What Will Soldiers do if Ordered to Arrest Friends, Families, Neighbors on US Soil?

I think hands down the Marines would jump ship... 100% and be on the peoples side, like in some collective psychic move... The reason why I think Obama wants to get rid of the marines honestly...

I'm not a marine but I will fight by them any day of the week...

Here's the thing about the chain of command... Yes orders come from the top... But the top requires critical thinking.....

not just droning around like the enlisted personnel.

reply to post by ATC_GOD

Do you truly believe that there is a chance that the general population will revolt against it's governement by force??

A small group may but not enough to cause an all out war. It just wont happen.

I agree with your above post..............the sheep are under control.

The police and military are the sheep dogs that keep the sheep in line.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


agreed... think about police vs Military; how many times have you seen a fat cop? How many times have you seen a fat soldier?

its self respect, discipline and working as brothers/sisters to reach an ultimate goal

"you can conquer anything together"

its a different mentality

The Sheepdogs

Most humans truly are like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on the tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat; there is no need.

To the flock, sheepdog’s are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
These fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.

But sudden in their midst a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
The wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”
Thus is our nature but too our plight
To keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes us at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.
And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;

We love our sheep,
we Dogs of War.

reply to post by AnonymousCitizen


Thanks I was slow getting the rest of it writen down. Glitch in my system.

reply to post by jude11


they aren't stupid they will use foreign troops when things get bad...

reply to post by mik3ymik3


That wouldn't bode too well for the military. Blackwater (Xe) outnumbers the US military in active duty combat personnel. Also, they are equipped with literally the best kit that money can buy. Take also into account that the US armed forces have become bogged down in not one but two extended occupations, with all equipment in an advanced state of rust-out (at least on the ground force side of things, cannot speak for navy or airforce as they are not in my background). Who do you think would win if it really came down to it. All of the soldiers would just be labelled as deserters and terrorists.

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. Where are you getting your numbers from. Can you provide a link with some proof.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
Soldiers blindly follow orders. They recieve very complete training that instills a sense of loyalty, duty and honor to blindly following orders.
This is a solid fact.

No offense but ask anyone why they were in Afghanistan/Iraq and they will tell you they were fighting for "our freedom"..
Mention that they were there to secure mineral/trade rights and secure no bid contacts for american companies and they do not even wish to acknowledge you.

I believe SOME soldiers would see a problem with actually confronting a US citizen on US soil, but that will only happen long after the fact.
Blind loyalty will overcome any sense of reason.

HOWEVER, there are more US hunting lisc issued each year than solders in all the armed forces combined.
Ground warfare against US citizens will probably never happen as the citizens have many times more guns that the military, and we are already "behind the lines".

The ammount of LEGAL gun owners in the US is mindblowing.
It would take WMDs to shut win a war inside this country.






I've been to Afghanistan once and Iraq twice. You say: " No offense but ask anyone why they were in Afghanistan/Iraq and they will tell you they were fighting for "our freedom..."

To save time I won't wait for you to ask me, nor account for the fact that you may not care. I will answer your question regardless.

I went because I didn't have a choice. Freedom? Where?

I wish you could experience 0.01% of what I have been through.

Don't forget about this treaty signed back in 2008.
Canada, U.S. Troop Agreement

Here's another source about it.
North American Military Agreement.

My Credentials: Former US Army NCO (Infantry). DoD Cert. Computer Security Specialist. I dont wanna get any more specific to be honest. Just suffice to say that I know pretty well what's going on with technological surveillance, as well as with the common Army/Marine Grunt. (and for those of you out there making a big deal about the separation between Army and Marines, there ain't much difference. You Marines just have funny colored ACUs, Pretty Uniforms, and different traditions. Stop making fun of us, ok? we're all on the same team here, and talk like that only makes a wedge easier to drive.

1) I Am a Veteran, and a FORMER member of the Oathkeepers. I knew as soon as this thread was brought up that someone would mention them eventually. I say I am a FORMER member, because they have seriously bad Republican Mob Mentality. They have no idea that a lot of the things they support are things that caused this country to decline in the first place, and they have an idea of a republican utopia after any kind of revolution. They do not understand the separation and dissolution of party politics. They are a couple thousand super redneck idiots. They will be good for the revolutionary movement for their guns and resources, but they will be the first weeded out of a future government. Seriously, I left the organization because 90% of them are ignorant. No offense to that last 10%, those are good people who understand that current politics have no place in the shaping of a future after a revolution.

2) I don't give a crap in a bucket what that Antonia person says, even in the ARMY we are not that BLIND as to just follow orders. I WENT THROUGH Basic, not just OBSERVED IT as she has, and I hate to tell her or anyone who is actually believing that tripe that thinking we are brainwashed is just not so. We are not brainwashed to blindly follow orders. We are taught not not follow unlawful orders, we are taught not to follow orders that might put our fellow soldiers or US citizens in danger. We will always be able to use our skills to feed our children, but using them against US citizens? You're argument that it is about "feeding our kids" is irrelevant. That Screams of someone who might as well be a mercenary. Whoever you know in the ARMY who takes that stance in the face of this question should resign now and go do mercenary work, because they aren't soldiers, they're money hungry mercs who are doing it all to put food on the table, which is just a damn excuse to set honor aside, and that's not what we are about, period. Get your head on straight.

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3) They're gonna try good and hard to cull us and detain us and rid themselves of the dissenters. Keep your head on straight, keep your eyes open and BE READY. Be Suspicious of everything they do, on BOTH sides of the fence. Military, Civilian, it doesn't matter, those on the lower rungs like Civilians and the Enlisted who will enact the orders will not know until it is pretty much right on top of them unless they are paying attention. So PAY ATTENTION.

This is something I have always questioned. I have seen it in movies and read about it in books but I would hope Americans would always respect other Americans (our freedoms) and not harm someone who should not be harmed. Its tough though because it comes down on the individual who has been given the orders and what kind of consequences the higher rank officials have placed on that individual.

For me, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have enough in me to tell another American to stop protecting himself and family and give up all freedom because it was not us the American(s) who caused this nonsense to happen. It has to come from a higher power official and we know they never screw anything up

Originally posted by Rabbit806
You're argument that it is about "feeding our kids" is irrelevant. That Screams of someone who might as well be a mercenary. Whoever you know in the ARMY who takes that stance in the face of this question should resign now and go do mercenary work, because they aren't soldiers, they're money hungry mercs who are doing it all to put food on the table, which is just a damn excuse to set honor aside, and that's not what we are about, period. Get your head on straight.

Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries



These, in the day when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling,
And took their wages, and are dead.


Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.


A.E. Housman

Source

I'm getting a distinct feeling "my kind" ain't welcome here. So be it. Not much different than anywhere else. "Mercenanries" were around a thousand years before the regular troops, and will still be around a thousand years after the regulars are no more. There are good and bad among us, same as there are in any other walk of human existence - including the regulars. Odd how the regulars get all the glory and recognition, and the mercenaries get a load of crap - but we get our checks, and that's enough, I reckon. Everbody says so, so it must be true.

When the crunch comes, we'll be right there, too. Always have been. You may not like us, but if you're out there, too, I'm willing to bet my next paycheck there will be times you'll be glad to see us. At least I've been told so a time or two. Then, when the dust settles and the smoke clears, you can get right back to despising us.

Same as the civilians do to the regulars.

National Service soldiers are not the only folks who have ever seen The Critter. They're not the only people to have ever heard a shot fired in anger, or returned that fire. They're not the only folks with dead friends locked inside their heads. Everybody knows, though, that National Service Soldiers are the only people with a sense of honor. Doesn't matter that they get THEIR paychecks for it, too. They've got that honor thing locked up, and it appears there are those who prefer not to allow it in anyone else.

That's cool. I'll leave you gents to your honor fest, and get back to hanging out with folks who know me, and don't despise me for a lable they can toss at me - friends, family, that sort of thing, and of course my merry band of heartless cutthroats.

I'll leave you with a quote from towards the beginning of your own post:

(and for those of you out there making a big deal about the separation between Army and Marines, there ain't much difference. You Marines just have funny colored ACUs, Pretty Uniforms, and different traditions. Stop making fun of us, ok? we're all on the same team here, and talk like that only makes a wedge easier to drive.

I'm outta here. Drive on.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Thank everything for honorable men like you who will uphold their oaths and protect the people against enemies foreign and within.

As a current member of the military, I can answer this question for myself and a few people whom I have specifically asked this question to, most of them VERY high ranking.

To my dismay, it would be the minority that would stand with the people. I'm sorry to say this, and sorry to all the Devil Dogs out there that think they would stand with the people, but I can tell you that only a minority of military would stand with the people.

I find this disturbing because I always wanted to feel that I am one of the few who would stand with the people, but this situation is not so cut and dry.

First, a majority of the military is not very knowledgable or mindful of the US Constitution. Also, this scenario is not as cut and dry as it seems with the Constitution being THE ONLY document we go by.

Sure we are sworn to protect the Constitution and it's people, but the average joe coming out of high school and enlisting, or going officer, sadly enough, cannot quote a single sentence from the Constitution beyond the opening sentence.

And can you blame them? Most Americans cannot do this either.

Also, with all the myriad of laws, regulations, etc that basically add to or in some cases, over ride the Constitution, you would be signing your own death statement so to speak, to go against your brothers in arms. The UCMJ is not anywhere near as fair and open minded as the civilian legal system, and from what I have seen, most officials residing over court martials, have their minds made up in the matter before even walking into the courtroom and viewing the evidence.

Also, from what my CSM told me when I asked him this question is "I am sworn to protect against all threats both foreign AND domestic".

Mind you, the "domestic threat" that he is referring to IS NOT the institution, since most people are unaware of the "man behind the curtain", so to speak. The domestic threat would be civilians threatening our institution and way of life.

Also, military people in general, are VERY stuck in their ways. They are hard to convince otherwise.

Also, military people are very cut off from civilians. We are almost, in some ways, elitists in our thinking. Civilians, citizens are kind of on the outside and dont know what we have been through or go through on a daily basis. Now I know this is a very naive way of thinking, but thats how it is.

Plus, the American public, in a majority of cases, look up to the military very highly. I cannot tell you how many times I have been thanked while in uniform, and alot of the times it catches me off guard and I reply "I'm just a normal guy, nothing special".

I means seriously, you are almost looked at as a criminal if you say bad things about the military.

Sorry if anyone doesnt agree or doesnt like what I am saying, but I have been an active duty soldier for 10 years, and still am. I spent a majority of my time OCONUS and deployed, so even I fall victim to my own assessments.

I go home on leave and feel like an outsider amongst my old civilian friends, and cant wait to get back "to my boys". I've just been through so much more with my brothers in arms, that I can barely relate to my old friends when I do see them. Especially the ones who have not progressed much in life since I left them after high school.

We are not "trained" per say to be different than the average American, but we just are due to the lifestyle change. We eat different, shop at different stores, raise our kids different, drink different, live in different houses, etc..

So, I hate to say it, but I dont see many military jumping sides. It's not that these guys are brainwashed, just "bred" over years to have a different outlook on things, which may give off the appearance of being brainwashed.

The absolute best bet for the military to side with the people, is to have one high ranking, old patriot general or president who says "enough is enough" and has his men follow him into even the mouth of hell.

But this is also part of the reason why the military did away with 5 star generals.

Also (I know I'm rambling), but the key to any of this lies with the Army. Please dont get offended other branches (especially marines), but overall, the army has the most numbers, best trained special ops, and hardware that the other branches dont have.

just my 2 cents

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by ofhumandescent

 

agreed... think about police vs Military; how many times have you seen a fat cop? How many times have you seen a fat soldier?

its self respect, discipline and working as brothers/sisters to reach an ultimate goal

"you can conquer anything together"

its a different mentality

Whats wrong with fat people?
I have seen lots of fat police.
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Not running away are We sir?
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reply to post by ofhumandescent


If you read my post again you mis-read my words. I did not say "just". I was not calling him a mechanic to belittle him. I have lots of crew chief, AFE and mechanic friends.

My point was that as a jet mechanic, you spend 16+ hours a day keeping the planes in the air. They are backlogged and there is little time for anything else. They dont hand a jet mechanic a gun and say go stand behind that rock and shoot anything you see.

My job is not a direct fire in your face combat type job either. I am required to make split second decisions that would drastically effect the safety of alot of people every day. While sitting in the scope, controlling aircraft my watch supervisor may tell me to do something like turn the aircraft or have him change frequencies. I do not turn arournd and say....."i want a detailed explination as to why you want me to do that." I just do it. Because if I failed to it could lead to fireballs in the sky.

If I was faced with a superior telling me to shoot an innocent unarmed person in down-town NY on Christmas Day for no apparent reason I would not just do it....

See the difference?