Iran moves from "Destroy Israel!" to "Destroy all the Jews!"

reply to post by seabag


bawwwwwh, little israel wants more attention so usa can go to (yet) another war?

Originally posted by psyop911
reply to post by seabag

 

bawwwwwh, little israel wants more attention so usa can go to (yet) another war?

Errr no, rather, the west tries to make you realize an attack on Iran will soon happen, and let you know and understand why is it going to happen.

Why? So later on people like you won't come to ATS to cry about it.

reply to post by seabag


So what about all the Jews living peacefully in Iran? Surely if Iran wanted to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, they would start with the ones in their own country... Pretty sure that hasn't happened, I say this whole article is complete BS.

Jewish community in Iran is almost entirely composed out of Neturei Karta occultists (Who?), which is no surprising as it serves both ways for the Iranian government: Not only they get to say "hey, 25k Jews live peacefully in Iran!", they can also credit their own Jewish citizens for being absolutely anti Israel.

Jewish population in Iran was bigger than 100,000 before 1970. Saying it's 25,000 now is supposed to show how tolerant the Iranians are? Don't make me laugh.
The other 75% and more of the Jewish population that somehow vanished from Iran had most probably nothing to do with Neturei Karta and was unwelcome.

You wanna talk about tolerance?
Try taking numbers on Israel. Arabs Israeli territories before 1970, and now. Muslim Sudanese refugees before 1970 (0?) and now. Then say something about being tolerant.

It must be Gas Chambers the Iranians are constructing not Nuclear Missiles. There is a large Jewish community in Iran who will no doubt be first to try them out.

There are 25,000 Persian Jews in Iran, and there are 250,000 Persian Jews in Israel.

Originally posted by ollncasino


There is no hatred in the Quran. There are simply warnings.

No hatred in the Koran towards Jews?

Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Allah curses those that invent lies about him, believe in idols and false deities, claim to be more rightly guided, or whatnot (like the Christians and Jews). 4:50-52

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166

Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5

Skeptics Annotated Quran

By the way, the above Annotations are derived from the very respected translation of the Koran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall.

Those quotes are not from Pickthall's translations but one must not judge Muslims too harshly for being careful about the Christ killers. My understanding is that Muslims and Christian view the ancient Jews as a the killers of God's prophets; 2000 of them. The Muslim prophet Mohammed was constantly dealing with assassins sent by the Jews of Arabia.

Those ancient Jew assassins were very much like travelling Mossad Kidon units. A Jew is permited to kill a Goy if he poses an existential threat even if that threat is in the delusional mind of the killer.

It is always worth placing the comment of today's zionist Jews in context and the truth will ring.

reply to post by targeting


I dont hate the 3 countries. but i do wish the US would stay out of that region.

Originally posted by bigyin
It must be Gas Chambers the Iranians are constructing not Nuclear Missiles. There is a large Jewish community in Iran who will no doubt be first to try them out.

There are 25,000 Persian Jews in Iran, and there are 250,000 Persian Jews in Israel.

edit on 4-12-2011 by bigyin because: I'm obviously anti-semetic

Once again - how does the fact that 25K jews (Neturei Karta) live in Iran changes anything?

If you want to talk about their Jewish community, atleast do so in an objective manner.

Before 1970 there were more than 100,000 Jews in Iran. From your own link, which you have edited out for some reason (I wonder why :@@
Here

Iran's Jewish population was reduced from 100,000–150,000 in 1948 to about 80,000 immediately before the Iranian Revolution, due mostly to immigration to Israel. While immigration to Israel had slowed in the 1970s and the Jewish population of Iran had stabilized, the majority of Iran's remaining Jews left the country in the aftermath of the overthrow of the Shah. The current Jewish population of Iran is estimated by most sources to be 25,000

Ok, so the 25K Jews is a figure that is constantly decreasing.

Iranian population is 75,330,000 as of 2011. So the Jewish community in Iran is something between 0.0004% and 0.0003% of the general population, while this number is constantly decreasing.

Now compare this to another country.. say.. Israel for example.
Israeli demographics
In 1970, there were around 310,000 Arabs which composed 11.50% of the Israeli population (3,090,000).
In 1995, there were around 702,000 Arabs which composed 15.21% of the Israeli population (4,680,000)
in 2000, there were around 1,006,400 Arabs which composed 16.8% of the Israeli population (6,290,000)

And those figures are constantly increasing.

Therefore, either:
*Stop mentioning the 25K Jews living in Iran as if it is a demographic miracle or a very tolerant behavior of the Iranian government.
*Stop saying Israeli is an oppressive/racist regime.
Or, most importantly..
*Stop mentioning any of these while discussing a topic with hardly any relevance to this demographic issue!


I'm sorry for this vile derailing of the original topic but something has to be done to shut this "LOLZ 25K JEWS IN IRAN IM RIGHT UR WRONG" idiocy that is looming around here.

people, non muslims need to realize they the muslums believe deeply in their faith and will literally die for it. They are not afraid of america or any other country, they believe in their Allah-God, they want to die to go to paradise. The have declared Jihad against non muslims-infidels and will go to every extreme to end the non muslim life. They ae making their nutcase Mohammads predictions happen. These peole are a cult and dangerous, spreading throughout the world and no one is stopping them. Hopefully america pulls a hero out of her pockets in the next elections to change this situation

reply to post by lbndhr

This is just wrong, not all Muslims are fundamentalist, I know many and they are decent people.
Heck you get fundamentalist people in every faith. Also remember history and you will find that the Christians tried to make everyone Christian.
I talk to a mate of mine who is a Muslim and he hates this view, he blames the media for just telling lie's and putting every Muslim in the same boat as the Fundamentalists.
Also you said they are making their "nutcase" Mohammed's predictions come true? well it's seems to me that Christians are trying to make their Apostle John's predictions come true, they are all bad because it means most of us die....
Like I have said before just because it is written in some book it doesn't mean we should let it happen or strive to make sure it happens.

reply to post by lbndhr


Seeing as how you're so well educated about Muslims and Islam it would coem as no surprise to you that Islam only forbids muslims to be aggressive when they are required to defend their faith.

Don't start a fight you can't finish would be the lesson here.

reply to post by Gorman91

I don't think Zionism actually is different than Judaism. How can you be a Jew without being a Zionist. That's like being a Christian and thinking Jesus wasn't God's son. It's sort of what you have to believe to be part of it.

You can be a Jew without being a Zionist. Jews against Zionism are a great example. It's amazing how easily people forget this when it's convenient to their beliefs. You have been tricked my friend.

If you're interested in informing yourself, it's even possible to be a Zionist without even being Jewish. If you don't believe me look up Christian Zionism. It's very real, and it's another example that proves how you much you have bee misinformed.

No need to thank me, clearing up this misinformation you have been tricked into believing is the only reward I seek

reply to post by seabag


I can quickly counteragrue this by stating the fact that Israel and its western pals are doing the exact same thing right now. Key word DOING. NWO baby in full force. Exterminate all non-white/non-judeochristian peoples from the earth so the capitalist agenda can continue further on in the future.

Israel is scared of being wiped off the map so i do empathize with them. But im sick of my country...USA...being dragged into mindless wars to keep that from happening. Whether this is anti-semitism or anti-muslimism....this conflict will be the worst the world has ever seen...just keep that in mind. Doesnt matter which side you support, because they dont support you...a representative of the human population. They strive to kill to get what THEY want, not what WE want. So strap on your hard hats, make sure you have your survival gear bought and ready for action by next year...because something is on the horizon and its not good.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by lifttheveil

 

Lol, your deluding yourself if you think The Qur’an is any more violent, sickening and gobbledegook than the christian bible. Personally I think they're both hogwash

That statement right there shows you just how ignorant you are of the "christian bible". The "Christian bible" is the new testament, not the old testament. We follow the new covenant and nowhere in it is written anything about exterminating anyone. Christ preached forgiveness and loving your enemies like you love your friends.

Personally i am going to opt out of anything to do with Israel, Iran or Palestine/Jordan or whatever you want to call it. That whole mess is more trouble than it is worth and more drama and i hate drama. Drama is the lady that lives next door who has a different man at her house everynight.

OK that's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not the opinion of the general christian belief, which is why both the old and new testaments are BOTH together and make up the Holy Bible and both are preached in church. Sure, Christians like to separate from the depravity and murderous god of the old testament but I thought your belief is that god is changeless?

reply to post by seabag


All extremist groups are bad. Both Jihad and Zionism have there own agendas.

There are inocent muslims and innocent jews caught in the cross fire.

I know alot of Jews that don't support the zionist agenda. The same can be said for muslims.

This whole situation is very complex and certainly not black or white.

As for Palestine and Israel. I am not sure who to support. As a christian I know there are alot of Christians who support Israel due to Israel becoming a nation again in 1948 (Ezekiel prophecy being fulfilled) but I not totally convinced of supporting the Zionist regime as I know they have done alot of bad things. Also I hear that alot of ultra-Orthodox Jews constantly spit on Christians in the holy land which I wonder why that is? Does that mean I should support Israel and not Palestine since the ultra-Orthodox Jews support Iran? I am confused.

www.haaretz.com...

reply to post by ollncasino


Your quote, "Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66"

Real quote, ""And certainly you have known those among you who transgressed in (the matter of) the Sabbath. So, We said to them, "Become apes, living in disgrace!' Thus, We made it a deterrent for those around and after them -- and a lesson for the God-fearing." (2: 65-66)"

Surah al-Baqarah (2), Verses 65-66 is about Jews who do not obey the Sabbath. The Quran is re-affirming the importance of Jewish religious ritual.

Your quote, "Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47"

4:47 - it is completely made up and untruthful quotation by you.

Your quote, "Allah curses those that invent lies about him, believe in idols and false deities, claim to be more rightly guided, or whatnot (like the Christians and Jews). 4:50-52"

4:50-52 is a reference from the Bible book of John, " 50 Jesus replied, "You may go. Your son will live." The man took Jesus at his word and departed. 51 While he was still on the way, his servants met him with the news that his boy was living. 52 When he inquired as to the time when his son got better, they said to him, "The fever left him yesterday at the seventh hour."

Muslim distinguish between Jews and Christians and do not pair the religions like you do. Muslims believe in Jesus, the Virgin Mary but Jews slander and curse them.

Your quote, "Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13"

Real quote, "So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good."

The Bible refers to Jews that defied God's will and they were cursed. Surat Al-Mā'idah 5:12-13 refers to this abuse of the Covenant and how God blesses those Jews that stuck to it.

Your quote, "Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96"

Real quote, "And you will surely find them the most greedy of people for life - [even] more than those who associate others with Allah . One of them wishes that he could be granted life a thousand years, but it would not remove him in the least from the [coming] punishment that he should be granted life. And Allah is Seeing of what they do."

This sura refers to money lenders and usurers. I think the world economy today can attest to the evils of usury bankers. Jesus physically attacked the money lenders at the temple for their evil ways. It is God's will that human being fight evil and usury is evil.

I will not expose your deception anymore. I think I have shown you to be untruthful and a bigot with an axe to grind.

Stop lying about Muslims. The world has bigger problems.

reply to post by dontreally

Do you think the converse would occur, a Jew, speaking out against Iran, on Iranian TV? In a theocratic, Islamic society??? Ya... So Objective. So trustworthy.

Newsflash Einstein, it's Australian TV, not Iranian

I'm not going to bother quoting your lies about Debka and Memri being trustworthy sources. It's rather amusing watching your futile attempts to twist obvious lies into portraying the truth.

I watched your propaganda piece and I find it laughable that you would try to use that to defend your side of the argument. It's a new low every day with you.

You are a very immoral person corruption exposed

I love the insults

It appears more then enough fools here eat up your propaganda. Unfortunately.

What you call foolish, the rest of the world calls moral values based on logic and goodwill.

So what's your opinion of this Iranian film "Sabbath hunter", where a Jewish Rabbi is depicted as a nefarious gentile hater saying, in one scene (the grandson says to his rabbi) "But Rabbi, i thought Murder was against the Law" and the Rabbi Grandfather answers: "Its only against the law to kill Jews".. In yet another scene, the Rabbi exhorts his grandson to "build a war machine and destroy the world". So, what are we to make of this? How friendly an attitude does Iran take to Jews, when they're making films like this, depicting the Jews you say they love, as murderers and villains?

When you grow up a little and learn how to debate like an adult I will humor your requests to watch more of your propaganda pieces just so I can shred those apart too. Until then I will just continue to point out your lies and contradictions.

Are people really still defending Israel and it's policies?

This is astounding. So the East distributes it's own propaganda...seeing as how most Jews define Israel as a Jewish nation is it any wonder people are speaking out against the Jews?

How long did you think you were going to get away with it before people started speaking against you, you've brought it on yourself.

Iran is perfect in its rights to defend itself and let's face it...

We are all fully aware it'll be Israel that strikes first.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

And c'mon, it is not like Muslims don't have ENOUGH land... right?...

Are you kidding me?

Since Muslims have "enough land" as it is, it's okay for soldiers who are armed with loaded guns to show up at your house in the middle of the night with a bulldozer and leave you homeless?

That's exactly what you're supporting. It's this absurd mentality that makes the Iranian Jews hesitant to even step foot in Israel, they see it for what it is.

You can continue to ignore the facts but Iran doesn't hate Jews.

reply to post by nusnus


THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

www.templemount.org...

If this is the case, why are Muslims pushing so hard to return land to the Palestinians?