Sorry babe, but you do have a penis....... [WTB]

My diagnosis, bad profiling by a purple beluga.
Its not because society told me every woman is crazy that i automatically believe it.
I\'ve made my own critical thinking on this one.
I know exactly how weird and loving a woman can be and i know how weak and loving a man can be.
Somebody gave me eyes so i could see. If she wanted to look like supper nanny maybe she could have waited around or take photos of you insted, you would have probably never noticed.
Now, why its too hard for women in general to believe a men can be a good legitimate loving men?
To let some one else insted of the TV dictate your thought process.
I know theres some women out there who knows how good a men can be but your usualy the quiet one, who laugh alot about girls problems at the restaurant on girls night out.

So in a nutshell the image of men (35 -40+) is doomed to be a hyper sexual dumb perv. just because we like to be spoon fed by the news channel.
It seems we cant decide by ourselves anymore.

I def feel alone in this mind corrected world.
That is sad..
and its not necessarily for me

Couple years ago I was walking on the beach and happened upon a small black girl about 3 years old alone and crying her eyes out. I spied a group of black people about 100 yards away and picked the girl up and carried her over to them. I presented the child and asked if they had lost something. A surly looking black woman appeared and forcefully grabbed the child from my arms and the scowled at me without so much as a Thank You.

I walked away and that was the end of it. Could have been a bad guy and they would not have knew what had happened. But I'm not and they got their kid back.

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Move to America. Men here have been so effeminated that commercials are starting to pop up with "stay at home dads" proudly stating how they are now homemakers, as they present whatever random household item.

You'll fit right in, as a responsible, caring parent.

Hi folks,

Just thought I'd add my two cents. I see a lot of points on both sides of the coin here, that I find valid.

A guy who lived behind my house got killed (shot 3 times) recently.(that too in a city of 1.5 million with only 10 murders in a year). Our neighbourhood is a very family oriented neighbourhood. There are parks nearby and lots of young children. The individual who got shot had tattoos of snakes etc... and he could occasionally be seen by us from our backyard. My wife immediately pegged him for a non-good element of society not just because he had artwork that invokes a sense of danger - but more just because he had tattoos. After he was killed, we found out that he had a 15 year track record of being in and out of jails and had a case of arson against him (for burning a restaurant and causing damage in the million dollar range).

I'm not so judgemental. People who have tattoos are not necessarily out of the ordinary people. However, I have to say that the criminal lot that operate at the street level seem to be fond of these types of adornment. So, while only a subset of those who adorn tattoos are potentially criminal, people with tats get scrutinized by generalization more in society than those that don't have tattoos.

Tatoos are not something people are born with. In the past and even in the present, they are not necessarily just considered artwork, but they are also considered a means to indicate one's strength of character. At least this is what I surmise from what I've seen and is much more indicative in some societies more than others. To me it also purveys a statement that seems to say "I get what I want - I'm not a conformist". The tatoos themselves are often a means of communicating the style of the individual who wears them as well - so the content is used in judgement as well.

I used to live in India, and occasionally visit my relatives there. The state where my parents from has 99% literacy (one of the highest literacy levels in the world). But in spite of education levels, there are a lot of people there that abuse others - I've been on crowded buses and notice such perverts rub against you for instance. On the other hand, I have heard of such heroic individuals in the society which I hail from - true stories of people (men and women), who put their life on the line to save innocent people - and they aren't part of any formal outfit whose
duties require such heroism.

In third world countries, it is my impression that a lot of oppression is handed out by the people who *can* do so. Power is corrupting and absolute power absolutely so. Women and children are some of the most targeted victims in such societies because they are more vulnerable. It isn't to say that men aren't targeted - it just isn't as easy.

When it comes to protecting women and children, in a society that is increasingly financially and morally distraught, the stereotypes are going to stick even stronger.

I'm not saying I feel that the OP is in the wrong being male and having tats... It just fits the stereotype for higher potential for danger. It doesn't make it right, but this is how things are. I feel that people should be aware.

I feel bad for good people, but the world as it currently exists isn't a club exclusive to good people, regardless of the country one lives in - though some countries exhibit more trouble than others. One can certainly read of the various societal elements if one chose to in travel guides.

Increasing levels of scrutiny and distrust is what I feel we should expect in the near future, accompanied by increasing levels of danger too. Testing people, is not, I personally feel something to be frowned at or unexpected: I think that that is to be understood as normal and possibly as something that is beyond just normal: It should be expected. At least that is what one should expect from well-bred people.

Can't say that that is true of the people in the OP's story though, without having met them and seen what they were objecting to.

Misandry bubble. Read it.

Sorry to hear about this OP.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it's very well written. With that said, this is pretty ridiculous & I don't think I'd of been able to keep my cool in a similar situation. The world feels like it's completely inverting; the most immoral people run everything, paranoia is induced in every fashion, 'freedom' is becoming slavery; we're gone down the rabbit hole & not in a good way.

Mate I hear you and feel your pain. I was invited to a family Scout camp regional where family was invited. As I former scout I felt honored to be able to attend with my younger brother and pass on camp craft which I had learned in the old days of scouts. I attended with another of his older brothers and us older men shared a tent whilst he shared with his troop.
The following day we went with him and his troop to the obstacle course and activities and I was confronted by a woman demanding to see my blue card. As I don't work around children I have no need of a 30 dollar a year blue card and am not about to pay a yearly just in case I may encounter a child in my travels.

I was told I would not be able to participate and that I could only stay as long as I was accompanying my brother. I saw her go talk to some other people there and point at my brother and me and they gave us a suspicious look. I have never felt so outraged at an insinuation. Gone are the days when men can pass on camp-craft without some sort of license in any sort of organization.

Reading this little anecdote angered me. I can't stand how judgmental people are. If I was in your situation, I don't know what I'd do (other than desperately trying to reign in my temper). But of course, I'm a woman, so perhaps this wouldn't apply to me at all.

Although, as someone with tattoos... I know all to well how judgmental people can be. And what BrokenCircles said (quoted below) seems to ring true. If you were a clean cut, stereotypical looking 'good guy' it's possible that the woman wouldn't have said anything. And that is a big problem in our society.

Personally, I've found that I live for being a contradiction.
As an example: whenever I go to church, I usually get glared at by the parishioners because of the way I look. They glare at me like I'm a heathen. Little do they know that I have a degree in Catholic theology.
Same with college. I'd go into class, and the clean-cut students would give me the same look - a look of apprehension mixed with slight fear and disgust, as if I didn't belong. Little did they know that I was there for free.

Because I've been judged so often, I've learned to not judge others. (Although it's hard to accomplish... I find that I can be just as judgmental as others. I see people glare at me and I just assume they're ignorant... which, I suppose, is a judgment in itself.)

Either way, looks matter too much in our society. And in this situation, whether it's because you're tattooed or a male - people need to explore the situation before they make a judgment.

After all that woman judged you before she even explored the situation. I mean, if that particular beach had a problem in the past with perverts taking pictures of children... then it makes sense that she would be apprehensive seeing someone she doesn't know taking pictures of far away kids. And as a responsible adult, I can see where she would want to approach you about it. But after you provided her with an explanation - she should have dropped it.

And honestly, if she was legitimately worried about your presence, she should have talked to you when she initially passed by... instead of going behind your back and alerting others as if you were a threat. She assumed you were a threat before she explored the situation - and that's the problem.

Instead of being a disgusting human being and scoffing at you as she walked by with ideas of "justice" in her little head - she should have walked up to you and in a kind voice said, "I'm sorry to bother you, but we've had problems on this beach before with people taking pictures of children... so I can't help but ask if those are your children your taking pictures of. After all, you can never be too careful."

I'm sure if she approached you like that, as an equal human being, there would have been no problem. Instead she (wrongly) assumed her superiority. And it's people like that woman who make society as sick as it is.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
It's hard to say for sure, since I know nothing about your tats(size & image). But sadly, it's possible that your tats were more of a deciding factor in these accusations, than your genitalia was.
I think that most people don't even realize they're doing it, but many still seem to automatically view someone with tats, as most likely being a criminal.
Much of our society still remains conditioned to believe that:

[color=FF7B61]Long Hair

[color=FF7B61]Beard

[color=FF7B61]Tattoos
[color=FF7B61]= Bad Guy

&

[color=7AFF7A]Well Groomed

[color=7AFF7A]Clean Shaven

[color=7AFF7A]Suit & Tie
[color=7AFF7A]= Good Guy

9 times out of 10, it's the guy in the suit that you should keep your eye on.

I've been told that as a courier driver that soon I will need to produce a CRB certificate, that is a Criminal Records Bureau certificate to prove that I don't pester kids to deliver to schools.

I think it's outrageous and it floofin angers me to be honest! Why should I have to prove to them or the schools anything for that matter. I just want to do my job and go home at the end of the day with a wage.

Originally posted by benrl
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Thats also why surveys show that women cheat just as much as men on their partner but almost never get caught, Women are better at being emotionally deceptive.

In other words they can lie to your face and have you believing every word of it, and keep a straight face while doing it, looking you in the eyes and everything. Yeah i've run into those kind before.

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Oh man why did you leave? you should of sat back down and continued about your business, but ups to you for handling it and not laying anyone out. lol

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I'm sure if she approached you like that, as an equal human being, there would have been no problem. Instead she (wrongly) assumed her superiority. And it's people like that woman who make society as sick as it is.

Be that as it may, and you are right, but her reaction is completely normal considering the times we live in where child pornography, child molestation and pandering with little kids happens all too frequently and with the addition of the internet has compounded the problem. This lady is just having a knee jerk reaction to the times we live in were this kind of behavior is being seen more and more commonplace and in some countries (like France, last i heard) it is socially acceptable. People are being groomed by society to shoot first and ask questions later as pedophilia is either on the rise or brought to light. In truth it may not actually be on the rise but with the addition of the internet law enforce task forces, they are being hunted down more easily. The internet is blessing and a curse, a tool and a weapon, or an angel and a demon.

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What's/Where's the beef? Well, my burger is burned and cinged and shriveled based on your story....thank you for describing your experience so well...I felt like I was there...

Although I haven't read everyone's responses, I, as a woman, could not have kept the composure as you did while on a rare vacation day with your children.

I applaud you, but did it cut your time with them short?

If so, I would have asked to speak to the lifeguard's manager. I would have yelled at the purple whale and her cronies, and I would have probably called the local media.

Double standards are so irritating. I would have tried to *expose* all these freaks, but it would have probably just have been a vain effort.

Thanks for raising my blood pressure!!!

Don't give up--These are YOUR children; better luck to you next time!

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Good story mate and i'm sure that once they recognized that they were in fact your kids you should have been alright.

BUT, I must say that I work at Police Headquarters in Brisbane, and the amount of crap done against children, from their fathers, and step fathers, and other men , well, I think better to be getting questioned and having people looking out for those kids best intentions. Still, though, what hard luck that was of taking pics of your kids for the family album, and getting harrassed like that.

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Explanation: S&F!

For comparison only OL offers up the following vid ...



Now is that innocent or creepy?

Personal Disclosure: Without the "walrus's" own internal biases being disclosed ... OL is unsure of how to approach this thread any better than what I have provided above ... But I will take a completely different angle on this and come from my own BIASED point of view!

When I 1st saw the Title to this thread and due to my own current internal biases at that time ... OL saw the TERM 'Babe" as being female gender specific ONLY!

Imgaine my surprise when I read the thread!

I think the lady made the right descision at the wrong time and place ...off of her own internal biases!

I'd be glad myself [if I had kids.. which I don't btw] to have been accosted in such a manner as it shows my fellow Australians are looking out for the kids and I am certainly man enough to wear that socially awkward sitX and laugh it off and set the minds of those anxious individuals at ease!

I'd LOL at them and joyfully call the kids over by name and I'd ask the kids in front of these inquiring minds the exact same question that Arnie is asking the kids in the above video [but way more playfully ..in fact evilly so ... so as to put the inquistive minds on the back foot!] and then turn to the inquistive minds and say "see .. from outa the mouths of babes ... comes the truth!".

You had nothing to fear .. they were your kids yes! So why get angry at someone ELSES stupid mistake, which of course should of been laughed at ... not to fob it off ..but to DRIVE THE POINT HOME to them!

Example ONLY ...

Inquistors: "Dear sir ... why are you taking pictures of those kids?"

OL: "LMAO are you serious? Hey kid's [uses names of kid's] ... come over here and laugh with daddy about and at these tools thinking I am some kind of evil freak who would ever harm you ok!"

Kids: "Lolwut? But Daddy ... you'd never hurt us ... you brought us to the beach to play and to take photos of us so we can show our kids what fun we had when we were growing up with you!"

Inquistors: "Oh my ... our deepest apologies sir!"

OL: "Don't worry about it ... I would have been concerned if you DIDN'T come ask me wtfh I was doing ok! Thanks for caring about my kids ... you guys rock ok and I am sorry for embarrassing you in front of my kids as you didn't know any better and I didn't make myself clear that I am their dad until just now! For the kids sake I thank you for your efforts ... just try remember me and my kids next time ok so this doesn't happen again ok!"

Inquistors: "Sure mate ... no worries! You kids have a fun time playing with your dad and please enjoy your day at the beach ok!"

OL: " And hey kid's ... these people care for you even if they get that a little mixed up sometimes ... aint Australia the best place on the planet?"

Kids: "Yes Dad .. it sure is!"

OL :

Edited to add ... Lest We Forget those unfortunate child victims like Daniel Morcombe! [May he RIP! ]

sorry mod bad connection. clean up, please. thank u.

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I think it is called "projection" in psychology. We do see the world more as we are, rather then how it realy is, no?

Or maybe they just dont get enough love and attention in their own lives, so they urge to matter the bussineses of others in order to escape reality, or some sort. Just thinking out loud. Peoples opinions do get easily programed by the media nowadays. Especialy when it concerns the more sensitive subjects, like the one between the legs.

Or perhaps u just do in fact look like one child molester, OP. Do u look into the mirror very often lately? Just kidding

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by MaMaa
However it isn't as if the assumptions of men being sexual predators is based in falsehoods.

Speak for yourself. I'm not a sexual predator.

By the way, women who assume that all males are just ready to jump on them should actually ask some men they know if they want sex.

Most women would be suprised at how few men actually want to have sex with them.

That isn't what I meant, I apologize for wording it poorly. I am in no way saying you or all men for that matter are sexual predators, I don't believe that at all. It isn't a matter of assuming that all men want sex, that is an over exaggeration. What I am saying is that there are enough men out there who are predators and who only look at women in a sexual nature and that it has created a stereotype. The stereotype hasn't been created because just a couple of guys did bad things and the news got a hold of it, know what I mean? Most stereotypes be it this one or any other have their origins in some level of truth. Most of the men I know are amazing people and I have learned a lot from them. I have four boys of my own, I'm rather partial to males in general. They are funny, they parent in a totally different way that is beneficial to kids, they don't let as many of their emotions rule their decisions the way some women can, they are logical and creative in a wonderfully different way than I as a female am. I can assure you, I have quite high opinions of males in general. I have learned so much and have been able to better develop myself into a better person for all I have learned from my husband and four boys. I would like to think that by balancing out my female characteristics with the more male characteristics I have learned from my hubby and boys that I am a more well rounded, balanced person in general. I have lessened my fears over the years as I learn to understand what makes a guy tick.

The idea of protecting girls from males however is ingrained early and often by their dads,moms and adults in general, why do you suppose that is? Girls are taught to protect themselves from males from a young age. Why do we put such a negative spin on a guy's intentions? How much truth is there to it? When I was dating it was no secret that my boyfriend (now husband) wanted sex from me, but my fear of it was probably greatly exaggerated because of the ideas I grew up with. I hate to think that some girl will look at my son's and not trust them because they think their intentions are not 100% on the up and up, ya know?

Hell it's all over the media and not just the news. Have you seen Chris Rock's Bigger and Blacker on HBO? Talk about perpetuating stereotypes. Or is it.. I don't know, I have heard guys agree with it, but to me it seems like nonsense and I'd like to think better of guys than that. It's just hard when you have it shoved in your face from a young age. You form these opinions of guys in general that you are not even aware you have, they are that deeply ingrained. Even with how wonderful I think most guys are, I still have this innate fear sometimes. Lets say I'm walking down a dark street late at night (parents tell us this is dangerous, society tells us this is dangerous.. but even more so if your female).. and I see a couple of guys walking my way, I am likely to cross the street or speed up my pace a bit. Likely they mean no harm, but just in case, distance is best. It's not that I think all guys are bad or some sort of predator, but there is this deep down fear that they 'might' be.

Fear can be an ugly thing and has a bad tendency to paint life with a very broad brush.

do you have a mustache? if so i recommend shaving or at least trimming it.. jk

First, my symphathy to you O.P.

There are two or three responses on this thread that are just part of the problem; talking about the mysogynistic, sexist knee-jerk reactions here.
Those of you who are leaning on the conspiracy side couldn't be more right. Beware of the oversexualisation of everything that is supposed to be innocent.

You know what? There is a sick agenda that is beginning to get clearer and we can bet we already know where this is going. You can notice it by the shameless blatant oversensationalism of sexual abuses scandals by the mass media. It's hard to even conceive that this horrible crime could be used for nefarious agendas but it is.

However, men should've seen this coming. This is also the bad karma of this hypermasculinity the system have corrupt your minds with, from the gender bastardization by most religions to pornography. We tend to forget how we are responsible for our mental health.