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Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Anyone militarily knowledgeable know how tough a target a drone is?
Originally posted by rubbertramp
source is rt news in this thread and presstv in the other.
man, somebody wake me up if it hits a more reliable source.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
muzzleflash- still though, what is the production/deployment cost of a Sentinel?edit on 4-12-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by rubbertramp
that's like saying i should take obama and company serious at every news conference.
i just don't trust media in general.
i'm not saying it didn't happen, i'm just saying stating something as fact before it's really prooven is jumping the gun.
in other words, you're saying rt and press tv have been 100% accurate in all of their reporting.
Originally posted by bruwin
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And I wonder how this news will be spun in the Western mainstream media. I bet, just like the other incidents, it'll just be ignored because the fact that the US is the aggressor here doesn't fit into the whole "Iran is a dangerous terrorist nuclear state that must be stopped" agenda.
Iran wants of whole race of people wiped of the face of the earth and America is the threat? Really? I think it's unfortunate that we are only sending drones over their air space. A squadron of B-52s would be much more appropriate.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Sending a drone into Iran is an act of war.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by MrWendal
Sending a drone into Iran is an act of war.
This is very muddy water actually.
Consider this:
Why isn't having spy satellites fly over a nation considered an act of war?
Do you have to be at a specific altitude when it becomes not an act of war? Say 100,000 ft?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by MrWendal
Sending a drone into Iran is an act of war.
This is very muddy water actually.
Consider this:
Why isn't having spy satellites fly over a nation considered an act of war?
Do you have to be at a specific altitude when it becomes not an act of war? Say 100,000 ft?
Originally posted by bruwin
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And I wonder how this news will be spun in the Western mainstream media. I bet, just like the other incidents, it'll just be ignored because the fact that the US is the aggressor here doesn't fit into the whole "Iran is a dangerous terrorist nuclear state that must be stopped" agenda.
Iran wants of whole race of people wiped of the face of the earth and America is the threat? Really? I think it's unfortunate that we are only sending drones over their air space. A squadron of B-52s would be much more appropriate.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by rubbertramp
that's like saying i should take obama and company serious at every news conference.
i just don't trust media in general.
i'm not saying it didn't happen, i'm just saying stating something as fact before it's really prooven is jumping the gun.
in other words, you're saying rt and press tv have been 100% accurate in all of their reporting.
No, actually I'm not. Thanks for the assumption though
Please explain to me what source is most reliable in reporting things that happen within Iran? Because I refuse to accept that any source within Iran is automatically lying because they are the perceived "bad guys".
PS: No news source or news article is 100% accurate, ever. That's just a utopian ideal.
Originally posted by GLaDOS
Originally posted by bruwin
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And I wonder how this news will be spun in the Western mainstream media. I bet, just like the other incidents, it'll just be ignored because the fact that the US is the aggressor here doesn't fit into the whole "Iran is a dangerous terrorist nuclear state that must be stopped" agenda.
Iran wants of whole race of people wiped of the face of the earth and America is the threat? Really? I think it's unfortunate that we are only sending drones over their air space. A squadron of B-52s would be much more appropriate.
Just because certain individuals said that, it doesn't mean the whole of Iran supports that... So if one person in the US says "i hate chinks", does that mean the US wants a wipe out China from the map?
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Maybe the drone ran out of fuel or malfuntioned,or like someone else mentioned-it could have been hacked?
Anyone militarily knowledgeable know how tough a target a drone is?
A variety of Chinese open source reporting suggests that China is developing an increasingly sophisticated understanding of US imagery collection capabilities and is steadily taking steps to evade both Western intelligence and commercial satellite and aerial reconnaissance. While Chinese military units for the past several years have carried out counter-reconnaissance drills during major exercises, this year reconnaissance and surveillance evasion emerged as a major training theme in Chinese military media and top level training guidance. Thus far, evasion methods are primarily passive -- emphasizing camouflage and deception --but a PRC commercial military magazine suggests that some "experts" in the field are advocating an ambitious future goal of developing active countermeasures that may include telemetry jamming and signals hacking.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by MrWendal
Sending a drone into Iran is an act of war.
This is very muddy water actually.
Consider this:
Why isn't having spy satellites fly over a nation considered an act of war?
Do you have to be at a specific altitude when it becomes not an act of war? Say 100,000 ft?
Perhaps the line here is between which recon action can result in direct retaliation or not. Realistically, satellites aren't going to be shot down and are just accepted as a fact of life. Drones are capable of being shot down. Simply sending something of yours into an enemy territory that can be intercepted is in itself, an intensification.
Thus, for example, an "expert" participating in the December interview with Bingqi Zhishi suggested that it was possible to electronically jam the "telemetry control signal" between the satellites and the ground control station to counter space-based imagery reconnaissance, citing a western press report on a "hacked" NATO satellite during its operation in Kosovo.
Originally posted by metaldemon2000
reply to post by rubbertramp
Either way the US has to stop playing world police. I'm super glad that this thing went down either way. I'd be terribly pissed if the US were flying drones around in my country. I would shoot the damn thing down myself.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Satellites can be hacked, and according to this it has already happened a long time ago.
(Source link in my last post).
Also several nations have the capability to shoot satellites down as well.
Iran shoots down American drone, state media says
A U.S. drone was shot down in eastern Iran, state media reported Sunday, citing a military source.
Press TV reported that the drone was "seized" by authorities after "minimum damage."
Attempts to reach U.S. officials for comment were not immediately successful.
In July, Iran's military made a similar claim, saying it downed a U.S. "spy drone" flying near its Fordo nuclear enrichment plant in Qom province. But Iran backtracked on the statement a few days later, saying the incident was actually part of a training exercise.