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What Will Soldiers do if Ordered to Arrest Friends, Families, Neighbors on US Soil?

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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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When issuing a blatently illegal order, the subordinates are obligated under the UCMJ to place that issuing superior under arrest or they will be charged with disobeying the order to not place that officer under arrest. The courts martial will sort it all out after a full investigation.
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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First, they won't be asked to arrest their own people...

The government will do like the Soviets... use Southern people to arrest Northern people, etc... nobody will arrest their own families, friends or neighbors.

Second, they did it during Katrina. They didn't care. They confiscated weapons and that kind of stuff.


When it goes haywire, people will shoot back, putting the soldiers in a ``gang mentality`` and yeah, they will kill citizens.
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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I think one of the problems with questions like this is that such situations are never that blatant. It is very unlikely tomorrow military members will wake up and have to arrest Momma. It's more likely that over time a conflict will emerge that over time drives families apart while the whole country is in turmoil. Thus I find it likely after such a wedge is driven between people they wouldn't have issues arresting each other.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by DaveWx3


Really? Do they not think about what they do in the Army?


No most of them don't, and you need to remember the training is meant to keep people in line and not questioning orders. If you question every order things don't get done therefore that sort of behavior is discouraged. We'd all like to think everyone joins for a noble cause, but when it's between putting food in your kids mouth and nobility I think we all know which way most people go.




For everyone else: With all due respect this spouse does not speak for the USMC at all.


Army, not marines and to proclaim that because my opinion isn't a positive assessment that suddenly you guys are speaking for the military is a little bit jerkish.
edit on 4-12-2011 by antonia because: forgot something


I am quite aware that you are speaking from an Army standpoint, and I allowed you to have your opinion on what the Army would do. I just clarified that you do not speak for the Marines.

How can you be married to a Soldier and believe that he doesn't think at all? Do you think if the order came down, he would just blindly throw your ass in jail?



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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If things got to the point of that. I would fall back to my hardend shelter with my family and friends. Got everthing i need to live there. I would help soldiers and civilians alike so long as they are on the same sheet of music i am on.

I will not point my weapons on american citizens under orders. Moraly wrong. Try me for awol when things blow over. Ide take the honorable, dishonorable discharge for doing what was moraly right to do. And if things dont blow over, you know where i am. Hit me on the hf.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Because I can make a distinction between the people I know and the collective lot of people in the Army. Is my husband likely to arrest me? No, but it's very unlikely the government would send someone's family member to arrest them as they know it's not gonna happen.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Army, not marines and to proclaim that because my opinion isn't a positive assessment that suddenly you guys are speaking for the military is a little bit jerkish.





As someone who lives with, is descended from and is married to a solider let me give you a quick answer: They'd throw your ass in jail because you don't pay their bills. It's just the way things are, they have to eat too.


The same response could be drawn from your statement above.....

Just because you live with a soldier doesnt make your answer universal either........

Like i said, with the veterans out there who love their country, and the enlisted men who do the same, I feel i can conclusively say that the majority of our military would turn their arms against those that would have them bring harm to their own families......

And your statement about training making you not question orders is bunk.......

Training is to prepare you for war , to help you survive, and to help you be efficient and do your job....
Its not to brainwash you into not thinking...

i dont care what any of these anti military establishment people or, "military people are idiots" think......

As a man who went through Marine Corps boot camp before you had "stress" cards......... I can tell ya......when I went to active duty, I was fully able to comprehend what was going on, and the orders I was given.....

Infact its stressed as our DUTY to be cognitive of unlawful orders........



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
First, they won't be asked to arrest their own people...

The government will do like the Soviets... use Southern people to arrest Northern people, etc... nobody will arrest their own families, friends or neighbors.

Second, they did it during Katrina. They didn't care. They confiscated weapons and that kind of stuff.


When it goes haywire, people will shoot back, putting the soldiers in a ``gang mentality`` and yeah, they will kill citizens.
edit on 4-12-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)


Possibly.

But then it will become awar of attrition. about 400,000 armed forces vs. 85,000,000 heavily armed, snipers and booby trap setters that know how to ambush for the purposes of baiting a chase into a killing field.

Guess how that's going to turn out.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Like i said, with the veterans out there who love their country, and the enlisted men who do the same, I feel i can conclusively say that the majority of our military would turn their arms against those that would have them bring harm to their own families......


And I feel I can say after years of observing human behavior and seeing living a military lifestyle all my life that most people wouldn't question it if it came between them and feeding their kids.


And your statement about training making you not question orders is bunk.......


No it isn't, there is a way things are done. It's why there is a chain of command, hierarchy is an integral part of the military. It is by it's very nature a collectivist organization.


Training is to prepare you for war , to help you survive, and to help you be efficient and do your job....
Its not to brainwash you into not thinking...

i dont care what any of these anti military establishment people or, "military people are idiots" think......


Any psychologists worth their salt will tell you military training is a form of brainwashing. Very few people are naturally apt of pick up a gun and shoot someone because they are ordered to. that takes a certain amount of deconstruction and that is what happens in basic. The stress deconstructs the mind to prep it for new programming.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

As a man who went through Marine Corps boot camp before you had "stress" cards......... I can tell ya......when I went to active duty, I was fully able to comprehend what was going on, and the orders I was given.....



Whoa there buddy. They still don't have stress cards as far as I know. That's the Army.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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With the US stirring up trouble around the world with its 700+ bases in 130+ nations
man ppl of many countries are not happy with us.

Many of the members of the UN will be happy to show up and strong arm US citizens.

While all the US forces are sent overseas to fight various wars in various countries.

We even have troops in Uganda now...

As Wesley Clark said 7 nations in around 5 years, and its coming true.

We may have a lot of redneck with rifles, but it won't do much against air power
with heat seeking weaponry.

Many nations have learned the value of air power since WW2, and the most ironic part
of all this is the US taxpayer is the #1 funder of the UN and thus their own likely oppressors.

The #1 killers of human beings in the last century to the tune of near 300 million is
governments and religions.

Ppls best hope here in the states is to either hide very well in remote areas or leave the country
like Dr. Rime Laibow did, Jesse Ventura did, and a few others as well.

Shrub and his family even bought land in Paraguay though likely to exploit water resources
once what is in most ground water is fully exposed by the film gasland.

Good Luck to all the good ppl !!!



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

And I feel I can say after years of observing human behavior and seeing living a military lifestyle all my life that most people wouldn't question it if it came between them and feeding their kids.



And I feel I can say after years of being part of the military lifestyle, having friends and family in the military. That most people would question it if it came between them and feeding their kids.

We are entitled to our opinions.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Thats fine, keep in mind however the amount of well trained vets we have in this country, a HUGE amount........

I urge you to checkout oathkeepers.org

We will always protect our country and her people

10 Orders we will not Obey
edit on 4-12-2011 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)


Oathkeepers has a few thousand members, they are a tiny joke.

When you look at the combined forces of the UN it will be a turkey shoot.

The UN forces will show up with air power, and it will be game over.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Thats fine, keep in mind however the amount of well trained vets we have in this country, a HUGE amount........

I urge you to checkout oathkeepers.org

We will always protect our country and her people

10 Orders we will not Obey
edit on 4-12-2011 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)


Oathkeepers has a few thousand members, they are a tiny joke.

When you look at the combined forces of the UN it will be a turkey shoot.

The UN forces will show up with air power, and it will be game over.



Tiny...yes. But to say it is a joke?

Why would you say that about people standing up for your rights?



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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Tiny...yes. But to say it is a joke?

Why would say that about people standing up for your rights?


You have to look at how much mainstream support people get. Most people don't know who the oathkeepers are. The problem here is these hypothetical are always pretty far from what would actually happen. It is unlikely the government would just haul off and arrest people willy-nilly. There would be a reason given for it. It would most likely be "Terrorism" after some kind of event. Most people wouldn't question that as most people are emotionally reactive and would just want revenge/safety/etc. In this context, most of the Oathkeepers themselves would not be conscious of what was happening.

As someone else mentioned-Look at Katrina. There is your answer, the Guard came and removed people from their homes, took their guns, arrested people. You have your answer, it's just not a comforting one. As for me, if it comes down to this kind of thing I wouldn't stay in the country. I'd leave with my family.
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
First, they won't be asked to arrest their own people...

The government will do like the Soviets... use Southern people to arrest Northern people, etc... nobody will arrest their own families, friends or neighbors.

Second, they did it during Katrina. They didn't care. They confiscated weapons and that kind of stuff.


When it goes haywire, people will shoot back, putting the soldiers in a ``gang mentality`` and yeah, they will kill citizens.
edit on 4-12-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)


Good example on Katrina, I also think UN "peacekeepers" will be here to beat down the citizens.

Meanwhile the US forces will be all sent overseas to fight in the ever expanding wars.

This is also why veterans are on the MIAC report list as possible terrorists.

When it all goes bezerk I expect them to be rounding ppl up.

As soon as it starts I am headed for the middle of nowhere.

They will be busy with the major cities for awhile at least.

Where I will be has no buildings, and no above ground structures, nothing
visibly made by humans.

Others will get a visit before I will, good luck to everyone else.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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The short answer to your question is no. US military will not turn against the citizens. We were not and are not brainwashed robots. Your sons and daughters take their oath seriously. Paycheck be damned.

In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

In the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
There is a reason that this is the first line in our oath.

Also read the last line:
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. or
according to law and regulations. So help me God.


Plasifisk what's up buddy?

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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Thats fine, keep in mind however the amount of well trained vets we have in this country, a HUGE amount........

I urge you to checkout oathkeepers.org

We will always protect our country and her people

10 Orders we will not Obey
edit on 4-12-2011 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)


Oathkeepers has a few thousand members, they are a tiny joke.

When you look at the combined forces of the UN it will be a turkey shoot.

The UN forces will show up with air power, and it will be game over.



Tiny...yes. But to say it is a joke?

Why would you say that about people standing up for your rights?



edit on 4-12-2011 by jude11 because: (no reason given)


A few thousand ppl with small arms vs. a full military with satellite recon and air power,
it will go very badly. Much like what the Bielski partisans saw in WW2.

They only lost a small percentage because they hid most of the time.

It will be harder to hide now with the current tech level, adapt or die.

Peashooters vs. gunships is a joke.


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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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To be fair, any conflict would be asymmetric in nature. Heck, the Afghans are kicking our asses all over town and they don't have nearly the technology we do.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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how many people are members of the "oath keepers"? Specifically people who are in active duty?



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