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Senate approves bill legalizes sodomy and bestiality in US military

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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Call me uneducated if you want to but what I am reading. Repeal of the article not only repeals the law against sodomy and bestiality but also repeals the part of under the age of 16 and force. It appears that now the military are allowed to use any type of sex act upon children and by force on anyone at anytime without penalty of military law. Which makes perfect sense considering the implementation of the actual bill itself. The desire to allow torture without penalty of law now being discussed. Anything goes is without penalty seems to be the blueprint of the worlds new Democracy. Welcome to the NWO.




posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Not sure... but is this the same bill that states its okay for the military to arrest, detain, or even assassinate US citizens on our own soil?

no wonder they had to repeal the sodomy ban... they sure are givin it to us!!!



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
** thats the title of the article ... not my title.

Senate approves bill legalizes sodomy and bestiality in US military


The Senate on Thursday evening voted 93-7 to approve a defense authorization bill that includes a provision which not only repeals the military law on sodomy, it also repeals the military ban on sex with animals--or bestiality.

On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee had unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Article 125 of the UCMJ makes it illegal to engage in both sodomy with humans and sex with animals.


Didn't see this discussed elsewhere.
If it's already up .. please disregard.

So is this for real?? I understand the repreal of the 'sodomy' thing. It's about time. Long overdue as far as I'm concerned. But approval of bestiality?? Did the senate really open up approval of that? Isn't bestiality animal cruelty? I googled and couldn't find anything on this ...

edit on 12/3/2011 by FlyersFan because: edited to say that's the title of the article - not my title.


ireport.cnn.com... (US passes the ability for the military to round up people on our own soil.)

Yeah, its for REAL. Its strategic...

Well...its official. This IS the Anti-Christ nation. Vote for this system, and you might as well count yourselves in with the full support, and authorization of your own sodomization. Given the fact that the U.S. military now has full permission to arrest and detain anyone that they want, this is an open door to when they choose to do that...for them to do WHATEVER THEY WANT to YOU. Getting it yet???

If you still vote and support this system then you might as well be supporting your own sodomy. And if people don't get it through their heads, they're going to end up on the chopping block.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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YES, THIS BILL ALSO INCLUDES THE SUSPENSION OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a new member and cannot start a new thread, (if someone has not yet started a thread with the above title, along with the OP's info) PLEASE DO SO

Here is a copy of an email we received this morning. It is the same bill.


Dear NaturalNews readers,

In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America.
This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a "battleground" upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.
It's being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn't apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans "if we want it to."

Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:
...the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”

www.wired.com...
The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the "legitimate assassination" of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!

If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we've been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law,you have no rights whatsoever in America -- no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.

Read my red alert warning on this urgent development at:
www.naturalnews.com...
... and watch this urgent interview with Alex Jones of InfoWars.com at:
www.infowars.com...

The mainstream media is engaged in a shameful and conspiratorial news blackout of this entire issue:
www.businessinsider.com...
... and even the ACLU is outraged about this potential law:
www.aclu.org...

Are you getting all this? Do you realize America is about to be overrun by our own military?

The rule of law is about to be utterly destroyed. No due process. No legal representation. Not even a right to know what you're being charged with when you are (indefinitely) detained.

This is an urgent time for action to protest the overreaching military police state in America. Immediately call your representatives in Washington and urge your House members to reject this bill in the reconciliation phase with the Senate. Call the office of the President and urge Obama to veto this bill if it is passed by both houses.

Call your local newspapers and protest this outrageous and traitorous attempt to nullify the entire Bill of Rights.

Do not be fooled by the trolls and disinfo agents who claim this bill does not apply to U.S. citizens -- a fact which has already been established without question. If this is signed into law, military humvees will roll down the streets in U.S. cities, with gunpoint checkpoints, illegal arrests, secret torture operations and the outright murder of U.S. citizens right in their own home towns.

In observing all this, you might ask WHY is this happening right now? Why would the U.S. Senate deliberately nullify the Bill of Rights and seek the authorize military action on the streets of U.S. cities?

The answer, my friends, will not comfort you: A global economic collapse is coming, and once started, it will likely unleash a wave of social unrest and rioting that could burn many U.S. cities to the ground. The U.S. Senate is probably trying to rush authorization of the military to operate in American cities before the economic collapse arrives, thereby placing troops deep within the roughest U.S. cities where they stand a chance at halting the runaway riots that are sure to materialize when peoples' life savings vanish as the banks collapse.

Keep reading NaturalNews.com for updates on this situation. We will continue to cover the Eurozone economic crisis as well as this Senate bill 1867, which is not yet law. Our last-ditch hope would be for Obama to veto it. We'll issue a red alert if that action is needed...

And remember, folks, the Bill of Rights protects us all -- liberals, conservatives, libertarians, agnostics, Christians, Jews, everybody! If you lose the Bill of Rights, you lose America and all the freedoms many generations have fought for. Right now protecting the Bill of Rights is perhaps the single most important thing we can do for our collective futures.

All of us who have been screaming about the importance of the U.S. Constitution have been trying to protect YOU from exactly this kind of scenario. The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights is to limit the power of government so that this kind of Senate action is never allowed.

__________________________________________________________

BIBREV responds


Shalom Terri

Dozens of Sites are copying this report.

The report actually mentions that it seems to be geared at terrorists – but could of course be used against citizens also.

This is not a new strategy. It has already been followed since 9/11, when brutal financial control was initiated via the Banks, worldwide. Under the banner of “Know your client”, the Banks became the guardians of governments over people’s money, under the cloak of “stopping terrorist money laundering and funding”. These rules ensure that the Banks have the personal details and registration of their clients and their money to the finest details – try and open a Bank account and see. Try and call up an investment or even an insurance policy maturity or surrender pay-out and see.

The real lurking danger in all these controls is: God help us if the wrong elements gain rulership control – as the USA is facing with this Obama. There used to be an emergency rule on the books that the ruling president, in a serious emergency, could take over the entire rule of the country with one signature, that is, army, air force, navy, economic structures, the lot!

We are busy with an analysis of another super scary scenario, religiously, which also fits in with this overall horror scenario. But, we avoid speculating or running with rumours – we need time to first get our facts together. Will keep you informed.

edit on 4-12-2011 by BelieveInEnoch because: A call for someone to start a new thread with new info



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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''A human who is swiftly killed does not feel much pain. Having sex with a human, on the other hand, may be stressful and even painful for the person, depending on the consequences, and may look more like rape.''

So, according to your argument, murdering and cannibalising someone is ''justifiable'', yet statutory rape is not.

Very peculiar.


Maybe you should stop comparing humans and animals in this way, society is deeply specieist. In humans, it is the act of depriving a human being of life that is considered immoral, in addition to suffering. In animals, it is the suffering of an animal that is widely considered immoral, not necessarily end of its life. Which is why there are lots of criminal laws against animal cruelty, but none against the act of killing of an animal itself.




Is killing and eating sentient mammals, when other more ethical food sources are freely available, ''important for society'' ?


It sure as hell is considered more important than sex with animals, or animal cruelty.




Are horse racing and greyhound racing ''important for society'' ? Is it ''important for society'' to enslave animals in zoos and aquariums ? I guess that keeping birds, rodents, snakes, fish and lizards in constrictive and claustrophobic cages/tanks is not ''important for society'' ?


Yes, both more important, and less cruel. I am also sure lots of people, me included, favor ban on constrictive or claustrofobic cages and regulations on animal racing etc.




An ''element'' of Moral Outrage ?! Are you serious ?! The only reason why bestiality is illegal, is because of disgust and revulsion at the perpetrator of the act, rather than compassion towards the animal. That is pretty much the definition of Moral Outrage.


I disagree. There surely is a strong element of genuine concern for animal welfare, not only moral outrage.


As for me, I dont really have a problem with bestiality as long as the animal does not suffer, either mentally or physically.
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
Maybe you should stop comparing humans and animals in this way, society is deeply specieist.


Er... I compared killing and eating a human to killing and eating an animal.

If - as you argue - that society is speciesist, then please provide a logical argument as to why it's wrong to commit statutory rape upon an animal, other than because of Moral Outrage at the human's actions in this business.


After all, we should ''stop comparing humans and animals in this way'' when it starts to make us feel uncomfortable, shouldn't we ?



Originally posted by Maslo
In humans, it is the act of depriving a human being of life that is considered immoral, in addition to suffering. In animals, it is the suffering of an animal that is widely considered immoral, not necessarily end of its life.


Complete and utter nonsense.

Morality, in its most basic premise, is quite simply the ''Golden Rule'', or ''Do unto others as you would have them do unto you''.

Every single ''moral'' person considers how their potential actions may affect other people before they actually go through with that action.


Originally posted by Maslo
Which is why there are lots of criminal laws against animal cruelty, but none against the act of killing of an animal itself.


Hypocritical and logically inconsistent legislation is of no concern to me.

It's those who expediently accept such illogicalities who have to live with themselves.



Originally posted by Maslo
It sure as hell is considered more important than sex with animals, or animal cruelty.


So, you're in full agreement with me that bestiality is illegal only due to Moral Outrage at the perpetrator's actions.


Originally posted by Maslo
Yes, both more important, and less cruel. I am also sure lots of people, me included, favor ban on constrictive or claustrofobic cages and regulations on animal racing etc.


Right. So you ''favour'' a ban on people keeping animals in constrictive spaces, yet you are perfectly happy for people to eat those same animals ?!

Bizarro world.


Originally posted by Maslo
I disagree. There surely is a strong element of genuine concern for animal welfare, not only moral outrage.


So, if someone has sex with a cow ( which the animal may or may not enjoy ), then there's ''genuine concern for animal welfare'', yet if someone kills and eats that same cow, then there is absolutely no ''genuine concern for animal welfare'' needed ?


Please stop attempting to dress up your own illogical Moral Outrage as anything other than what it is.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Ah, the ad hominem and false dichotomy both in one post. Well done.


Rather than indulge yourself in such rubbish, would you kindly - logically - inform me why killing and eating an animal is OK, yet having sex with the same animal is not ?


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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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I haven't read the bill or whatever, but I can tell you right now, this would in no way make it legal to commit bestiality. Bestiality is already illegal anyway; if it's not in the UCMJ that doesn't suddenly make it legal for uniformed personnel to do it. That's just silly. This is just fanaticism.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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While I've never been attracted to an animal I also don't see thepoint in making it illegal. We can kill and eat them, we can test them with drugs and pharmaceuticals, we cantake their fur and hormones, so why can't we have sex with them. I can't imagine ever wanting to, but I. Don't see any logical reason to make it illegal.


Yes we can and have done all those things to animals in the past and even today but thank goodness there are compassionate people out there who believe animals have rights as well. Rights to a good life, as best we can afford them while they live regardless of whether it is a farm animal or a wild animal. I wonder what we are becoming if people see no problem with raping animals. Remember it states in the bill you must have consent. The way I see it, unless you speak the same language as the animal you are assaulting and have it's approval, (which is as absurd as the bill) then it is rape regardless of the species. You cannot have it both ways. Subject the animals to our laws and bills but not give them any protection from them.

I can assure you that while none of you may be attracted to animals, rape is never about attraction it is about power and rage and often a will to subjugate. In war, a soldiers mind can be damaged by what he sees to a point where he may rape any victim of the opposition, male female or other for nothing more than a power play.
Back in the old days they used to kill the person who was caught engaging in bestiality, and the animal too. Why? First perhaps because they recognized the act as coming from a very sick mind and they killed the animal to put it out of its misery.

I miss the old days



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Liberalism IS a mental disorder.
Everyday in this lunatic asylum we call America, the insane leftist tries as hard as they can to wreak as much havok with their detestable agendas by destroying morals and values.
Their suicidal attitude is projected on everything and they want to infect as many people with the same misery and self loathing. They hate America, God,Family,Military,White Males and Justice.
Their madness is spread through such tactics as using corrupt politicians and lawyers and judges to influence the system, drug addled communist professors in Colleges and union thugs to do their bidding by coercing innocent folks and further draining our working class while funneling dues to the DEMOCRAT party.
Every day I see another one of their stunts which is equally or even more crazy than the day before.
We live in their nightmare society while they are in control and the sad part is they are the minority who bullies the majority. When are the regular people going to stand up and slap the bullies back?



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by Maslo
Maybe you should stop comparing humans and animals in this way, society is deeply specieist.


Er... I compared killing and eating a human to killing and eating an animal.

If - as you argue - that society is speciesist, then please provide a logical argument as to why it's wrong to commit statutory rape upon an animal, other than because of Moral Outrage at the human's actions in this business.


I am sorry but you need to stop using the phrase "Statutory rape." It is IMPOSSIBLE to commit statutory rape on an animal by definition. You seem to be confusing rape with "statutory rape" and it is killing your argument. It is an argument I mostly agree with so I hate to see that happen.
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posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Bestiality?!!! Is this a JOKE?! This is why these j.o.s are always making the argument that if gays are allowed to get married then next will be people married animals...I guess I'm wondering if they included bestiality in the bill to reinforce the latter beliefs about gay marriage...I'm not gay ... but I think this is just stupid.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Godofgamblers
Liberalism IS a mental disorder.


Dear Mr. Savage. If you are going to post and shill for your books here at least be man enough to use your real name. Or at least your real fake radio name.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Repeal Don't ask don't tell, repeal sodomy and beastiality, the possible soon to be a law S.1867.

Sounds like they are getting rid of the "easy outs" for potential draftees for the coming WWIII. And creating a way to wrangle the stragglers.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Did yall ever think that maybe they got rid of that one to takeout the sodomy and are putting a new one in its place to still include the sex with animals and children???



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Please be mature.

A horse wasn’t made for humans to have sex with. An anus wasn’t made to have sex with as well. An anus was made for one purpose, and that is to discharge the left over waste (excrement’s) out from the body. I am a heterosexual, and my brain is wired to perform intercourse in what is considered anatomically and physiologically correct. The brain of a homosexual is wired in a way that is not anatomically correct. I would have to believe that something developmentally or traumatic caused the person’s sexual orientation to be different than that of the norm.

Some would say that having intercourse with an animal is different than Homo sapiens having intercourse with the same sex. But really, what is the difference? If it’s about choice, who’s to say that the horse doesn’t want to have sex with a man or women? In my opinion, it is wrong either way. We all (most) know the purpose why a male has a penis, and why a woman has a vagina. The only reason why bestiality is considered sick and twisted is because homosexuality is accepted more than the other.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Did you design the human body? I wonder how you get to dictate what functions certain body parts are only designed to do.
Tell me what is the human mouth designed for?



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Considering the senate is busy performing such acts on the American people on a daily basis, this does not come as a suprise...



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Did you design the human body? I wonder how you get to dictate what functions certain body parts are only designed to do.
Tell me what is the human mouth designed for?

Ahh, NO I didn’t create the body! I am only stating what is anatomically and physiologically correct. Now you can mix it all up into your own definition or interpretation. That’s your choice. I have my opinion, and you have yours.

Two purposes of the mouth. The mouth is used to take in food and liquid to feed the body. Food is broken down by the teeth and then swallowed down thru the esophagus into the stomach. The other purpose is to take in oxygen and release Co2. Oxygen is taken in thru the nose and or mouth thru the trachea (windpipe) into the lungs. The epiglottis is a little flap in the back of your throat that prevents food or liquid getting into your lungs and vice versa. There are a lot of reasons, but those are the basics.
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