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Originally posted by EvillerBob
And herein lies the problem. This is given to us as fact - even the language used ("report", "reportedly", "reports show") suggest a factual basis of some kind.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Oh, i forgot to mention that it's 'contactees' like for example Billy Meier who told he have been told by Pleiadian woman Semjase that they travel the vast distances in a 'Split Second'.
Originally posted by EvillerBob
Again, this requires unquestioning acceptance that (i) aliens exist, that (ii) Pleiadians and Andromedans specifically exist and that (ii) aliens of any kind contact people, before you even begin to consider whether (iii) those specific aliens contacted the specific people you mention.
He spoke of as a child witnessing UFOs flying down the nearby Missouri River valley, green balls of light four times larger than a school auditorium. Through portholes on the sides of these ships he could see shadows of persons inside. During one encounter he met a seven-foot-tall man in white clothes who appeared like a middle-aged Caucasian. The room was filled with light. It contained computer-like machines which operated on light and "the law of thought".
Standing Elk talked about meeting another Sioux Medicine Man who confirmed that there are Star Visitors. Some are like ants, with big, black eyes and long fingers and toes. Some live out in the cosmos and some on the other side of the Moon. Sioux legends relate that they came from the Pleiades, with others coming from the Sirius and Orion systems. He related about having visitations in the sweat lodge from the "Gray" Zetas, who bear messages and provide answers to questions. Standing Elk talked about being visited by a five-foot-tall, orange-skinned Star Visitor with large eyes. He also mentioned blue and green Star People, and "a hundred other races you don't know about." He asserted that "the way of the Stars is in every culture."
Moving to a religious theme, he said that Jesus was a Star Man. Standing Elk noted that the symbols found on the wreckage of the Roswell UFO crash each had two meanings: a universal law and a spiritual law. During a subsequent presentation he presented interpretations of these various Star Visitor symbols which he had received from Star People who manifested during sweat lodge ceremonies.
Originally posted by EvillerBob
The problem that a skeptical mind has with this, is that you are jumping from A to Z while ignoring all the letters in between.
You can present a plethora of youtube links, research papers and documentaries, but if all the information traces back to a single source - the person themself - then it all boils down to whether you trust that person.
Not just trust in terms of "is he lying or not?", but trusting them not to have misremembered, or misinterpreted, or that they are (knowingly on unknowingly) filling in details to complete a memory that wasn't entirely clear.
They seem to be accepted without question and I can never understand why.
I have many, many hours of experience in questioning witnesses, and that experience informs the way I look at "person accounts" of anything.
Some people lie.
The strategies for dealing with those former servicemen, corporate employees or witnesses brave or ‘foolish’ enough to come forward to reveal classified information is to intimidate, silence, eliminate or discredit these individuals. This policy involves such strategies as removing all public records of former military service men or corporate employees, forcing individuals to make retractions, deliberately distorting statements of individuals, or discrediting individuals
With all the best will in the world, most people are horribly unreliable as witnesses if you want a full, clear and impartial recollection of events.
I'm just trying to explain why what one person sees as "evidence", another person sees as having little or no evidential value at this current time.
Meier claimed the visitors charged him with certain informational and consciousness-raising tasks As he undertook this mission, he met with a great deal of scorn and assassination attempts. Some of these were allegedly initiated by hostile extraterrestrial entities and subsequently defeated largely through the intervention of his Plejaren friends.
Some of the most important evidence for Meier's claims come from his large collection of controversial photographs. These include images of alleged spacecraft in the Swiss countryside, the Apollo-Soyuz 1975 docking and distant astronomical phenomena. Supporters insist that the images are exceptionally high quality and that a one-armed man could not possibly have fabricated them.
Critics such as Stanton Friedman and Jacques Vallée believe them to be fakes. Some critics have provided examples of similar faked photos and have pointed out that some of his photos are taken from science fiction books, paintings and television programs.
Meier claims that these photos were altered by intelligence agencies and slipped into his collection in order to discredit his UFO testimony.
The metal alloy samples are said to have been given to Meier by the Plejarens and then passed on to Wendelle Stevens who then had them tested by chemist Marcel Vogel. Vogel said that in his view the samples could not have been made by means of contemporary earthly metallurgy as they were apparently produced via cold fusion. Vogel also stated that the metal vanished from the IBM laboratory not long after his work was completed which prevented other scientists from performing their own analyses on it.
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
Originally posted by dilly1
Aliens could exist. But getting here is a whole different scenario...unless you know something that I don't .
your biggest mistake is believing the rest of the universe is on our time schedule. what makes you think our limited knowledge of physics hasn't been surpassed by alien cultures that are millions of years older than ours?
Originally posted by dilly1
Your tone sounds a bit like a religious person having faith on god. You have faith that there just mite be new physics out there do the sheer size of the universe. Hate brake it to you ,but what we have is it . If something new happens great but I wouldn't bet on it ,in your lifetime or hundred years from now(or even much longer). But keep hoping.
it may sound that way to you about me being religious but you are wrong. just as you are wrong about your comment "what we have is it". Actually you are making my point for me, what we have is all we have- but that in no way should imply there's nothing left to be learned. Believing that is silly and not really worth arguing with.
Originally posted by dilly1
So for recap , currently there is ONLY 3 points needed for space travel.
Light speed
Worm holes
Immortality
And FYI ,for us to even scratch the service into discovering new physic on our own,humans must restrict aging. "Life is too short" . That saying goes a long way. A lifetime, right now, is not good enough to create new physics that would solve daunting universal enigmas.
That's reality. But enjoy your faith.
how about quantum entanglement as the 4th one? as a matter of fact you are boring so don't bother replying
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by dilly1
seeing how you don't believe a jet can do enough damage to a building built like the twin towers to cause them to fail is all I need to know you aren't up to snuff in the reality department.
Originally posted by EvillerBob
The problem that a skeptical mind has with this, is that you are jumping from A to Z while ignoring all the letters in between.
Arcturians, Agharians, Alpha - Draconians , Alpha Centaurians, Amphibians, Anakim, Antarctican, Atlans, Ashtar Command, Bernarians, Booteans, Burrowers, Cetians, Chameleon, Dals, Dwarfs, Eva-Borgs, Gizan, Grails, Greens, Greys , Gypsies, Hav-Musuvs, Hu-Brid, Hyadeans, Hybrids, Iguanoids, Ikels or Satyrs, Insiders, Janosian, Korendian, Leviathans, Lyran, Martians , MIB's, Moon-Eyes, Mothmen, Nagas, Orange, Orions, Phoenicians, Pleiadeans , Procyonians , Ra-ans, Re-Brid, Reticulans, Sasquatch , Serpents, Sirians, Solarians, Synthetics, Telosian , Teros, Ulterrans, Ummites, Vegans, Venusian, Zeta Reticulums
Originally posted by Anunaki10
And according to Christian Krukowski, there exist over 40 million different kind of human looking aliens in this Universe with 343 skin colors, 7.5 million different kind of these human looking aliens allegedly exist in this galaxy. Whales and Dolphins allegedly originate in another starsystem. Andromedan contactee Alex Collier explained that Dinosaurs were brought to Earth, that animal life and other life forms also were brought to Mars as well in ancient time, Alex Collier explained that Mars once had an atmosphere long time ago.
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by dilly1
I'm not going to make you change your mind no matter what I say so what's the point? Have you noticed how everybody here just goes round in circles? I mentioned the rest of the universe is not on our time schedule as far as our technological abilities and you're like "I never said anything about time". Hey you believe what you want to believe and be happy with that, I really couldn't care less.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
E.T. has cloak ability....it is when they are either refueling or attempting a Jump that they become VERY luminous...it is a byproduct of their means of travel.
E.T. has cloak ability....it is when they are either refueling or attempting a Jump that they become VERY luminous...it is a byproduct of their means of travel.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
And according to Christian Krukowski, there exist over 40 million different kind of human looking aliens in this Universe with 343 skin colors, 7.5 million different kind of these human looking aliens allegedly exist in this galaxy.
Originally posted by torsion
Anunaki, you are digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole and providing more and more ammunition for sceptics and rationalists!
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Odds are, were are somewhere in between "technologically backwards" and "technologically advanced". We are probably not near one end or the other.
If you figure there are a large number of civilizations in the universe, if you take any one of those civilizations at random (let's say you happen to pick ours at random), odds are that civilization would fall somewhere in between the two extremes, because there are a greater number of civilizations that are between the two extremes as opposed to civilization that are near the two extremes.
For example, let's pick a random number between 1 and 10,000 out of a hat (I'm using 10,000 for illustration purposes only -- I'm not saying there are or there are not 10,000 civilizations). There is a 2/3 chance that number you picked out of the hat is near the middle (between 2500 and 7500). There is only a 1/3 chance the number is low (below 2500), and only a 1/3 chance the number is high (above 7500).
So, applying this to our question about the technological advancement of civilizations, there is double the chance that our civilization is somewhere "near" the middle in terms of technological advancement, rather than being near any one of the extremes.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
No, i'm not "digging holes". Are you sure my posts provide more ammunition for skeptics and rationalists? And can you prove it?
Originally posted by EvillerBob
Why should I trust a word that Christian Krukowski says?
Why shouldn't I assume he made the whole thing up because he's mad/on drugs/hallucinating/trying to be famous/scamming people?
His entire account hinges on his credibility.
There is no proven data, no true impartial peer review, just his word.
“The Origin of the Universe and Human Life according to the Plejaren” by Christian Krukowski. All the information in this video is from the Billy Meier case.
As the saying goes, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
If I may summarise, saying that "Christian Krukowski said aliens exist" is not proof that aliens exist, it is only suggestive of the fact that he said it.
I would just like to state for the record that a species of aliens called "Sockolites" exist. They dress up in aluminium tinfoil and enter my room to steal my socks on a regular basis to power their spaceship.