American Jews shocked as essence of Zionism is exposed

Saturday, December 3 2011|Yossi Gurvitz

this is concerning those ads run about marrying american jews.
this is actually important, especially to those who think they understand zionism along with those who tend to classify jews and zionist in the same catagory.
mods, i hope the c&p wasn't to long, i really didn't want to give anyone the chance to take something out of context.

There was nothing particularly new about the ads which so shocked American Jewry. They simply exposed a face of Zionism most American Jews rather not see.
In the last few days there has been a hullabaloo about several ads published by the Ministry of Aliyah Absorption (not, as it is often referred to, “Immigration Absorption”; more on this below). Much of it was the result of Jeffrey Goldberg getting annoyed and claiming that “Netanyahu’s government suggests Israelis avoid Marrying American Jews.”

Netanyahu, being Netanyahu, did what he knows best: He immediately ordered the ministry responsible to put down those ads, and outreached to American leaders in order to convince them he is still their friend. Naturally, such cravenness would not play well among the Israeli public, so Netanyahu avoided saying anything about the mess to the Israeli press – which, of course, did not like learning about it from the American press.

Admittedly, this is somewhat unfair to Netanyahu. For starters, they have nothing to do with him. They were produced by the Ministry of Aliyah Absorption (on which, immediately), held by Israel Beitenu’s (Liberman’s party) Sopha Landver. Netanyahu himself once married an American woman (his second marriage), so they most certainly are not directed at him.

Secondly, and most importantly, those ads show the essence of Zionism. The main concept of Zionism is that Jewish life, outside of their national homeland, is the life of an invalid. They cannot be truly Jewish life since they lack the national element of Judaism. Jews can only be fully Jews when they live in Israel. An early Zionist writer, Yehuda Pinsker, compared the lives of diaspora Jews to that of the undead, and went further on to say anti-Semitism is a natural response to the unnatural existence of deracinated Diaspora Jews.

Accordingly, Zionism views Jewish life abroad with disdain. This is reflected in the language: A Jew who immigrates to Israel is called an “oleh,” literally someone who transcends; One who emigrates from Israel is called a “yored,” literally someone going down. Hence, the need for an a ministry who will cater to the needs of Jews who “make aliyah” – The Ministry of Aliyah Absorption. Incidentally, it is extremely difficult for a non-Jew to immigrate to Israel.

Israeli Jews, particularly the hardcore Zionists, view Diaspora Jews with thinly veiled contempt, which erupts to the surface from time to time – such as when former President Weizman called upon American Jews to leave the US and come to Israel, and so fulfill their destiny, or when the author A.B. Yohoshua told American Jews in 2006 that “Outside of Israel, Judaism cannot exist. You are dealing with a Judaism of plug and play… You switch identities as you change your jackets… If China becomes stronger than the US, you would all move to China.” This is not particularly new: The Palestine/Israel branch of the historic Zionist movement always considered Zionists living in Israel to be superior to Jews living in the Diaspora, and considered Diaspora Jews not as independent human beings but rather as Zionist building blocks. Nowhere was this more evident that in Ben Gurion’s famous saying, that if he had to choose between a million Jewish children being saved by being sent to Britain or just half of them saved, but sent to Palestine, he would choose the latter. For hardcore Zionists, Diaspora Jews are failures; They can only be redeemed by joining our armed ghetto.

Therefore, the very idea of an Israeli Jew leaving the country and joining the Diaspora is disgusting to Israeli Zionists, particularly the older ones. Former PM Rabin called them “a residue of cowards.” For most Zionists, the idea of an Israeli Jew losing himself and his hard-won identity in the Diaspora, basically spitting on all that Zionism fought for, is loathsome. Hence the ads: They are trying to save Israeli Jews from sinking to the level of “regular Jews,” or, God forbid, “assimilating” with the gentiles.

Naturally enough, most Zionists did not put it exactly this way to American Jews – Weizman and Yohoshua were exceptional in their bluntness. Many American Jews would be surprised how many Israelis hold them in contempt – unless, as Goldberg did, they do the Zionist thing, move over to Israel and pass our ritual of passage, service in the IDF. Those who do that are considered heroes – people who have left the soft Diaspora behind and joined Israelis in their increasingly bitter quest for revenge on history. As a result, Goldberg may never have faced those sentiments.

But they exist, they predominate (though, among the younger Israelis, they are speedily waning), and there is nothing new about them. They were dominant even before Israel existed, when “those who stormed Canaan” called Diaspora Jews, survivors of the Holocaust, with cruelty they would take decades to fully digest, “soapies.”

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reply to post by rubbertramp


Most readers will see the article for what it is.....myself on the otherhand know there is so much more to it. There are elements of this article I agree with and there are elements of the article I'm in total disagreement. By saying that, I know exactly what is behind it and why; to try reasoning why I say that would take an anormous amount of time to explain and could'nt possibly be understood by most non-Jews and no doubt many Jews both in diaspora and Israel but it sure will make a great debate among my friends and family.

It's not what was printed in the article, it's what was not printed that's behind it; it did'nt take me long to figure it out what they're really worried about and it's for a number of reasons thats all tied in together.

reply to post by bluemirage5


in other words it's a private matter you wish not to discuss?
i'm not sure i understand your meaning.

Surely it cannot be solely down to a desire for ethnicity, certainly the european Zionists were a mixed bag, and so will their offspring. Anyway going back to biblical times, and before they were not considered a race. It's also kind of ironic that as exiles, or in this case as emigrants these people should be regarded as being comfortable, look at the way exiles were treated in the 20th century alone, the ghettos, the pogroms, the genocide. Zionists should have no say over other Jews. In regard to secularism, neither Zionists, or the state of Israel as it today should be nurturing that idea either, they should know better than anyone how nation states treated their aliens in the past. All religion is steeped in such intellectual gobbldegook, and all the nitpicking that goes with it.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Lets put it this way, this will become a "private" matter among all sections of the Jewish communities both in Diaspora and inside Israel.

In the mean time, some of those Israeli politicians want to keep their mouths shut for once in their bloody lives.

reply to post by smurfy


Awwwww, there is such more more to it than you could possibly even touch down on.

The truth of the matter is there are two main forms of Jewish Zionism, you only hear about one of them and unfortunately it rares it's ugly head from time to time.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Then there are many divergent views in Judaism, so much so that one form may consider another form as not Jewish. This particular Zionist 'lecture' is an attempt in the same vein to create castes, not very useful when trying to embrace converts to Judasim.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Lets put it this way, this will become a "private" matter among all sections of the Jewish communities both in Diaspora and inside Israel.

In the mean time, some of those Israeli politicians want to keep their mouths shut for once in their bloody lives.

fair enough.

Originally posted by smurfy
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Then there are many divergent views in Judaism, so much so that one form may consider another form as not Jewish. This particular Zionist 'lecture' is an attempt in the same vein to create castes, not very useful when trying to embrace converts to Judasim.

edit on 3-12-2011 by smurfy because: (no reason given)

this is where it can get confusing.
even my grandfather considered himself a bit of a zionist. moved and lived in israel for 10 years.
he was surprised when he discovered that he was not really part of the upper class and was not welcome.
kinda' got out when he realized he was basically just a 'footsoldier'.
his words, not mine.

Its a really hard subject to get ones mind around ....As a Christian I am allowed to have a different perspective on ,what might be going on behind the scene ...I listened to James Corbetts interview with Sibel Edmonds ...There seems to be a very nasty sort of Zionism operating behind the curtain...Once one realizes this ,it makes it a little easier to get a picture ....the podcast is well worth listening to IMO ...peace...
Today we talk to Sibel Edmonds of BoilingFrogsPost.com about her recent article, “US-NATO-Chechen Militia Joint Operations Base.” We discuss the American financing, funding and protection of Islamic terrorists in Central Asia, the history of Turkish links with the CIA, the heart of Edmonds’ gagged whistleblower story, and the real endgame for the competing world powers in the Caucasus www.corbettreport.com...

reply to post by smurfy


I'll touch on a couple of things that has the Israeli Govt up in arms......

Firstly, keeping the numbers in the IDF is crucial for the survival of Israel. Many Israelis, mainly the Ashkenazis, are able to obtain dual citizenship of other countries because of their parents and grandparents who were born in Europe. Most Sephardic & Mizrachi Jews (Middle Eastern & North African) can not so they look for a foreign link, meaning marrying Jews of Diaspora even if it means marrying Gentile women to get their "passport" out of Israel. These marriages fail for the most part due to cultural conflicts, but unintentionally have created a whole new community of those who are between two worlds and they're keeping quiet. That's a hint.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by smurfy

 

I'll touch on a couple of things that has the Israeli Govt up in arms......

Firstly, keeping the numbers in the IDF is crucial for the survival of Israel. Many Israelis, mainly the Ashkenazis, are able to obtain dual citizenship of other countries because of their parents and grandparents who were born in Europe. Most Sephardic & Mizrachi Jews (Middle Eastern & North African) can not so they look for a foreign link, meaning marrying Jews of Diaspora even if it means marrying Gentile women to get their "passport" out of Israel. These marriages fail for the most part due to cultural conflicts, but unintentionally have created a whole new community of those who are between two worlds and they're keeping quiet. That's a hint.

edit on 4-12-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

What is the legal situation for dual citizenship in Israel? so few people know about that area in regards to any country, and in regards to being pressed into service, that's a grey area in most countries, and can be contested in court. Would it not have been better to say that those who live in Israel and who refuse to join the Israeli military, have their fundaments in their religious views, but that there are those whose live in a pretext of being fundamentalists, but to say that doesn't make sense, without making the case for the advantages of wanting to live in Israel as a fundamentalist Jew, or a pretender for that matter.