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Originally posted by Jepic
I think it has to do with the fact that space is outside of the jurisdiction of any country.
That's why we say airspace not space-space.
There is no international agreement on the vertical extent of sovereign airspace (the boundary between outer space— which is not subject to national jurisdiction— and national airspace), with suggestions ranging from about 30 km (19 mi) (the extent of the highest aircraft and balloons) to about 160 km (99 mi) (the lowest extent of short-term stable orbits). The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has established the Kármán line, at an altitude of 100 km (62 mi), as the boundary between the Earth's atmosphere and the outer space, while the United States considers anyone who has flown above 50 miles (80 km) to be an astronaut; indeed descending space shuttles have flown closer than 80 km (50 mi) over other nations, such as Canada, without requesting permission first.[1] Nonetheless both the Kármán line and the U.S. definition are merely working benchmarks, without any real legal authority over matters of national sovereignty.
Consider this:
Why isn't having spy satellites fly over a nation considered an act of war?
Do you have to be at a specific altitude when it becomes not an act of war? Say 100,000 ft?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by MrWendal
Sending a drone into Iran is an act of war.
This is very muddy water actually.
Consider this:
Why isn't having spy satellites fly over a nation considered an act of war?
Do you have to be at a specific altitude when it becomes not an act of war? Say 100,000 ft?
Originally posted by metaldemon2000
reply to post by muzzleflash
Mind you if ANY nation flew as much as a bunch of party balloons over us airspace they would be declaring war on said nation within minutes. Complete with accusations of wmd and terrorists.
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by metaldemon2000
Please don't play the "Iran is innocent" game. I'm sure if Iran did have the capability they'd more than willingly send a drone over U.S. airspace.
U.S. Jet Shoots Down Iranian Drone Over Iraq (Updated)
Iran Running Drone Competitions to Upgrade Unmanned Air Force
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Jepic
Wikipedia says they took control of it not shot it down.
You mean they hacked it and landed it?
That would actually be really cool because it would reveal a level of sophistication that no one expected Iran could muster.
But at the same time, it would be playing a good card too soon, and would allow NATO to totally re-devise their tactics and find a way to prevent it from happening again.
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by metaldemon2000
Please don't play the "Iran is innocent" game. I'm sure if Iran did have the capability they'd more than willingly send a drone over U.S. airspace.
U.S. Jet Shoots Down Iranian Drone Over Iraq (Updated)
Iran Running Drone Competitions to Upgrade Unmanned Air Force
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position, twisting his words or by means of [false] assumptions.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Originally posted by Jerisa
Didn't we have a thread on the USA drones being hacked awhile back? If Iran is playing the "yeah, we hacked ya" card, then who is in bed with Iran to do so considering we use Microsoft, hmm? Makes you wonder...
Originally posted by Jerisa
Didn't we have a thread on the USA drones being hacked awhile back? If Iran is playing the "yeah, we hacked ya" card, then who is in bed with Iran to do so considering we use Microsoft, hmm? Makes you wonder...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
A fleet of U.S. military drones on a Nevada Air Force base has been infected by a keylogger virus that tracks every key and button their pilots press, Wired.com reported Friday -- and top Air Force sources strongly contested. The virus was first noticed by officials at Creech Air Force Base nearly two weeks ago using the base's security system. It logged every keystroke of the pilots in the control room on the base as they remotely flew Predator and Reaper drones on missions over Afghanistan and other battle zones.
They're just computers, after all. "[The drones] are controlled by standard PCs," Ghosh told FoxNews.com. "None of this should be surprising." The system should be replaced or "re-imaged" with a virus-free, bit-for-bit copy of the data on the drive in order to get rid of the infection, he said.. "If they are connected to a larger network they will be infected again,"
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by metaldemon2000
reply to post by muzzleflash
Mind you if ANY nation flew as much as a bunch of party balloons over us airspace they would be declaring war on said nation within minutes. Complete with accusations of wmd and terrorists.
The Soviet Union used to do that all the time with their Bear bombers back in the day and I don't remember us ever declaring war on them, do you?edit on 12/4/11 by Ferris.Bueller.II because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by andy1972
Yet again they'e downed a drone...or have they really??
If i were the Iranians, considering the media bashing the world is giving me, i'd have that drone on tv with an angry mob dancing on top and burning flags in a propaganda coup..i'd be screaming "how can the world talk about me with the US illegally entering my airspace" etc etc etc.
Until i see it i still think its just another bit of sabre rattling between the two.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Before I am totally convinced I would also like to see some evidence.
Didn't we have a thread on the USA drones being hacked awhile back? If Iran is playing the "yeah, we hacked ya" card, then who is in bed with Iran to do so considering we use Microsoft, hmm? Makes you wonder...
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Jepic
Wikipedia says they took control of it not shot it down.
You mean they hacked it and landed it?
That would actually be really cool because it would reveal a level of sophistication that no one expected Iran could muster.
But at the same time, it would be playing a good card too soon, and would allow NATO to totally re-devise their tactics and find a way to prevent it from happening again.
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by metaldemon2000
reply to post by muzzleflash
Mind you if ANY nation flew as much as a bunch of party balloons over us airspace they would be declaring war on said nation within minutes. Complete with accusations of wmd and terrorists.
The Soviet Union used to do that all the time with their Bear bombers back in the day and I don't remember us ever declaring war on them, do you?edit on 12/4/11 by Ferris.Bueller.II because: (no reason given)