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Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by silo13
Why? It seems real clear that losing 3000 is a lot worse than losing 100 on a plane. Sorry, but it comes down to protecting the greatest number of people. It is a sickening decision to have to make. However, it is one that is some times necessary.
I do not believe the official story. I believe that either government negligence or compliance was involved in 9-11. I however would support shooting down a plane before it reached a highly urbanized area like Washington, D.C. That is in this specific instance.
At least two planes had already been used as missiles. Other planes were being ordered out of the air. Any plane that was hijacked and headed to Washington had to be assumed to be a threat.
This video makes it sound like he gave the order to shoot down a plane if necessary. It doesn't really say that anyone did shoot down a plane.
Every human being of a certain maturity have been told over and over again that "you shall not kill".
Every human being of a certain maturity have been told over and over again to "follow the Golden Rule".
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by djeminy
Every human being of a certain maturity have been told over and over again that "you shall not kill".
Killing out of malice is wrong. When it comes down to chosing between 100 people on a plane, or the thousands people in the capital building on a given day, the thousands win. Sorry, but I would not sacrifice thousands of people. By not issuing the order to shoot down a plane that was hijacked and a viable threat they would have been sacrificing thousands of extra lives.
It would be hard to live with the fact that 100 people died because of a direct order. However, it would be harder to live with thousands dead because of the failure to give the order.
Every human being of a certain maturity have been told over and over again to "follow the Golden Rule".
Yep, and if I was on that plane I would want it shot down, if necessary. I understand that my single life is not worth more than 100 or 1,000 other lives.
I guess I should have read your whole post before trying to respond. I thought it was actually about me. It turns out you just used me as a spring board for an "I hate America" rant. So, our discussion - if there was one - is over.edit on 6-12-2011 by MikeNice81 because: (no reason given)edit on 6-12-2011 by MikeNice81 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by samkent
As to the plane that hit the Pentagon:
The distance between Reagan and the Pentagon is 1 mile. It appeared to all that it was going to land at Reagan airport with radio problems. As far as I know other planes landed there as per orders. So should they have shot down all the other planes landing at Reagan?
As to flight 93:
Passenger plane vs no plane.
Unload passengers at Cleveland vs shot down vs forced crash.
The conspiracy theories have far more inconsistencies than the truth.
Until the truthers can come up with ONE consistent theory that covers ALL aspects of 911 it will remain nothing more that website fodder.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by djeminy
So, let us put your perspective out there as plainly as possible.
It is better for two men to be allowed to kill thousands than for a person to issue the order to kill the 100 on the plane. Do I have your position correct?
How do you avoid taking responsibility for the thousands on the ground that would die because you fail to give the order. In other words, by not issuing the order aren't you equally responsible for the death of thousands. If it is in your power to stop it and you don't are not merely an accesory to the actions of the pilots?
I am not a robot, I just understand that sometimes all we can hope to do is minimize the pain and destruction. It is easy to hide behind a slogan. It is harder to deal with reality.
I don't like watching movies much anymore. I dislike how easily they can influence most in
any which way/direction the producers/directors/financiers/actors choose.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by djeminy
Either you didn't read my initial post or you are being intentionaly dense. I said that, in the particular case where two planes had already hit the towers and a third had hit the Pentagon I would give the order. That is what he is saying he did in the interview.
Why you are going all the way back to before anything had occurred is beyond me.
Please pay attention instead of trying to slander and attack someone.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. . . .
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference."
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by djeminy
I won't cash in my fangs. I will use them if my fellow man needs me.