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Originally posted by AllUrChips
Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by AllUrChips
Frankly if Israel is dumb enough to attack Iran after being surrounded by groups like the brotherhood my sympathy would fall on no one but the innocent people of Israel. For their government to take such action under those circumstances would be comparable to suicide literally.
Well if some one threatened to wipe your race off the map, you would hate those people would you not?
Judge the government on its actions not by personal bias about what they might do....
Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by Trustme333
Well, one can certainly expect that the border to gaza will never be closed again.. *shrug*
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I wonder how nervous Isreal is getting....
.. I wonder how much influence Iran has with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by rogerstigers
First, there is no such thing as Christian religious law. And in the case of Jewish religious law, it is only binding on Jews who subscribe to religious law. Atheist Jews don't acknowledge it, and they are not affected by it. Even Orthodox Jews who do subscribe to it at most face the grueling corporeal punishment of being "Ostracized" and "excommunicated", and not getting their hands cut off, or being stoned to death, or hanged, for minor offences.
There is no parallel between religious law practiced in PRIVATE, and religious law institutionalized and enforced by the state.
Why don't you read up on what that means for minority religions, like Christianity and Judaism. Read the book "legacy of Jihad" or "Dhimmitude" by Bat Ye'or.
Judge the government on its actions not by personal bias about what they might do....
I oppose Islamic law BECAUSE of its injustice towards non-Muslim minorities, or "Dhimmis"....
If a Muslim would like to follow Sharia, feel free to do it. But there's no reason for me to support their religious rights when their religious rights deprives others of theirs.
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:62
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by Phantom28804
I do and have seen the speech for myself. Dig it up and see for yourself. Besisdes, even if he did not, they are surrounded by people chanting for their unholy demise. I know if all my neighbors were chanting death to me and threatining my family, I would not wait for them to attack me, but maybe thats just me. Besides, im not agreeing with the jews, I think they were dirty in the first place for taking land from the palestiniens. Doesnt mean that they should be wiped out.
9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
Having presented the verse in context, we can analyze it properly. Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context of the verse:
This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation period and relates to a limited context. Hostilities were frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area that was under Muslims rule; however, if they were to resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight back until victorious. One is inspired to note that even in this context of war, the verse concludes by emphasizing the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness. To minimize hostilities, the Qur’an ordered Muslims to grant asylum to anyone, even an enemy, who sought refuge. Asylum would be granted according to the customs of chivalry; the person would be told the message of the Qur’an but not coerced into accepting that message. Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, pp.52-53, emphasis added)
Well, what was suspected to happen has happened.
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by dontreally
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
It's pretty simple to understand. As long as they are fighting you then you are supposed to kill them. But if they lay down their arms then you stop fighting and let them go.
Besides Israel should be happy the Brotherhood won most of the votes because the Brotherhood hasn't been involved in any violence in quite a while. They actually lean towards moderation and democracy. Too bad the same can't be said for the bunch running Israel.
Originally posted by Phantom28804
Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by dontreally
9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
It's pretty simple to understand. As long as they are fighting you then you are supposed to kill them. But if they lay down their arms then you stop fighting and let them go.
Besides Israel should be happy the Brotherhood won most of the votes because the Brotherhood hasn't been involved in any violence in quite a while. They actually lean towards moderation and democracy. Too bad the same can't be said for the bunch running Israel.
I tried to find a good source for this because I didn't want something slanted, but the best I could find is this.
www.liveleak.com...
I have to say if that is true then they aren't being quite so peaceful.