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Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by arpgme
When you have an NDE or outter body experience, the laws of physics are completely different. It's like we exist as pure consciousness and what you think or believe will manifest itself. Therefore if you're highly religious, you are likely to see Jesus in heaven and if you're an atheist, you'll probably experience darkness & dirt with a lot of worms wriggling about, that is until you realise you're still alive and where you go from there is anyones guess.
I suggest you read the Gospel of Thomas which contradicts quite a lot of what is written in the bible, probably the reason why it's banned from the bible. Most of what you talk about is nothing but dogma and doctrine.
Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."
Contradictions in the bible, which make no sense as the event never happened.
According to Mark, Jesus announced that "The time is at hand; the kingdom of God is drawing near." As Mark describes it, Jesus declared that the end of time is at hand; the world is about to undergo cataclysmic transformation. Jesus predicted war, strife, conflict, and suffering, in Chapter 13, followed by a world-shattering event -- the coming of the kingdom of God. According to Mark 9:1, Jesus expected that event to happen during the life of his own disciples. He said to Peter and James and John, "There are some of you standing here who shall not taste death until you see the kingdom of God come with power."
The Gospel of Thomas:
The gnostic Gospel of Thomas, on the contrary, says something very different. Here the "kingdom of God" is not an event expected to happen in history, nor is it a "place." In fact, the author of Thomas seems to almost ridicule such ideas as if they were naive.
According to the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you."
The Gospel of Thomas, instead says that the kingdom of God represents a kind of state of self-discovery. Jesus goes on to say, "Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourself, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the children of the living Father." But the disciples, mistaking that "kingdom" for a future event, just as they do in the Gospel of Mark persist in naive questioning. They ask, "When will the kingdom come?"
Jesus said: "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is,' or 'There it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the Father is spread out on the earth already, and people do not see it."
According to the Gospel of Thomas, then, the "kingdom of God" seems to symbolize a state of transformed consciousness. One enters that "kingdom" when one comes to know oneself. For the secret of gnosis is that when one comes to know oneself, at the deepest level, simultaneously one comes to know God as the source of one's being.
It's obvious where Jesus and Thomas get their beliefs from: Buddhism.
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by Anunaki2012
We dont go to hell, we are already in hell...
LOL, I remember saying this in grade school.
Those who do not pass judgement will THEN go into the lake of fire...
Originally posted by N3v3rmor3
we are indeed in hell
Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
reply to post by spy66
that is another issue. we are discussing the BIBLICAL view of heaven and hell.nobody is telling you to believe this you clicked on the thread, notice what it says of unbelievers "" neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."" seems like the problem lies within the individual and not a lack of evidence of GOD
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Deetermined
There is the option of being "normal"
Whatever that my be
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by LunaKat
NDE can be resembled with dreaming. The dream or NDE experiance will vanish as soon as the mind stops functioning.