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Iran shoots down US drone – state TV

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by 1RedBuddha
 

Iran is simply an experiment in how far you can abuse a country before it collapses. The only thing impressive about Iran, besides its rich culture and history, is that it hasn't collapsed in the face of certain destruction.


I seriously don't buy your posts. Who are you to say that Iran is a pathetic nation? You are American, right? I bet you don't even remember what the US did to Iran during the Shah years. Such things as enforcing a brutal dictatorship over a nation just for the sake of controlling that nations resources, tends to really strengthen the resolve of its people when they throw the dictator, and his imperialist ties, out of the country.

Same thing happened in Cuba. Before Castro's revolution, Cuba was nothing but a whorehouse for rich tourists, run by the US-backed Batista dictatorship (who in turn had major links to organized crime). Cubans were all too happy to be diginified after their revolution, and their resolve only grew stronger during hard times (like during the 90s) when they had to sustain themselves instead of giving in to the US again. They never gave in to the US. And now, Cuba is seen by Central/South American nations (who aren't neo-liberal proxy states) as a shining example for sustainable socialism- and Cuba even goes out of its way to provide education and medical services to developing nations which makes it even more popular.

Quite frankly, I disagree with your assessments. Countries like Iran are not propped up by empires anymore. It was back when the Shah controlled it, but that changed in 1979. Iran is autonomous now. It doesn't run to Russia for back up because Russia already has ties to Iran and already finds it necessary to back it for its own interests. Iran would definitely flourish more than it already has if it wasn't for the fact that during the last decade, American forces have invaded the countries on both of Iran's borders while threatening to invade Iran itself.

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Here is new article on the subject of this thread, worth the read.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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UPDATE:

US secrets in Iran’s hands: Commando raid an option?


However all were deemed too risky, since Tehran would consider such an operation an act of war, should it be discovered. Since the crash happened in a desolate area, the US decided to leave the drone wreckage intact in the hope that it would never be discovered.

"No one warmed up to the option of recovering it or destroying it because of the potential it could become a larger incident," an unnamed official told the newspaper.

But such an operation may be back on the table after Iran announced on Sunday that its military had downed the spy drone. The US denies that the UAV could have been the victim of an Iranian hacking operation, as alleged by FARS news agency, or brought down by other means. The Americans believe that the crash damaged the drone badly enough that no secret technology could be reverse-engineered from the debris.

Iran, on the other hand, claims that the surveillance device is almost intact. This may prompt an operation by US agents to remove the drone from Iranian hands by destroying or stealing it.


Anyone still think that the whole "send a recon drone to spy on Iran" plan was just fine and dandy because it wasn't armed? I'll admit, this new spin on the story seems rather sensationalist, despite the fact that it is in turn quoting the Washington Post.

I mean, think about it. If you send a drone over enemy airspace, and you deem it to be sensitive enough that you need to "destroy or recover" its remains, and "destroying or recovering" the remains means act of war, then doesn't that make you complicit in the first place? I'm starting to have doubts about the Iranians claiming to have brought it down- I'm starting to think that the CIA might have done it on purpose.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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I seriously don't buy your posts. Who are you to say that Iran is a pathetic nation? You are American, right? I bet you don't even remember what the US did to Iran during the Shah years. Such things as enforcing a brutal dictatorship over a nation just for the sake of controlling that nations resources, tends to really strengthen the resolve of its people when they throw the dictator, and his imperialist ties, out of the country.


I remember.

We did the same thing to Iraq. Didn't end so well for them.





Same thing happened in Cuba. Before Castro's revolution, Cuba was nothing but a whorehouse for rich tourists, run by the US-backed Batista dictatorship (who in turn had major links to organized crime). Cubans were all too happy to be diginified after their revolution, and their resolve only grew stronger during hard times (like during the 90s) when they had to sustain themselves instead of giving in to the US again. They never gave in to the US. And now, Cuba is seen by Central/South American nations (who aren't neo-liberal proxy states) as a shining example for sustainable socialism- and Cuba even goes out of its way to provide education and medical services to developing nations which makes it even more popular.


False

seattletimes.nwsource.com...




Quite frankly, I disagree with your assessments. Countries like Iran are not propped up by empires anymore. It was back when the Shah controlled it, but that changed in 1979. Iran is autonomous now. It doesn't run to Russia for back up because Russia already has ties to Iran and already finds it necessary to back it for its own interests. Iran would definitely flourish more than it already has if it wasn't for the fact that during the last decade, American forces have invaded the countries on both of Iran's borders while threatening to invade Iran itself.


Iran is a Russian Buffer State. Look at their equipment. All Russian. It's war profiteering.

If you love Iran so much, go tell their government to worry about their own country and build it up from the inside first, not trying to police the middle east and, in effect, become just like those it hates.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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I just watched the video Iran released and it is in very good shape.

It didn't come down hard like the U.S. said, it landed.

Iran claims it was it's electronic warfare division who downed the craft.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by AGWskeptic
I just watched the video Iran released and it is in very good shape.

It didn't come down hard like the U.S. said, it landed.

Iran claims it was it's electronic warfare division who downed the craft.


Link?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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I added this to the other thread re: this also -

"U.S.: American Stealth Drone Shown on Iran TV Is a Fake"

ABCNews



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by bruwin
 



Iran should nto be provoked, and anyways if america attaked Iraq for supposedly having WMD's , then Iran would be crazy not to have WMD's maybe would stop them being invaded.

Where is the law that says they cant have them , North Korea has them , we dont invade them ?


They signed a nuclear non-proliferation treaty many years ago. Oh...but that was a different government and don't count right? Why is it America is only held to agreements? Any other country can change their mind when the agreement don't suit them anymore.

Iran has made themseleves a target and they have nobody else to blame. They have been trampling over the rights of other countries as well as their own people and we are coming to end it...it's only a matter of time.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by ultrageek
I added this to the other thread re: this also -

"U.S.: American Stealth Drone Shown on Iran TV Is a Fake"

ABCNews


This is propaganda.
Who knows who is really telling the truth.

Well, we can speculate
that is all we can do.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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The RQ-170 is very old technology and the internal components could only generously be described as sparse. From what I understand of the computer system, it would be almost impossible to "hack" the drone to purposely engage in a controlled crash.

In addition, the altitude of the drone is beyond the range of AA fire. I have read reports that the most likely situation is that the Iranians got word that the drone was stationed at Base X and positioned their newly acquired Russian electronic intelligence and jamming system known as “Avtobaza" along the border. Then they simply need to have border sentries watch the skies and hope for the best. This would also explain the 5 day lag between the crash and Iran announcing they had the drone. It took them that long to actually locate it after it went down.

This is only speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised at all if the intelligence supplied to Iran about the drone being stationed at Base X was actually supplied by the CIA. The RQ-170 is considered expendable (the main reason it was also used in the Usama Bin Laden raid for pre-intelligence) and would be the ideal candidate to insert a very sneaky and hidden trojan.

Basically the ideal would be let the Iranians have the outdated craft with its minimal software package, knowing they would try to reverse-engineer the code, they would infect their own systems and open the possibility of a back door being unlocked.

If this is the case, it really would be very clever.

Just my two cents on this developing story.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 





I seriously don't buy your posts. Who are you to say that Iran is a pathetic nation? You are American, right? I bet you don't even remember what the US did to Iran during the Shah years. Such things as enforcing a brutal dictatorship over a nation just for the sake of controlling that nations resources, tends to really strengthen the resolve of its people when they throw the dictator, and his imperialist ties, out of the country.


I remember.

We did the same thing to Iraq. Didn't end so well for them.


You mean before or after the US went into Iraq, killed indiscriminately, invoked a brutal sectarian civil war, and poisoned the population with depleted uranium?


False

seattletimes.nwsource.com...


Garbage source. We study Latin American in political studies because it's a major example of American imperialism inspiring socialist reform by oppressed classes. I could throw dozens of books your way that make out your little internet article to be nothing more than neoliberal propaganda. Seriously, Latin America is turning towards Obama? Riiiiight



Iran is a Russian Buffer State. Look at their equipment. All Russian. It's war profiteering.


That's a lie. Iran has weapons from Russia, China, the US, UK, as well as domestically built hardware.


If you love Iran so much, go tell their government to worry about their own country and build it up from the inside first, not trying to police the middle east and, in effect, become just like those it hates.


Umm.... Iran is building up its country from the inside, I recall it doing so ever since Mosadeq took the reigns.

Iran is trying to police the middle east? Wow, this coming from an American. This thread itself is about a CIA spy craft, more than likely being used to target Iranian sites, and you're accusing Iran of trying to police the middle east? What nerve



ultrageek-
I added this to the other thread re: this also -

"U.S.: American Stealth Drone Shown on Iran TV Is a Fake"

ABCNews


Anything to avoid the truth, eh?


LordOfArcadia-
The RQ-170 is very old technology...


Didn't you post the very same post in another thread? Doesn't make your "facts" more legitimate here. Again, I implore you to please explain what is actually considered new technology in deployment if the Sentinel is so old




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Iran would definitely flourish more than it already has if it wasn't for the fact that during the last decade, American forces have invaded the countries on both of Iran's borders while threatening to invade Iran itself.



How did taking out Saddam stop Iran from flourishing? If anything America helped Iran by taking out a government that had been a big thorn in Iran's side for many years. And I don't recall America threatening to ever invade Iran. Find me the link of a credible source to back that statement up.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by bruwin

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Iran would definitely flourish more than it already has if it wasn't for the fact that during the last decade, American forces have invaded the countries on both of Iran's borders while threatening to invade Iran itself.



How did taking out Saddam stop Iran from flourishing? If anything America helped Iran by taking out a government that had been a big thorn in Iran's side for many years. And I don't recall America threatening to ever invade Iran. Find me the link of a credible source to back that statement up.


EDIT: misread your post, so here is take 2:

First off, Iran has been a target by the US ever since the late 1970s. I'm talking even in the last days of the Shah, when he started to get serious about the "Persian Gulf" when the US started to call it something else. The CIA was again involved in another Iranian coup, but this was much more secret than the one that put the Shah in power. The ironic thing was that the US government thought that the Islamists who took power would play ball with them (hence why the CIA helped the Shah target the original major resistance group, the marxists).

And how has the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan threatened Iran? Is this not obvious? The fact that Iran is now surrounded by US forces on al sides but the Caspian sea is indicative. The fact that Iran has it's own banking system independent of neoliberal global financial elite is another reason why it is targeted. Further reasons include the fact that Russia and China support regimes in the middle east that are not compliant with the US, hence more reason to replace them.

And you don't recall the US ever threatening to invade Iran? You must live in a cave or something. The evidence has never been secret nor hidden so it's not my fault if you have never seen it.

But here's a link for your consumption: US clandestine operations in Iran (2006). I've post this article many times on ATS because it is from a credible source (an author who has even co-authored books with Noam Chomsky) and it has citations.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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You mean before or after the US went into Iraq, killed indiscriminately, invoked a brutal sectarian civil war, and poisoned the population with depleted uranium?


I mean before Saddam. When the British created the state (which by the way, is why none of these nations besides Iran have any sovereignty), the royalty wanted US aid to stop Communist riots. So we entered into a pact with Iraq which in many ways is one of the precursors to the Iraq War.

See you forget. We put these regimes in power to attempt to create some sort of actual sovereignty among the nations. You forget your history, so you just assume that the government that was last there was sovereign. Not so. The west created every nation in the Middle east. Even the current Iranian government is a byproduct of French influences in the Muslim world.

If you truly want things to return to sovereignty; return to an era true Islamic rule, it would mean going back in time 1000+ years to an era when the middle east was actually a chip off the Greek styled city state system, just with an overarching king.

There was an era when Muslims ruled Muslims with freedom and Democracy. Believe it or not, but the Golden Dome on the foots of the Jewish Temple was created to be a sort of unifying architecture for all peoples. That's why it's not a mosque, but a place for all people. At least that's what it was built for.

So yea. If you really want to go back to true nations ruling each other, it means going back in time. A long long time. Because the brief time after Rome and Seleucid is more or less the only time that region has known true independence.


But this is outside the topic.




Garbage source. We study Latin American in political studies because it's a major example of American imperialism inspiring socialist reform by oppressed classes. I could throw dozens of books your way that make out your little internet article to be nothing more than neoliberal propaganda. Seriously, Latin America is turning towards Obama? Riiiiight


Oh boy books. Anyone can write a book and lie. That's the cause of most problems today. I prefer actual data over the opinions of smooth talkers. If those governments were so great they wouldn't have collapsed.

People rebelling against imperialism is just as failed as the people who put forward imperialism. Two actions that have caused nothing but death and destruction. Just because one side is evil, doesn't make the other side good.




That's a lie. Iran has weapons from Russia, China, the US, UK, as well as domestically built hardware.


No, they primarily have equipment from Russia under their current regime, and American Hardware when they were our ally. Just reinforcing the fact that Iran is a victim of fear mongering and war profiteering.




Umm.... Iran is building up its country from the inside, I recall it doing so ever since Mosadeq took the reigns.


If that was true they'd have nuclear power decades ago and energy independence today. For goodness sake, it only took the Americans 4 years to build a bomb, a few years to make a power plant, and about a ten year span to put it to commercial grid use. Why else would it take Iran decades to do the same unless they weren't actually interested in it. Nuclear power for them seems to be like the electric car of America. All promises, no results.




Iran is trying to police the middle east? Wow, this coming from an American. This thread itself is about a CIA spy craft, more than likely being used to target Iranian sites, and you're accusing Iran of trying to police the middle east? What nerve


America isn't calling for the nuclear hell fire and destruction of nations. You can never trust theocratic types. I thought the crusades proved that point. Apparently the west learned where Iran didn't.




Anything to avoid the truth, eh?


When you have some experience in these matters then talk. I maintain that the drone looks fake. The reasons why have been posted.




Didn't you post the very same post in another thread? Doesn't make your "facts" more legitimate here. Again, I implore you to please explain what is actually considered new technology in deployment if the Sentinel is so old


No I did not actually, as evident by that not being my name to the quote. Do you read?

I said Iran has very old technology. Not that the drone was old technology. But I can certainly say it is old technology. It's a derivative of the RQ-3A 1996 project. A series of drones based, in totality, off designs as old as WW2, reequipped with new computers.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And you don't recall the US ever threatening to invade Iran? You must live in a cave or something. The evidence has never been secret nor hidden so it's not my fault if you have never seen it.

But here's a link for your consumption: US clandestine operations in Iran (2006). I've post this article many times on ATS because it is from a credible source (an author who has even co-authored books with Noam Chomsky) and it has citations.
edit on 8-12-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)


Your link is speculation and still doesn't mention a DIRECT threat by America to invade Iran.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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I heard about this a few days ago but now it is confirmed. They have published images and videos on Iranian television. Looks like a covert spy op.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Higher resolution images are now available.











From

theaviationist.com...

There have been claims that a video exists of the underside of what the Iranians are showing. If the footage exists it will go a long way to proving that it is more than a mock-up

edit on 8-12-2011 by tommyjo because: Additional info added



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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It's the wrong color. And it does look sort of like a really good fabrication. I just have to see a decent image of ours, which there are none that I know of.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by tommyjo
 


It's the wrong color. And it does look sort of like a really good fabrication. I just have to see a decent image of ours, which there are none that I know of.
How do you know what color it's supposed to be?

U.S. official: Iran does have our drone


(CBS News)

A U.S. official tells CBS News that there is "high confidence" that a captured American aircraft shown on Iranian television today is, in fact, one of this country's most sophisticated spy planes.

The Pentagon declined to comment, but the American official says analysis of the video confirms the RQ-170 unmanned drone was captured. Exactly how that happened is still being analyzed.



Originally posted by Freakshow
Scarletwhore.com can now confirm that a 2nd fighter jet had been shot down by a Chinese energy weapon… most likely a laser. This time it was an F18 from CFB Cold Lake Alberta.
Hi Freakshow, I can see you're new to ATS so you may not know that site is a hoax site, and that thread is in the hoax forum.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It would probably be best if you didn't cite anything from that site on ATS again, hoaxes are not welcome here.

Welcome to ATS.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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How do you know what color it's supposed to be?


The internet. Google images...Also the fact that virtually every drone ever displayed has been gray-blueish.



I am fully aware they have it. The question is, are they trying to look better than they are by saying they hacked into it and drove it down, where the reality is that they by chance shot at it and got lucky, but all they have left is a bunch of scrap.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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If that's the deception you wonder if they are trying to pull off, why would they change the color?



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