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Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart
Then why haven't these findings been published? I see you are now resorting to attacking individuals credibility as well as the journals, rather than the information contained within them. Also, do you have any proof of them being paid, as you claim? If their findings are wrong, then publish a scientific journal to be reviewed, which anyone is yet to do, period.
That may sound fine and dandy to you, but I don't know where to get dust samples, a lab to analyze them in, and a degree to give myself credibility as I attempt to publish my paper. Someone else already did it, but I bet you forgot about them or ignored them.
This seems to sum up most of the analysis done on the dust:
Finally, the scientists did not broach the issue of whether the dust showed evidence of explosive residues. Their report does not appear to have sufficient detail to use it as a basis for drawing any conclusions about the question of explosives. All their disclosures of the dust composition are partial, addressing questions about the levels of heavy metals and toxic hydrocarbons, but failing to provide even complete compositional analysis of elements.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
You are speaking a GENERIC sense about "most people or some people."
I'm talking about Cheney, Silverstein, a few Bush family members, head of NORAD, head of security at the FAA, about a dozen people from Controlled Demolitions inc., who MIGHT have worked as security guards at Marvin Bush's WTC Security for a few months prepping the building.
Then we've got the bag man who delivered the cash -- someone like Abramoff of the "Duke Stir" fame.
We've got maybe a few key people pushing strings in the media to control the propaganda.
Maybe a few people at the FBI vetoing investigations
So I'd say; about 2 dozen people. The rest are just everyday people doing their compartmentalized job and not knowing the bigger picture. happens all the time at the CIA and Pentagon.
>> And how can you say NO WHISTLEBLOWERS? I've read of many 'suspicious suicides' and we've got a few murders. Just google "whistleblower dies mysterious".
Energy Balance Calculation To illustrate this, here is a simple calculation.
The central core of the World Trade Center consisted of 47 regular steel box columns. These measured 36 by 90 centimeters and had a wall thickness of 10cms at the base, tapering to 6cms at the top (400 meters above).
There were also 236 smaller exterior steel columns which we will not consider.
• The total volumes of steel is 7,874 kgm cubed.
• Therefore the mass of steel in the central column is:
• 3333.8 x 7,874 = 26,290 tons.
• The specific heat capacity for steel is 470J/kg.K
Therefore the amount of thermal energy that would be required to raise this amount of steel to 800 degrees Centigrade from room temperature to soften it so that it might lose structural rigidity (which is extremely unlikely in any event) would be: • (800 - 25) C x 470K/kg. C x 26,290,000kg = 9.6 x 10 12 J
The amount of thermal energy available from the 10,000 gallons of JetA in the alleged B767 aircraft is calculated as appears on the following page.
• The heat of combustion of JetA is 42.8 MJ/kg.
• JetA has a mass of 6.75 lb/USG or 3.07kg/USG. • (10,000 x 3.07)kg x 42.8 MJ = 1.3 x 1 0 12 J
This is only 13% of the energy required to soften the steel of the central core columns, even assuming an impossible 100% efficiency of heat transfer from fuel to steel. In reality, the efficiency of transfer would be very low – a few percent at best.
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
Sure, he received more than 1.2 billion. But he did not receive anywhere near the amount needed to rebuild the complex. To say he benefitted from the attack does not bear any basis in reality. And Marvin Bush got rid of every single, solitary piece of stock holding him to that company. That's a public record.
And the asbestos issue....the majority of the work was going to be in WTC 1. They were about thirty stories into the construction of WTC 2 when they stopped using the asbestos fireproofing. And two hundred million.......was three-four months of revenue.......edit on 6-12-2011 by vipertech0596 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by septic
Sure seems to be a lot of sheetrock and fireproofing dust for the top third of the building. This is where the top portion commits hari kari:
edit on 6-12-2011 by septic because: (no reason given)
Yes. Every steel member was layered in thick, powdery fireproofing. Every floor had sheetrock and concrete. Since the upper section was 20-30 floors of this stuff, that is not a surprising amount of dust.
I mean, I could search my university's scholarly database as well, if you want. It's not like all these people who worked out the math in the collapse were just crazy nutjobs, right?