to post by Raelsatu


Thank you for your insight.
I've always believed this to be true.
There has to be something to it that we have yet to comprehend.

reply to post by Afterthought


To me that seems a little convenient. Like an excuse for them almost.

It may be true that victimized children sometimes become the offender, however I don't think all offenders have been victimized, nor do I believe that all victims become offenders.

Its also true that children who were beaten sometimes grow up to beat others. sometimes they don't. Sometimes children who were not beaten become violent.

You can apply the same thought to violent video games.

I'm sure there are people here on ATS that were abused as children that did not go on to be abusive.

You can hardly make a blanket assumption. Another psychological principal at work here is people usually do what is expected of them. If you expect a child who was molested to be a molestor, he probably will. Cognitive dissonance is also at work here because even though nothing is wrong with the child, everyone is acting like there is, so there must be.

Those factors may have a more profound effect on him than the molestation that occurred.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by Afterthought

 

I don't think any treatment should be mandated for victims of any crime. I think less psychological damage would be done if the victim of a sex crime was treated just like the victim of any other crime instead of having their whole world turned upside down by those around them.

Since I never received treatment, I wouldn't know if it would have helped me or not, around age thirty I started experiencing panic attacks, there are many layers and only now that I reflect on my life can I see what caused many of my issues with trust,

I don't want to even go into the mess I made of my life, I never trusted people, always kept everyone at an arms length, only let a very few into my space, I see right through most people.

reply to post by Afterthought

Thanks for adding your personal story and reiterating how difficult it is to come forward.

You are welcome, there is a stigma attached to it, it is so very odd that a innocent four year old would realize this.

reply to post by dbloch7986

It may be true that victimized children sometimes become the offender, however I don't think all offenders have been victimized, nor do I believe that all victims become offenders.

I'm sorry if my comment came across sounding as though I believe that ALL victims become offenders and ALL offenders have been victimized. I don't view it this way at all. I'm just touching upon a known fact that some abused kids do end up becoming abusers. By no means am I saying all do. I just feel that it needs to be addressed and possibly studied more in order to put a stop to the cycle.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Did you ever tell anyone about what happened to you?

reply to post by Afterthought


I know you didn't mean all.

I was simply trying to put your statement in context. The fact that some victims go on to be offenders applies to every offense. Which supports my point that sex offenses should not be treated differently than any other offense.

Yeah, and the Justice Department doesn't give two #'s. Ever hear of Rilya Wilson? Look her up.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Did you ever tell anyone about what happened to you?

Not until I reached middle age, and it made me physically sick when I told, only two close friends know, and my daughters,

I don't think about it often, only this brings back the memories, I don't want to think about it, you learn self loathing.

I will be totally honest, I don't know what to call it, but I am severely depressed most the time and I hate, me.

And no matter how many times someone will tell me they love me, I don't believe it.

I did drugs, became an alcoholic, was promiscuous, yea all the things that go along with it, never abused anyone except myself, but I think women are less likely to become abusers.

Been sober for thirty years, yea it pretty much ruined my life, 56 years of hell.

sigh.

reply to post by hmdphantom


Ok, I also know scientists and I have never heard about some pressure to publish/not publish results from them.

Anyway, I dont need scientists to know that sexual attraction is not a choice. I have never chosen to be a heterosexual, it was an instinct. Or have you consciously chosen to be attracted to females?

I have no reason to believe it is different with homosexual sexuality, or any other attraction (even non-sexual ones).

reply to post by Stormdancer777


That sucks. That's the kind of thing I would like to prevent. There's a certain stigma attached to sex crimes that makes the victims feel dirty, a dirtiness that will never go away. I don't think it is necessary for them to feel that way. Its a case of correlation and causation. I don't think the dirty feeling stems from the crime itself, but more from the way society views it.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by hmdphantom

 

Ok, I also know scientists and I have never heard about some pressure to publish/not publish results from them.

Anyway, I dont need scientists to know that sexual attraction is not a choice. I have never chosen to be a heterosexual, it was an instinct. Or have you consciously chosen to be attracted to females?

I have no reason to believe it is different with homosexual sexuality.

There's a difference between being attracted to a healthy adult of child bearing age and being attracted to someone who is so young they still need to be cared for by a parent. The natural thing is for parental instincts to kick in, not sexual impulses.

Originally posted by silo13
Edit to Add: Carmed707 brought up a very good point and I stand corrected with thanks! * See below!

The problem is I think you're going to find you don't like how society deals with the issue.
*Sex crimes against children (originally read Pedophilia), in my book, is the worst crime going. Bar none.
That being said?
In this sick society where tourists travel overseas to third world nations to have sex with little children who are sold by their parents into slavery?
Where world leaders have 'bunga bunga' parties with little girls?
Where MOTHERS dress up their 3 year olds like whores for 'Toddlers and Tiaras'?
Where little girls can't even walk to get a soda without being raped and killed and thrown in a dumpster!
(See this article = Body found in search for missing Ga. girl)

No, I don't see any of this changing for the good.

We've already got Man Boy Love groups in the Western World, and Woman Girl etc. Gawd...
No, I believe what's coming is we're going to see a twist being put on the issue and it will become more acceptable - not wiped out as it should be.

Sorry, I've got no hope Western society is going to stand up and do what's right with this issue, I just don't.
Nope, instead of fighting it, they'll embrace it. As sick as it is, they'll give in.
Just you watch.

peace

edit on 5-12-2011 by silo13 because: Correction on termanology with thanks to Charmed707

I agree, at the rate we are going all of these cases, as horrible as they are, are being splashed across the tv/Internet by media who have an agenda other than just reporting the headlines.....when did the very private, personal anguish of a child being harmed become accepted information for society at large?

Why is the media pushing all of this child sexual abuse? Is it in order to desensitize us to it? If we just see it enough, eventually we will breakdown and learn to accept it, if it gets pushed in our faces enough? Do we really need to know about this? I mean, let me be informed to a degree, but child sex abuse cases that the media reports are often so sensationalized it is almost pornographic in and of itself........

You speak of a twist being put on the issue....... I guess it will not be long before adults start coming forward who will say they were molested as kids, but it did them no harm, in fact they enjoyed having an older person "take them under their wing" and care for them.....that what they experienced was nothing bad, and it was not until they realized that society said it was wrong, that they felt dirty or harmed in anyway by the adult/child sex act.....

This topic was raised in a class I took once.....it is often used by paedophiles to excuse their behavior..... I am waiting for the media to begin spinning this argument.....you will know when a boy comes forward in the Sandusky case and defends Sandusky or if something of this nature happens in a future high profile child sex abuse case.....

Then, it will be obivous that our society has shifted in that direction and it will be the end of us as a morality based society. Whether this happens next week or in 40 years I cannot say....but it is already moving in that direction....the signs are everywhere in our culture I am afraid.....

Where world leaders have 'bunga bunga' parties with little girls?

You're going to have to enlighten me on that one.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

That sucks. That's the kind of thing I would like to prevent. There's a certain stigma attached to sex crimes that makes the victims feel dirty, a dirtiness that will never go away. I don't think it is necessary for them to feel that way. Its a case of correlation and causation. I don't think the dirty feeling stems from the crime itself, but more from the way society views it.

Yea, help me figure it out, how does a four year old blame herself, that's insane, I didn't even know what was happening,

I am good though, I am survivor, then we put ourselves in dangerous situations, some women become prostitutes, how does that make sense,

What do you think?

Originally posted by cpay970

Where world leaders have 'bunga bunga' parties with little girls?

You're going to have to enlighten me on that one.

Me too I have no idea what that is all about.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Well to be honest, I don't want to get into it to deep with you because I dunt know if you want to share it here. My personal opinion though is that there is much more at work here than the abuse alone. I know several people who were victims of childhood sexual abuse and they did not turn into prostitutes, drug users or the like. They all have good jobs, and normal relationships by most standards. One of them has a husband and five kids. She was molested by her father. Another girl I know was raped by her father and she is a succesful business woman. She is a bit on the slutty side but so am I and I wasn't abused.

Different people respond differently to situations.

As far as you blaming yourself, kids tend to blame themselves for lots of things. IT could also have to do with what your attacker told you.

I don't mean to sound cold or callous. I am just trying to be honest and straight forward.