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Originally posted by tkwasny
What exists when there is no consciousness present to witness it. When it (an absolute) is observed, it is the interpretations and changes caused by that observers sensory and computational devices that only modifies the consciousness of that Truth, but cannot affect the composition of it.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
The universal nature of truth you ask?
The universal nature of truth is that it is shamed, ridiculed, beaten, and mercilessly put to death. Only after being reborn through such a trial does one come to accept something as truth.
Our conscience would have it no other way.
Originally posted by Mazedays
The only real truths to us as people are the natural turth's,information used to exist/coexist/survive with mother nature.
Everything else is a perception in peoples mind.
Originally posted by N3v3rmor3
unfortunately today there is no truth but the truth which is held within ourselves
Originally posted by dontreally
Whats the point in this... Can any objective answer be given? If it could be given, or if every opinion is equally valid, then you would have to vanquish all trace of emotionalism from your mind. Forget what you want to believe, and look.
It's impossible to truly know 'the universal nature of truth', since that would first require knowing God. Since none of us are God, none of us can know with complete certainty the 'nature of truth'
I personally believe in a creator of the universe. I think the very milieu in which we experience ourselves, this world of space, implies something about the nature of reality. Dualism. There's myself, and there's the "other". There's "me", and there's "God". I move and live within God - the other. And God/The Other, by his creation of this realm - physicality - has enabled the concept of relationship to exist, between Himself (or what He reveals of Himself to man, who is always forced to rely on abstractions and attributes when speaking of God) and man, who is paradoxically, existing only by virtue of Gods will that he exist as a separate being.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by N3v3rmor3
If truth can be said to be anything, it is paradoxical, and if the Human mind wants to find respite it anything, it has to be in paradox.
For instance, God is both in complete control, and therefore, determines everything that happens, but we also have complete free will. This is an ancient issue of theology. How can Determinism and Free Will co-exist? Well, they do. From our perspective, we don't know, so therefore, it is relevant.
So while i agree that we can't ever know for sure, I'm not advocating nihilism, or cynicism, because I think if anything, those paths are to be the most avoided because of their sheer nullification of the signs all around us.
Also, to get a fuller view, study the various religions(and their esoteric dimensions): Judaism-Kabbalah, Islam-Sufism, Christianity-Gnosticism, Hinduism-Vedanta, Buddhism, Zen, etc...There's a lot of interesting ideas out there, and it's worth looking.
While man can't know God, on his own, God can and does make himself known to man. This poses an issue for many religious because there appears to be more then one revelation, and thus a 'relativism' of a sorts, where one universal truth applies to one group of people, which is like an atomized version of the whole, while another will have a totally different revelation. The only way to resolve such a contradiction is to accept the paradoxical essence that is God. He can make two things live together. And so can we, by being tolerant.
Originally posted by -W1LL
Truth ? universal? nature?
as one poster said LOVE, as another poster said truth is in nature...
I feel these are both great answeres although short so i will elaborate...
Truth can not and is not defined by man truth is life love and the pursuit thereof!
we seek truth but do we actually live it? most sadly do not.
the universal truth is not something you can find it just is and when you live your life this way you become a sort of truth, its in our souls in our actions good and bad.
the only universal truth is death and consequently LIFE...edit on 12/3/2011 by -W1LL because: sp
Originally posted by tgidkp
there most certainly is an absolute truth. but it is not a noun. it is a verb.
and so, one must ask: what type of action or activity does "truth" describe?
the answer will always come in the form of the construction of relational systems. the truth thus marries seemingly disparate pieces of information into abstract "wholes", and in so doing, amplifies itself. ("itself", meaning "self referential" or "recursive" feedback/feedforward.)
real pieces into virtual wholes = truth.
what is really wonderful is that if you map this onto existing physics models, you will find that the truth is the omega-point (telepathy) at the "end of time" propagating backwards in linear time from the future. the opposite of entropy, or in other words, reverse causality.
edit on 3-12-2011 by tgidkp because: duh