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This does not appear to be a true thank you but rather a sacastic response. Is this the Christian way of communicating? Sarcasm masking insult?
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by Gradius Maximus
I would suggest that you stop believing the stories of another, they are manipulated fairy tales.
Through my own direct experience in the spirit world I can attest to much of what these holy books state, but its not as simple as they make it out to be. Language fails to describe the truth of what is and these books are the remnant writings that have been squeezed through 3-4 languages before being read today, meetings of many men were held to edit these writings to remove anything they desired not to be seen.
Do not hold them as absolute for even a single moment, for they are the product of man, not god.
Man knows nothing of god, we drop to our knees in awe and the tiniest scraps of understanding we can muster can only be related to what we already know, the image of our selves, something that would be relevant to us.
There is no hell, there is no heaven - What exists beyond the yawning grave is beyond anything you could possibly imagine.
Its time to stop playing in the card board box my friends,
Thanks for your opinion on whether Christianity is a fairy tale or not.
Even though no one asked for it.edit on 2-12-2011 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jewdiful
because Near Death experiences take us to the source of the Collective Unconscious, the wellspring of all of the symbology, associations, beliefs, everything really, that mankind has accumulated throughout our history as a species. More importantly though, or perhaps more relevant, is that like the world of dreams (which is closely related to that of NDE's), our existing beliefs and subconsciousness is the brush that paints in these experiences.
If you subconsciously believe in hell, it's no stretch to fathom the possibility of entering a hell-like realm during a Near Death experience. If you view this through the lens of quantum physics and philosophy, which postulates that individual belief is INTEGRAL to our experience of this material life on Earth, it's possible to understand the NDE through a different light. If you're a self-identified Christian and subconsciously feel that you don't measure up to the ideal you have in your mind when you die, the fear of eternal damnation could become exactly what happens... as in, your subconscious belief that you're not good enough for Heaven could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Now, if a Christian, or any other adherent to a rigid, dogmatic faith, is unable to reconcile the possibilities I've outlined above with their belief system, there's no way that they're going to objectively consider anything I've hypothesized here. They'd be operating from a closed mind, and discussion of a philosophical nature would be futile. I hope this is not the case.
Originally posted by PrimalRed
reply to post by arpgme
The Bible says that all souls go to the graveyard and one day Jesus will return and resurrect everyone for judgement...
Scripture or it didn't happen
Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by Deetermined
I'm talking about the Gospel of Thomas. What is written about heaven, sin and the apocalyspe differs in the Gospel of Thomas compared to the other Gospels and there is less dogma & doctrine. It also mentions that after the death of his master Thomas travelled east, where as, the other disciples travelled west, therefore it's no surprise that some of the teachings in the Gospel of Thomas are very similar to Buddhist teachings.
Buddhist Afterlife & NDE accounts
edit on 3-12-2011 by kindred because: links