glad we're finally reaching a consensus regarding 'pics or it didnt happen' though. it's a step in the right direction for sure
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reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 07:13 AM by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Visiting ESB
How can asking for pics to support an unbelievable story be 'ignorant'? The so called UFO community is jam packed full of attention seekers ,hoaxers and people who want to belive in aliens so badly that they dont bother to check for evidence and so get constantly fooled. People who dont go looking for as much evidence as they can harm the search for understanding as much as the hoaxers.
Ufology is the search for understanding of what people claim to see in the sky that is not explainable. There is not much to examine when all we have is a story. Without good evidence a critical investigation is almost impossible.
What is ignorant is when someone claims to have seen something with absolutely no evidence and then says "prove it didnt happen" or i "challenge to to debunk this". The motto is this website is deny ignorance not encourage ambiguity.
How can asking for pics to support an unbelievable story be 'ignorant'? The so called UFO community is jam packed full of attention seekers ,hoaxers and people who want to belive in aliens so badly that they dont bother to check for evidence and so get constantly fooled. People who dont go looking for as much evidence as they can harm the search for understanding as much as the hoaxers.
Ufology is the search for understanding of what people claim to see in the sky that is not explainable. There is not much to examine when all we have is a story. Without good evidence a critical investigation is almost impossible.
What is ignorant is when someone claims to have seen something with absolutely no evidence and then says "prove it didnt happen" or i "challenge to to debunk this". The motto is this website is deny ignorance not encourage ambiguity.
edit on 5-12-2011 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 08:38 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Visiting ESB
Starred.
Pics or it didn't happen is a form of cyber bullying now dominating on ATS by a lot of the younger members.
There are also those who are tired of all the outrageous claims made by disinformation agents, insane loonies, juvenile mentalities wanting / needing attention etc.
As stated in my previous posts, ATS has changed over the four years I've been signed up and two years I lurked. The quality of the threads, the mentality and maturity of the people, in my opinion have gone drastically down hill.
Not all, some of the posts and some of the members are still some of the most awakened and informed people on the planet - but too many have come aboard and allowed to shut down OPs that could have possibly really led us somewhere.
I have had some amazing moments in my life (no, no spaceship rides to Venus or little greys thank God) where I did not have a camera (and my cell phone is the old kind with no camera - just don't use my cell).
Also, when we are dealing with the modern equipment available to the common man - it's for our 3d world.
Perchance 3d equipment doesn't work concerning other dimensions, or things happen so fast, picture taking is the last thing on a shocked person's mind.
That being said. Yes, yes and yes, so many lies, misinformation, outrageous claims - but, you never know who is reading this, who is posting on this and the timid person being shut down & bullied, really might have had a piece to the puzzle that might have answered some of our questions if we had but listened.
I wish people were a little kinder, a little more patient, a little more open minded on ATS.
Usually if I come across a post I feel I can't contribute too or really dislike, I quietly move on..............one example is religion - those that are very deeply religious are not going to really be open to discussion, it's a core belief and core beliefs in most adults are almost impossible to change.
I do tend to get over the edge with children and animal abuse, sorry can't keep my mouth shut there.
UFO's, David Icke, the alien presence on our planet......I pretty much keep quiet about because of the trolling and cyber bullying.
I've only seen one UFO and it was really really far up in the night sky. It was a little bigger than this period. But, it was way back in the late 60's, it's maneuvering ability and speed left my brother in law (who worked at McDonald Douglas and was a expert when it came to knowing his airplanes and jets) left little room for this (whatever it was) to be anything but human technology and he was a non believer. Go through my posts I did describe the incident that happened when I was around 11.
That being said, at this point, I don't care if some reptilian took me aboard a craft, gave me a ride to Uranus, there is no way I would tell any of you here on ATS or anyone. I feel for anyone that has had a real experience.
And that is the point, the one person who may very well have had a real experience might just be lurking out there quietly and not going to give us a piece of that puzzle because of all the liars, loonies, attention seekers and cyber bullies.
To discuss is one thing, to politely ask questions, but to ridicule, debase and offer these cute, short little witty sarcastic remarks have me visiting ATS less and less. I am finding other sites that now give me more information and people that have more honor and heart than here lately on ATS.
The flavor has changed.
I also believe and I know I'm repeating this.............ATS is the biggest conspiracy site on the web. Above Top Secret gets more hits per day, per hour than any other conspiracy site - people know something isn't right, something is a miss, but they can't figure out what.
The governments and those who really run them, those that are really at the top of the pyramid know that to influence people, you must infiltrate the common man's news source. People have grown tired of the news offered on TV and in our newspapers that are mostly trite or propaganda with agenda spins...........so they are coming en masse to the conspiracy sites and ATS is the largest one currently.
Proof, it's all around you, no pictures necessary.
The same bloodlines have been ruling over us throughout our recorded history.............simply do the research.
Most people I wager that are the chief debunkers don't really do long, profound and deep research. That is the key, you want proof - read, don't expect others to do the work for you.
The proof is all around you, no pictures necessary, simply put aside your many distractions and begin to read every book you can get your hands on concerning conspiracies and study the many videos out there.
Many of the newer people coming onto ATS are closed minded, proud of heart, brain washed and blind & no amount of "pictures" would convince them anyway, they would utter "fake" anyway........no amount of proof can reach a sleeper in the Matrix.
"Pics or it didn't happen"
Starred.
Pics or it didn't happen is a form of cyber bullying now dominating on ATS by a lot of the younger members.
There are also those who are tired of all the outrageous claims made by disinformation agents, insane loonies, juvenile mentalities wanting / needing attention etc.
As stated in my previous posts, ATS has changed over the four years I've been signed up and two years I lurked. The quality of the threads, the mentality and maturity of the people, in my opinion have gone drastically down hill.
Not all, some of the posts and some of the members are still some of the most awakened and informed people on the planet - but too many have come aboard and allowed to shut down OPs that could have possibly really led us somewhere.
I have had some amazing moments in my life (no, no spaceship rides to Venus or little greys thank God) where I did not have a camera (and my cell phone is the old kind with no camera - just don't use my cell).
Also, when we are dealing with the modern equipment available to the common man - it's for our 3d world.
Perchance 3d equipment doesn't work concerning other dimensions, or things happen so fast, picture taking is the last thing on a shocked person's mind.
That being said. Yes, yes and yes, so many lies, misinformation, outrageous claims - but, you never know who is reading this, who is posting on this and the timid person being shut down & bullied, really might have had a piece to the puzzle that might have answered some of our questions if we had but listened.
I wish people were a little kinder, a little more patient, a little more open minded on ATS.
Usually if I come across a post I feel I can't contribute too or really dislike, I quietly move on..............one example is religion - those that are very deeply religious are not going to really be open to discussion, it's a core belief and core beliefs in most adults are almost impossible to change.
I do tend to get over the edge with children and animal abuse, sorry can't keep my mouth shut there.
UFO's, David Icke, the alien presence on our planet......I pretty much keep quiet about because of the trolling and cyber bullying.
I've only seen one UFO and it was really really far up in the night sky. It was a little bigger than this period. But, it was way back in the late 60's, it's maneuvering ability and speed left my brother in law (who worked at McDonald Douglas and was a expert when it came to knowing his airplanes and jets) left little room for this (whatever it was) to be anything but human technology and he was a non believer. Go through my posts I did describe the incident that happened when I was around 11.
That being said, at this point, I don't care if some reptilian took me aboard a craft, gave me a ride to Uranus, there is no way I would tell any of you here on ATS or anyone. I feel for anyone that has had a real experience.
And that is the point, the one person who may very well have had a real experience might just be lurking out there quietly and not going to give us a piece of that puzzle because of all the liars, loonies, attention seekers and cyber bullies.
To discuss is one thing, to politely ask questions, but to ridicule, debase and offer these cute, short little witty sarcastic remarks have me visiting ATS less and less. I am finding other sites that now give me more information and people that have more honor and heart than here lately on ATS.
The flavor has changed.
I also believe and I know I'm repeating this.............ATS is the biggest conspiracy site on the web. Above Top Secret gets more hits per day, per hour than any other conspiracy site - people know something isn't right, something is a miss, but they can't figure out what.
The governments and those who really run them, those that are really at the top of the pyramid know that to influence people, you must infiltrate the common man's news source. People have grown tired of the news offered on TV and in our newspapers that are mostly trite or propaganda with agenda spins...........so they are coming en masse to the conspiracy sites and ATS is the largest one currently.
Proof, it's all around you, no pictures necessary.
The same bloodlines have been ruling over us throughout our recorded history.............simply do the research.
Most people I wager that are the chief debunkers don't really do long, profound and deep research. That is the key, you want proof - read, don't expect others to do the work for you.
The proof is all around you, no pictures necessary, simply put aside your many distractions and begin to read every book you can get your hands on concerning conspiracies and study the many videos out there.
Many of the newer people coming onto ATS are closed minded, proud of heart, brain washed and blind & no amount of "pictures" would convince them anyway, they would utter "fake" anyway........no amount of proof can reach a sleeper in the Matrix.
edit on 5-12-2011 by ofhumandescent
because: grammar
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 09:00 AM by ShadowAngel85
reply to post by butcherguy
Agreed.
It would be ignorant to just believe every story without further proof and isn't the motto of this site 'deny ignorance'?
Pictures are mandatory. I mean, we don't live in the 80's anymore, every mobile phone has a camera and i think by now everyone owns a mobile phone with a built camera. Even i do, my mobiles phone is 5 years old, i use it rarely but if saw something weird in the sky or elswhere, i would grab it and make pictures. So, there's no excuse for not having pictures.
As butcherguy said, every idiot can join here and tell a fake story just to troll or have a good laugh.
If i say "Whoa, i saw Jesus last night in my garden, he was taking a swim in my pool' would somebody believe it? No...same as the 'i saw a ufo' or the 'Ufo Armada over Netherlands' thing that was started yesterday here.
Agreed.
It would be ignorant to just believe every story without further proof and isn't the motto of this site 'deny ignorance'?
Pictures are mandatory. I mean, we don't live in the 80's anymore, every mobile phone has a camera and i think by now everyone owns a mobile phone with a built camera. Even i do, my mobiles phone is 5 years old, i use it rarely but if saw something weird in the sky or elswhere, i would grab it and make pictures. So, there's no excuse for not having pictures.
As butcherguy said, every idiot can join here and tell a fake story just to troll or have a good laugh.
If i say "Whoa, i saw Jesus last night in my garden, he was taking a swim in my pool' would somebody believe it? No...same as the 'i saw a ufo' or the 'Ufo Armada over Netherlands' thing that was started yesterday here.
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 09:12 AM by tpg65
reply to post by ShadowAngel85
So you think it is easy to capture high speed images on your cellphone at night ?
Ok , try this at night
1) leave your cellphone in your pocket .
2) choose an approaching car to photograph
3) remove your cellphone from your pocket and set it up to take a picture.
4) Focus on the car and take your pic .
I wager the following will happen .
1) the car passed before you could get a single exposure .
2) The image is so poor that if you showed it to friends and ask them what the picture is of , they won't be able to tell you .
Now Imagine doing the same exercise with a fast moving object in the night sky ????
Still think capturing a decent pic of a high speed object at night is easy ???
So you think it is easy to capture high speed images on your cellphone at night ?
Ok , try this at night
1) leave your cellphone in your pocket .
2) choose an approaching car to photograph
3) remove your cellphone from your pocket and set it up to take a picture.
4) Focus on the car and take your pic .
I wager the following will happen .
1) the car passed before you could get a single exposure .
2) The image is so poor that if you showed it to friends and ask them what the picture is of , they won't be able to tell you .
Now Imagine doing the same exercise with a fast moving object in the night sky ????
Still think capturing a decent pic of a high speed object at night is easy ???
edit on 29/05/2011 by tpg65 because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 09:22 AM by ypperst
reply to post by Visiting ESB
Thank you so much :-)
You can't really tell it any better.
Lets make a little scenario:
A average person, with family, job, husband/wife and what-ever, are watching something extraordinary happening, she/he is very touched by the moment.
Now, why would she/he even take a picture?
And if she/he takes a picture, what should that person make with it? Tell to friends? Yaay. . .
Thank you so much :-)
You can't really tell it any better.
Lets make a little scenario:
A average person, with family, job, husband/wife and what-ever, are watching something extraordinary happening, she/he is very touched by the moment.
Now, why would she/he even take a picture?
And if she/he takes a picture, what should that person make with it? Tell to friends? Yaay. . .
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 09:48 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by butcherguy
Starred and I absolutely agree with you. That is why it is so very important to begin or continue to research, to read every single book you can get your hands on concerning whatever conspiracy topic piques your interest.
I do agree it is important to not become gullible but to try to keep an open mind, and be kind.
One thing to consider, 500 years ago if you were to tell the common person that man would be able to fly in big silver birds, one could simply go to the bathroom and simply flush "it" away, we could talk in a little box the size of a deck of playing cards to another person on the other side of the planet, that the earth was not the center of the universe, that ships would not drop off the end of the known earth................you would have been labeled a "nut job".
What truths are we going to find in the next 500 years if we don't destroy ourselves first?
I'm getting into quantum physics (simple, basic, 101 for the common person because I'm not a wiz by any means) and just the stuff mainstream scientists are acknowledging recently is mind blowing.
Any nut-job in the world with internet access can join up and post whatever made up story they want to, I hope that we can agree that this is true.
Starred and I absolutely agree with you. That is why it is so very important to begin or continue to research, to read every single book you can get your hands on concerning whatever conspiracy topic piques your interest.
I do agree it is important to not become gullible but to try to keep an open mind, and be kind.
One thing to consider, 500 years ago if you were to tell the common person that man would be able to fly in big silver birds, one could simply go to the bathroom and simply flush "it" away, we could talk in a little box the size of a deck of playing cards to another person on the other side of the planet, that the earth was not the center of the universe, that ships would not drop off the end of the known earth................you would have been labeled a "nut job".
What truths are we going to find in the next 500 years if we don't destroy ourselves first?
I'm getting into quantum physics (simple, basic, 101 for the common person because I'm not a wiz by any means) and just the stuff mainstream scientists are acknowledging recently is mind blowing.
edit on 5-12-2011 by ofhumandescent because: grammar
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 10:08 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Okandetre
Very good reply and suggestion
A few years back, there was more in depth discussion vs short, cute little witty remarks that added nothing to the discussion.
And again, with "pictures" our technology based equipment is designed for a 3d universe.
We even now have in our military (2011) technology that can partially cloak objects / people.
What do we have technology wise we are not being told about for security reasons. Remember, the common person is only aware of the technology our governments release to us and not the "newer stuff".......some of our technology we have right now the majority of us will not be made aware of for about 40 years.
And with pictures, we now have holographs and with some of the Hollywood movie technology, you couldn't even trust what your 3d eyes are seeing.
Humans are so limited with our eyes..............a eagle can see 1,000 X's better than us, a bear can smell 1,000,000 X's better than us, a shark can feel your heart beating a mile away. Even on our own planet, our species (our eyes as an example) are limited.
I was once told, believe 1/2 of what you see and nothing of what you hear from a man that within one minute went from "ha ha little green men from Mars concept" to seeing a UFO (way high up, not close up) changiing over to "What the hell".............grabbing us and our blanket we used for star gazing and running us into the house turning off all the lights. This man was a top debunker of all things paranormal - just took him one sighting to come to the realization that just maybe we are not alone.
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Very good reply and suggestion
A few years back, there was more in depth discussion vs short, cute little witty remarks that added nothing to the discussion.
And again, with "pictures" our technology based equipment is designed for a 3d universe.
We even now have in our military (2011) technology that can partially cloak objects / people.
What do we have technology wise we are not being told about for security reasons. Remember, the common person is only aware of the technology our governments release to us and not the "newer stuff".......some of our technology we have right now the majority of us will not be made aware of for about 40 years.
And with pictures, we now have holographs and with some of the Hollywood movie technology, you couldn't even trust what your 3d eyes are seeing.
Humans are so limited with our eyes..............a eagle can see 1,000 X's better than us, a bear can smell 1,000,000 X's better than us, a shark can feel your heart beating a mile away. Even on our own planet, our species (our eyes as an example) are limited.
I was once told, believe 1/2 of what you see and nothing of what you hear from a man that within one minute went from "ha ha little green men from Mars concept" to seeing a UFO (way high up, not close up) changiing over to "What the hell".............grabbing us and our blanket we used for star gazing and running us into the house turning off all the lights. This man was a top debunker of all things paranormal - just took him one sighting to come to the realization that just maybe we are not alone.
7th post down
www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 5-12-2011 by ofhumandescent because: grammar
reply posted on 5-12-2011 @ 10:17 AM by butcherguy
reply to post by ofhumandescent
That was a very good post, and an attitude that should be embraced by all here.
Most members are nice about things like that. I admit to have questioned poster sanity on two different occasions, but I wasn't the only one, and I wasn't mean about it. I did sincerely care about the person's well-being.
Star on your post.
That was a very good post, and an attitude that should be embraced by all here.
Most members are nice about things like that. I admit to have questioned poster sanity on two different occasions, but I wasn't the only one, and I wasn't mean about it. I did sincerely care about the person's well-being.
Star on your post.
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