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Originally posted by Sashromi
All in all, this thread is a pretty depressing read. The amount of ignorance and paranoia is just immense. How many replies by former service members saying 'No Way', versus all the fear-mongering by so many painting the US military as little more than brainless automatons willing to go unquestioningly into action against fellow Americans. Very sad indeed.
So to all you folks who keep arguing that the US military would go against the American public, I have only one question for you to ask yourselves 'Would I massacre Americans if so ordered'? Service members - by and large - are no different from yourselves. And despite the few examples of shameful conduct in Iraq and Afghanistan by Americans, for the most part, and considering what has happened, what is remarkable is the large-scale lack of barbarity. But that's what happens I guess when we have the war broadcast practically live into our living rooms on a continuous basis. War is the worst behavior of humanity, and to formulate one's judgment of the human race, or just American soldiers from the scenes of violence is a fearfully inadequate means of assessing all the facts.
This is not Nazi-Germany, we have no Hitler, Gestappo, or National Creed of ethnic and cultural superiority. Stop fearing your brothers and sisters, open your hearts to peace and trust, and maybe the world won't turn out to be as bad as you fear.
Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by jude11
My brother is in the military (Ex Marine, now in the Air Force) and I asked him this when he was in the Marines. He said absolutely he would follow orders.
Now he is a member of the Air Force and I don't think he would be dealing with citizens face to face, but I doubt his answer would be any different.
edit on 6-12-2011 by sdocpublishing because: Spelling
Originally posted by MarkScheppy
Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by jude11
My brother is in the military (Ex Marine, now in the Air Force) and I asked him this when he was in the Marines. He said absolutely he would follow orders.
Now he is a member of the Air Force and I don't think he would be dealing with citizens face to face, but I doubt his answer would be any different.
edit on 6-12-2011 by sdocpublishing because: Spelling
No idea what any of that means besides I hate most people — Timon of Athens misanthrope.
The economy is like daily warfare, compound that with troops taking rogue orders to round up gritty disorderlys when a new terrorist attack.
Americans have to plan most of their life to pay off loans and credit card debt, but that won't matter if Orders are to round them up and force them to N.W.O autocracy.
The Logo (Marines) must be Oracle of Delphi, a charon underworld type corrupting influence. Prostitutes for the New world Order's destruction plans.edit on 9-12-2011 by MarkScheppy because: add
Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by akalepos
How would You be effective against some super game player at their screen guiding a drone towards YOU?
They will be told their is a terrorist cell there that needs STERALIZING.
It will be a buzz for them.
gravitor
Originally posted by hypervigilant
People change a lot when they have been in combat... They are the ones that I would think most likely to refuse to follow unlawful orders unless they have been endoctrinated in modern day Christianity as taught by the military... As a gung ho recruit in 1968 I didn't think but did what I was told to do and was asked about whether I and everyone else in my training platoon if we would follow orders and shoot citizens in Los Angeles if sent there the night of MLK's assassination.. We all said we would... That worried me a lot later on and when I was in a situation when I had to take lives it wasn't all that disturbing to me because it was a means of not allowing Marines to be killed as well as pay back for those that had been killed.... I am pretty sure those that have been involved in combat would have their heads on right but the ones that haven't would be a problem.... It was reservist at Kent State that shot civilians, not Marines or Regular Army.... Our fire control discipline was amazing when we had enemy targets but would give away our position by firing on them... I never heard anyone brag about a kill or fire on a non combatant during the 12 months I was attached to an infantry company... The drone thing I don't like at all. Pilots and artillery crews really liked a large body count but I'd like think it is because they knew it was less enemy to kill other Marines or soldiers that would be taken out by them doing their jobs.... It is not a pleasant thing when it is up close and you can see the results of you doing your job even if it is to save the lives of yourself and those around you.
Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by akalepos
How would You be effective against some super game player at their screen guiding a drone towards YOU?
They will be told their is a terrorist cell there that needs STERALIZING.
It will be a buzz for them.
gravitor
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I'd like to make three points. The first point is that the MSM will never report all of the good things that our service people do while overseas. I know of personal stories told to me by one of my relatives(a marine) who served 3 tours in Iraq. He told me of heartwarming stories of marines who helped Iraqi people get food, medical aid, and in several cases, help build shelters for civilians. Many times, his unit put themselves in front of civilians to protect them, when they were under fire.
I asked him if he would ever shoot at US civilians in the US, and his answer was "Only if they shot at me first". He said he would absolutely disobey any order to shoot Americans or ANY civilian, for any reason, unless other innocents would die as a result of what the citizens were doing.
The second point I wish to make is that the MSM loves to find the odd story where soldiers did do something horrific. The fact that there are so few of those stories tells me that they are extremely rare, but yes they do occur. Many of you know that an ATS member went off on a shooting spree a few years ago. Rare event, but it happens. I'm sure you can take any profession, gender, religion or nationality, and find examples. The vast majority are not like that, however.
Finally, it is wrong to blame the solders for policies that you oppose. That is what elections are for- if you don't like what is going on, vote those who initiated those policies out.
Unfortunately, in today's world of instant messaging, instant news, and instant food, people don't want to wait for change. They want it yesterday.
Let me give you a hint- the world doesn't work that way, and thank God it doesn't, because no one person has a monopoly on what is "right" or what is "wrong".
reply to post by akalepos
The only issue I would take with your above is the idea that we can really vote these people out. I would like to believe it, but can no longer.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I'd like to make three points. The first point is that the MSM will never report all of the good things that our service people do while overseas. I know of personal stories told to me by one of my relatives(a marine) who served 3 tours in Iraq. He told me of heartwarming stories of marines who helped Iraqi people get food, medical aid, and in several cases, help build shelters for civilians. Many times, his unit put themselves in front of civilians to protect them, when they were under fire.
I asked him if he would ever shoot at US civilians in the US, and his answer was "Only if they shot at me first". He said he would absolutely disobey any order to shoot Americans or ANY civilian, for any reason, unless other innocents would die as a result of what the citizens were doing.
The second point I wish to make is that the MSM loves to find the odd story where soldiers did do something horrific. The fact that there are so few of those stories tells me that they are extremely rare, but yes they do occur. Many of you know that an ATS member went off on a shooting spree a few years ago. Rare event, but it happens. I'm sure you can take any profession, gender, religion or nationality, and find examples. The vast majority are not like that, however.
Finally, it is wrong to blame the solders for policies that you oppose. That is what elections are for- if you don't like what is going on, vote those who initiated those policies out.
Unfortunately, in today's world of instant messaging, instant news, and instant food, people don't want to wait for change. They want it yesterday.
Let me give you a hint- the world doesn't work that way, and thank God it doesn't, because no one person has a monopoly on what is "right" or what is "wrong".
reply to post by Azekual
You make a good point but let me point something out. The soldiers will likely be deceived as everyone else will in the beginning. Led to believe their targets are terrorists. Second, they need only capture and maybe interrogate, but officers will be more likely to do interrogations as they will be more privy to whats going on, depending on their rank. The soldiers don't need to shoot, just capture.