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What if life on other planets all ready exist

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posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Hello everyone,

I read this article a few day ago www.messagetoeagle.com...

It took about 3.9 billion years to reach Earth .


Stars are millions and millions of kilometers away. To see a star, that star's light must travel across space to our eyes. If the star is 5 light years away, then the light we are seeing from that star took five years to travel to our eyes. It also means that what we see happening at that star is actually what happened five years ago, not what is happening at the star right now.


Now look at our closet neighbor that we see in the night sky:

Andromeda galaxy : The Andromeda Galaxy spiral galaxy approximately 2.5 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Andromeda = What we see now is what happened 2.5 million years ago.

Pleiades Constellation: The Pleiades group is an open star cluster in the constellation of Taurus, existing approximately [400 to] 500 light years from Earth = 500 years for light to reach Earth

Well some of us weren't here or mostly all of us, our ancestors yes, but not us. For Pleiades what we see now happened all ready 500 years ago. This constellation is a constellation we should all look at it, it may have clues. 500 years is not a lot compared to 2.5 million years for Andromeda. Life may exist now probably in the Andromeda galaxy or maybe other galaxies, but it takes years for the light to reach us. In order to see what is going around Andromeda galaxy today, we have to wait 2.5 million years because that how much time it will take for the light to reach Earth. Also same thing for Andromeda, if they have human species and are also searching for humanity in other world, if they look at Earth, they will see Earth as 2.5 million years ago, not present. Life exist, but we will have to wait and be patient until the light reaches us and gives us clues.




posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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" Life exist, but we will have to wait and be patient until the light reaches us and gives us clues. "


or we build ships that can travel close to the speed of light ? or exploit "worm holes"


We know we have to wait because we don't have the tech yet

We know life has to exist out their because of the drake equation

Its all maybes and if's we know this heance our trillion dollars worth of space exploration to find a glimpse of it .


We know buddy.... were just waiting for the tech to catch up to our ideas



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Define "life".



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
We know life has to exist out their because of the drake equation


Pseudoscience. There can be no ratios to even plug into the equation for the factors of how many planets "evolve life", how many of these "intelligence", and how many of those "civilisation", before a sample of such planets are actually discovered, rendering the equation redundant for your purposes. And even then there is no mechanical theory by which one would be justified in making such statistical inferences for the entire universe based upon a tiny sample of its solar systems. More to the point, we know of only one such planet, and so to assume any ratio other than 1/x, where x is the number of "inhabitable" planets in the universe, is to presuppose what the equation is supposed to prove! As such it proves absolutely nothing except the immense stupidity of people like you who tout it as proving anything else!
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posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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I have no doubt there is life on planets, that may include earthling human beings. I think we are still 100-300 years away from having the technology to travel the universe to find out.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Anything we can't agree with turns into pusdeoscience . Kinda like evolution , and origins for some people.


The drake equation is not an extact science its a generalized one . To give us a minimum figure of how many planets that could support life like earth .


No need to get all testy about it =p Unless you believe the whole universe was created just for us humans here on earth ?

If thats the case then anything would be psudeoscience


Don't get so emotional over such a small equation that gives us bare minimums




posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by PoeteMaudit

Originally posted by yourboycal2
We know life has to exist out their because of the drake equation


Pseudoscience. There can be no ratios to even plug into the equation for the factors of how many planets "evolve life", how many of these "intelligence", and how many of those "civilisation", before a sample of such planets are actually discovered, rendering the equation redundant for your purposes. And even then there is no mechanical theory by which one would be justified in making such statistical inferences for the entire universe based upon a tiny sample of its solar systems. More to the point, we know of only one such planet, and so to assume any ratio other than 1/x, where x is the number of "inhabitable" planets in the universe, is to presuppose what the equation is supposed to prove! As such it proves absolutely nothing except the immense stupidity of people like you who tout it as proving anything else!
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Wow! You seem pretty sure of yourself. Care to enlighten us instead of just calling people stupid? Everyone understands the limitations of this equation and nobody accepts it to produce any kind of exact number of 'civilisation' [civilizations] out there. It is meant to examine probabilities.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2



or we build ships that can travel close to the speed of light ?


If we built such ships to reach andromeda, travelling at close to light speed, would take longer than 2.5million years to arrive and land on their White House lawn.

That leaves wormholes... Not in our lifetime!!



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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they would also have to wait and be patient until our light reached them and gave them clues. Right?... So how exactly does the light from a star indicate whether life exists within one of these galaxys?


 
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posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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What if all planets will pre-space exploring civilizations are cloaked by more advanced civilizations to follow "the prime directive"?

Until I know their true intentions, I would do this to every planet I find.

Also, since gravity affects time and light, what we see at 2.5 million light years might actually take us a lot less then that if we do go at light speed in a ship that isn't affected by gravity.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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It will, it does and we may discover in the near future!!

If it does then great! Hopefully it will kill the religion virus that plagues our planet and its peoples and has done so for far too long already!

People on earth will only be able to live together peacefully when religions are declared an ICC crime!!!!

Faith is a false prophet and no reason to justify sick, inhuman, anti empathic, crutch dependent exploitation and control of the masses!!

People of earth, awaken from your shackles and brainwashing and find your true selves and be at greater harmony with your fellow man!!!!



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Are you mad?



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by PoeteMaudit
 

The drake equation is not an extact science its a generalized one . To give us a minimum figure of how many planets that could support life like earth .


It doesn't give us anything of the sort. And you are the one who claimed that "we know life has to exist out their" because of it - a patently false assertion.


No need to get all testy about it =p Unless you believe the whole universe was created just for us humans here on earth ?


Where did I suggest such a thing?



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Think about it the stars or galaxies we are interested in are millions to hundred light years away. Example Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away, When you look at the sky and see Andromeda, your looking at something that happened 2.5 million years back. Imagine after 2.5 million you look at Andromeda you will be able to find life existence.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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What exactly would change about the light that would indicate the existence of life?


 
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posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by strafgod
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What exactly would change about the light that would indicate the existence of life?


 
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Since elements give off different wavelengths, anyone looking at our planet (for example) from many light years away may hypothesize that some self-destructing life may exist here because of the unusually high CO2, CO etc. and depleted O3 levels etc.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Unless you have observed that planet for sometime you could just assume the CO2 level is normally high..


 
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posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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answer me to questions, when did humanity came into existence on Earth?

Or when did adam and eve arrived?

I am searching the web for it , but i get 6000 years and some say 200,000 years, but it doesen't even come close to 2.5 million years . Lets say if humanity existence was in Andromeda, if they are looking at Earth they will probably see dinosaurs or animal ,no humans. They will see us in like 2 million years when light reaches their home planets. I am not saying humanity surely exist there, but its a great possibility that humanity is there and been there for years. The light just have to reach us.



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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news.yahoo.com...


NASA's planet-hunting Kepler spacecraft has confirmed the discovery of its first alien world in its host star's habitable zone — that just-right range of distances that could allow liquid water to exist — and found more than 1,000 new explanet candidates, researchers announced today (Dec. 5).



posted on Dec, 5 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Dinosaurs do not emit light neither do animals or humans XD... You havent answered my question but what I think your trying to get at is our technology as an indicator of our existence? Im not even gonna guess the answers to your two questions, I dont know em.

Here is something for you to ponder, what if life has existed within one of those galaxies well before 2.5 million years ago. What prevents us from discovering their existence with what we see today?


 
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