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Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by colbe

Why do you think Our Lord addressed His mother from the Cross and in other
places in the Gospel as "woman?" He's God, He would know the plan. Mary is
the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, the first book of the Bible and Mary is the woman
in Revelation 12:1, Revelation, the last book of the Bible.



I have my own theories on why he did that. Prior to the monotheistic religion there were religions that either primarily featured a Goddess or included the Goddess with the God. Mary was the Goddess of the new religion. In Genesis 3:15 they are referring to the transition of religions. The new Goddess Mary will take over the older Goddess religions (she --Mary-- will crush her --says him in the bible but think him is a mistranslation-- head) and the prior Goddess religion will bite at Mary's heels. Mary was a new type of Goddess, weaker in many respects than earlier Goddesses. Mary was meek, earlier ones much stronger. Mary's followers would all be for the male God. Her power deferred and essentially drained.

What that speaks of is the transition of religious history. The earlier Goddess giving way to the new Goddess Mary.

Plus the fact that he's rude to women in general.
edit on 10-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)

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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by autowrench
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*All women* are the Goddess -- every shape, size, color and age. And men have an Inner Goddess.


You are exactly right in that. It took me awhile before I found the Goddess within, but I shall never forget the experience, and the feelings of the most pure love I felt. Women, everyone of you, are visible representations of the Divine Mother of us all. You might be interested in a few threads I wrote....

Vision about the Woman of Revelation 12

Let's All Face It, We Are God/Goddess

Mother Earth, Destroy, or Love?


Thanks autowrench I will check those out


LunaKat and autowrench,

Hi, I am replying, if you don't mind because it is important. John in the final
words of Revelation Chapter 11 talks about the Ark of the Covenant. The
Ark of the Covenant in the New Covenant contained God Himself! That would
Mary most holy.

Why do you think Our Lord addressed His mother from the Cross and in other
places in the Gospel as "woman?" He's God, He would know the plan. Mary is
the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, the first book of the Bible and Mary is the woman
in Revelation 12:1, Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

Mary is not God, nor are you. Mary is the mother of God. The term Goddess
is pagan.

The New Age "the goddess within" is such a crock.


Colbe anything outside of Christianity is considered a crock to Christians. But unlike you I don't find the fact that the Goddess is pagan to be an offensive thing at all. I am Neo-Pagan Colbe. The Goddess Within has just as much validity as the God Within (whether he is Osiris, Pan, Jesus, and so forth). Are you saying that "God" does not dwell within people? For the Goddess Within to be a crock you would ultimately also have to agree that the God Within is a crock as well.


LunaKat,

Give me an example of the miraculous, the result from praying to a Pagan God. This would confirm to me why you are a "Neo-Pagan." The true God, yours and
my creator is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. A mystery our human minds can't figure. All the miraculous points to Them, not Pagan Gods created by men.

The true God "dwells in you", in your soul if you have been baptized and are free of serious, mortal sin. This is why Jesus established Confession - John 20:23, instructing the Apostles, the first priests.

True repentance and confession of one's sins to God. Catholics have the fullness of faith, they must do more, they must go to Confession. This is the way, because of our "fallen nature" for God to return to our soul. After the Great Warning, everyone who says "yes" will believe in Confession to a priest. It is
Our Lord you are confessing your sins to, the priest is "In Persona Christi."


thanks so much for replying Luna K, I like that we talk...it's very good.


take care,

colbe


John 20:23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.


Colbe, I guess I wasn't firm enough with you. Take your crap and move along. I'm not playing your game. Find another victim.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by colbe

Why do you think Our Lord addressed His mother from the Cross and in other
places in the Gospel as "woman?" He's God, He would know the plan. Mary is
the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, the first book of the Bible and Mary is the woman
in Revelation 12:1, Revelation, the last book of the Bible.



I have my own theories on why he did that. Prior to the monotheistic religion there were religions that either primarily featured a Goddess or included the Goddess with the God. Mary was the Goddess of the new religion. In Genesis 3:15 they are referring to the transition of religions. The new Goddess Mary will take over the older Goddess religions (she --Mary-- will crush her --says him in the bible but think him is a mistranslation-- head) and the prior Goddess religion will bite at Mary's heels. Mary was a new type of Goddess, weaker in many respects than earlier Goddesses. Mary was meek, earlier ones much stronger. Mary's followers would all be for the male God. Her power deferred and essentially drained.

What that speaks of is the transition of religious history. The earlier Goddess giving way to the new Goddess Mary.

Plus the fact that he's rude to women in general.
edit on 10-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)

edit on 10-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)


Actually ancient religions had many goddesses along with gods. There is no reference from any religion outside of neo-paganism that believes in the Goddess. And from what I understand from Wiccans and Pagans is that they can worship any god or goddess they choose.There simply was no Goddess religion, there were however religions that worshiped a goddess, along with a god.

I have not seen any reference to a singular entity known as "The Goddess" who was worshiped singularly in any religion from ancient religions. "The Goddess" is neo-pagan.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by colbe

Why do you think Our Lord addressed His mother from the Cross and in other
places in the Gospel as "woman?" He's God, He would know the plan. Mary is
the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, the first book of the Bible and Mary is the woman
in Revelation 12:1, Revelation, the last book of the Bible.



I have my own theories on why he did that. Prior to the monotheistic religion there were religions that either primarily featured a Goddess or included the Goddess with the God. Mary was the Goddess of the new religion. In Genesis 3:15 they are referring to the transition of religions. The new Goddess Mary will take over the older Goddess religions (she --Mary-- will crush her --says him in the bible but think him is a mistranslation-- head) and the prior Goddess religion will bite at Mary's heels. Mary was a new type of Goddess, weaker in many respects than earlier Goddesses. Mary was meek, earlier ones much stronger. Mary's followers would all be for the male God. Her power deferred and essentially drained.

What that speaks of is the transition of religious history. The earlier Goddess giving way to the new Goddess Mary.

Plus the fact that he's rude to women in general.
edit on 10-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)

edit on 10-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)


Actually ancient religions had many goddesses along with gods. There is no reference from any religion outside of neo-paganism that believes in the Goddess. And from what I understand from Wiccans and Pagans is that they can worship any god or goddess they choose.There simply was no Goddess religion, there were however religions that worshiped a goddess, along with a god.

I have not seen any reference to a singular entity known as "The Goddess" who was worshiped singularly in any religion from ancient religions. "The Goddess" is neo-pagan.


WarminIndy, there is no **organized** religion of the Goddess today or probably ever in the past. It didn't and doesn't work that way. Yes there are many Goddesses -- all over the world there is a wealth of Goddesses often inspired by the geographic area the stories come out of. She is called by many names. To the Irish she is Danu or Brigid, to the people of China she is Kuan Yin, to the people of Egypt she is Isis for example (and there are many more from those lands as well as lands across the world). Those names are facets of her and humanity's attempt to put a face on what is hard to describe. Taken all together they give us a picture of the Goddess yet each is true unto itself. Its not organized religion.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by LunaKat



WarminIndy, there is no **organized** religion of the Goddess today or probably ever in the past. It didn't and doesn't work that way. Yes there are many Goddesses -- all over the world there is a wealth of Goddesses often inspired by the geographic area the stories come out of. She is called by many names. To the Irish she is Danu or Brigid, to the people of China she is Kuan Yin, to the people of Egypt she is Isis for example (and there are many more from those lands as well as lands across the world). Those names are facets of her and humanity's attempt to put a face on what is hard to describe. Taken all together they give us a picture of the Goddess yet each is true unto itself. Its not organized religion.


By that logic, then God was also called many names by different peoples throughout history. And also we should get an understanding of God through that logic. But the thing to understand about God is this, God is One and anything that is against His nature and character is not Him. People in China also called God Shang-Di. And all those ancient religions were very organized, even the Celtic religions.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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WarminIndy, let me also add that people have for a very long time as they still do today worshiped a household God or Goddess. Its chosen by the family and that is their sacred deity. People in India may choose to worship Shakti (for example) and those in China choose the same way. Now those religions do go way back to ancient times. There was not always a God worshiped along with the Goddess. Just like today.

My own preference is not Wiccan. I am Dianic. I derive my spirituality from following the Goddess although I recognize say the God Pan. But my focus is not on Pan, its on the Divine Feminine. That flies in the face of a lot of Pagan beliefs where a God and Goddess are worshiped together. But this is my path.

Beyond that I believe that Goddess is a human like face we put on the Divine and that the Divine is also transcendent. Part of this world in everything, everyone and yet beyond it also making me a panentheist.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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I think our posts just hit the same time
God is One (to me, maybe not to you) with many faces. No one face sums up all of God or Goddess. I know with monotheistic religions that is held to be false. But not to me. I respect the human attempt to describe Goddess or God through the ages..a very hard thing to do.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat
WarminIndy, let me also add that people have for a very long time as they still do today worshiped a household God or Goddess. Its chosen by the family and that is their sacred deity. People in India may choose to worship Shakti (for example) and those in China choose the same way. Now those religions do go way back to ancient times. There was not always a God worshiped along with the Goddess. Just like today.

My own preference is not Wiccan. I am Dianic. I derive my spirituality from following the Goddess although I recognize say the God Pan. But my focus is not on Pan, its on the Divine Feminine. That flies in the face of a lot of Pagan beliefs where a God and Goddess are worshiped together. But this is my path.

Beyond that I believe that Goddess is a human like face we put on the Divine and that the Divine is also transcendent. Part of this world in everything, everyone and yet beyond it also making me a panentheist.


From what I understand is this, pagans also define and interpret the attributes of their chosen deity. And from what I understand (from my brother who is a practicing Wiccan), the don't necessarily worship a god or even believe in a god. As paganism is individual, then modes of worship are individual as well. And if a person is individually worshiping a deity, then they define the worship. But organization is when a group of people, who have a priest or priestess, and practice rites that are found within the group.

But Dianic is Wiccan.

Dianic Witchcraft and Dianic Feminist Witchcraft,[1] is a tradition, or denomination, of the Neopagan religion of Wicca. It was founded by Zsuzsanna Budapest in the United States in the 1970s, and is notable for its focus on the worship of the Goddess, and on feminism. It combines elements of British Traditional Wicca, Italian folk-magic recorded in Charles Leland's Aradia, feminist values, and ritual, folk magic, and healing practices Budapest learned from her mother.


Your religion you follow was founded in the 1970s and it combined different religious forms. There is nothing really old there, just a lot of new ways to worship and tacking an old name to it.

Zsuzsanna Budapest or Z. Budapest. She is the High Priestess and the founding mother of the Susan B. Anthony Coven #1, the first feminist, women-only, witches' coven


And the leader of Dianic Wiccan claims her grandmother was born by immaculate conception...

Z. Budapest was born in Budapest, Hungary. Her mother, Masika Szilagyi, was a medium, a practicing witch, and a professional sculptress whose work reflected themes of Goddess and nature spirituality. In 1956, when the Hungarian Revolution broke out, Budapest left Hungary as a political refugee. She finished high school in Innsbruck, graduated from a bilingual gymnasium, and won a scholarship to the University of Vienna where she studied languages.[1] In The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries, Z claims that her maternal grandmother was born by parthenogenesis (or virgin birth).


dianic-wicca.com...



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat
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I think our posts just hit the same time
God is One (to me, maybe not to you) with many faces. No one face sums up all of God or Goddess. I know with monotheistic religions that is held to be false. But not to me. I respect the human attempt to describe Goddess or God through the ages..a very hard thing to do.


It is funny, yes


There are many attributes of God, yes, but that concept is like we apply to people. You, for instance, may be a mother, sister, wife (perhaps you are none of those), and the different things you do. But it is you and people have relationships with you depending on what side of the attribute they are on. But, they still recognize you beyond your attributes and that is what we must do with God. Just because we call Him Father, does not mean He is mere Father, that is simply one aspect and we worship God in every aspect.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by LunaKat
WarminIndy, let me also add that people have for a very long time as they still do today worshiped a household God or Goddess. Its chosen by the family and that is their sacred deity. People in India may choose to worship Shakti (for example) and those in China choose the same way. Now those religions do go way back to ancient times. There was not always a God worshiped along with the Goddess. Just like today.

My own preference is not Wiccan. I am Dianic. I derive my spirituality from following the Goddess although I recognize say the God Pan. But my focus is not on Pan, its on the Divine Feminine. That flies in the face of a lot of Pagan beliefs where a God and Goddess are worshiped together. But this is my path.

Beyond that I believe that Goddess is a human like face we put on the Divine and that the Divine is also transcendent. Part of this world in everything, everyone and yet beyond it also making me a panentheist.


From what I understand is this, pagans also define and interpret the attributes of their chosen deity. And from what I understand (from my brother who is a practicing Wiccan), the don't necessarily worship a god or even believe in a god. As paganism is individual, then modes of worship are individual as well. And if a person is individually worshiping a deity, then they define the worship. But organization is when a group of people, who have a priest or priestess, and practice rites that are found within the group.

But Dianic is Wiccan.

Dianic Witchcraft and Dianic Feminist Witchcraft,[1] is a tradition, or denomination, of the Neopagan religion of Wicca. It was founded by Zsuzsanna Budapest in the United States in the 1970s, and is notable for its focus on the worship of the Goddess, and on feminism. It combines elements of British Traditional Wicca, Italian folk-magic recorded in Charles Leland's Aradia, feminist values, and ritual, folk magic, and healing practices Budapest learned from her mother.


Your religion you follow was founded in the 1970s and it combined different religious forms. There is nothing really old there, just a lot of new ways to worship and tacking an old name to it.

Zsuzsanna Budapest or Z. Budapest. She is the High Priestess and the founding mother of the Susan B. Anthony Coven #1, the first feminist, women-only, witches' coven


And the leader of Dianic Wiccan claims her grandmother was born by immaculate conception...

Z. Budapest was born in Budapest, Hungary. Her mother, Masika Szilagyi, was a medium, a practicing witch, and a professional sculptress whose work reflected themes of Goddess and nature spirituality. In 1956, when the Hungarian Revolution broke out, Budapest left Hungary as a political refugee. She finished high school in Innsbruck, graduated from a bilingual gymnasium, and won a scholarship to the University of Vienna where she studied languages.[1] In The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries, Z claims that her maternal grandmother was born by parthenogenesis (or virgin birth).


dianic-wicca.com...


I'm inclined to agree with what you started summarizing that your brother told you. Where I might differ is in your definition of organized. There is no central organization say like Rome where Pagans go in and out of or correspond with or any of that. No one place is making the rules like you have with the Vatican. So to me it is not organized.

You really do not have to believe in a God, true. I've yet to meet someone on that path but yeah that is true. Everyone I've ever known has chosen a deity. Many times more than one.

There is a bruhaha over the word "Wiccan" today. I don't use the word. Those that feel they should use it come from a certain lineage of initiation. I've even pretty much dropped the word Witchcraft from how I describe myself. I don't practice the "craft." I never really did. I'm not into spells and all that because I know it for what it is. Magic is a change in consciousness. Spells reach the subconscious the way the Mass with its incense and all does. I skip all that. I go directly to just changing my mind..no props needed.

Dianic Tradition did come out in the 1970s..I came upon it in the early 80s. Unlike many religions that were able to preserve their teachings in writing a lot of ancient materials are not there. They were either confiscated by the Catholic church and temples destroyed or they came from places with oral traditions. What we do today is try to reconstruct and reinvent our spirituality. It is a new thing with an eye towards the past.

I am not out at all to proselytize you or anyone else. Our religion is non-proselytizing. I only throw a little light on some of it just to clarify here and there. We don't need converts.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Good post. There is more written about Jesus than any other man on earth. I have no doubt that He is the Son of God. Thx.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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That is fair enough, at least we can discuss this rationally. My brother and I have a lot of discussions about religion and he sometimes believes in paganism and sometimes Wicca, depending on his mood or whatever is going on in his life at the time.

I think that is the fundamental difference in Christianity and paganism, when you are a Christian you only worship one God always, but within paganism you can choose who you want when you want. For us, there seems to be no consistency with that type of worship.

He casts spells and burn candles, and that makes no sense to me. I am not Catholic, but it seems the problem pagans have with Christianity is against Catholicism. There are a lot of things about Catholicism that seems to be pagan. They burn candles when they lose things, I don't understand that.

My brother believes I am very unorthodox Christian, I believe in the paranormal and other things that Christians wince at, but this is a universe full of mystery and things happen in this universe that affects people. I think it would be safe to say, I am orthodox only when it comes to the orthodox beliefs about Jesus, but I am pragmatic about worship and expression of faith. There is nothing Catholic in my understanding.

I used to not understand the concept of burning sage, but then I thought like this, if people needed help because a supernatural entity is harming their home, and they lived no where that they could have olive oil, and sage was recommended as help, then they should use whatever helps. God created this world so diverse and it began before 1611.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Check this video out it shows how Jesus is a star

Christmas In The Stars 2012
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httwww.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Yeah I just was nodding as I was reading along with what you wrote. Let me just say this..Paganism is evolving ok? When I first got into this I'd walk in my library and find maybe one book on Witchcraft in the shelves... usually Sybil Leek's Diary of a Witch, hehe. I'd go to a bookstore and there wasn't even a section for books on it. Fast forward to today there are books galore, the Internet, everything. People aren't afraid any longer to discuss it. But it wasn't like that 30 years ago.

Its still evolving. Back then the label for what I did was "Dianic Wicca." Today Wiccans object to that label because it didn't pass down a certain way. So its just Dianic or Dianic Tradition or Dianic Witch (thats still ok to use). And it was Pagan then but today its called Neo-Pagan. Wherever there are people there will be those needing more and more definition so the terms are a changin. I'm sure more terms are on the way as people try to be more and more precise with it all.

Like you I always had an interest in the paranormal. Mine went all the way back to when I was a kid. I understand what you mean about the candles and all. Although I do love candles for the light they give off and how they do really alter our consciousness which is why the church uses them too. I might just simply light an unscented candle and focus...or not. But a lot of it is props in all the faiths. A way to put people in the right frame of mind. To take us out of the ordinary and into the higher realms (props, prayer, mantras, all that does it). The church uses ritual the way a Pagan does. The Mass has its roots in Paganism.

I forgot to address what you wrote about Z. On that you'd have to ask Z. herself. I don't know what she is referring to honestly. I never met Z. She is considered the mother of Dianic tradition. But I kind of veered towards others in the forefront rather than her.

And yes I understand how God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The way the Goddess is the Mother, the Maiden and the Crone to us. And every woman is the face of the Goddess to us.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat
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Yeah I just was nodding as I was reading along with what you wrote. Let me just say this..Paganism is evolving ok? When I first got into this I'd walk in my library and find maybe one book on Witchcraft in the shelves... usually Sybil Leek's Diary of a Witch, hehe. I'd go to a bookstore and there wasn't even a section for books on it. Fast forward to today there are books galore, the Internet, everything. People aren't afraid any longer to discuss it. But it wasn't like that 30 years ago.

Its still evolving. Back then the label for what I did was "Dianic Wicca." Today Wiccans object to that label because it didn't pass down a certain way. So its just Dianic or Dianic Tradition or Dianic Witch (thats still ok to use). And it was Pagan then but today its called Neo-Pagan. Wherever there are people there will be those needing more and more definition so the terms are a changin. I'm sure more terms are on the way as people try to be more and more precise with it all.

Like you I always had an interest in the paranormal. Mine went all the way back to when I was a kid. I understand what you mean about the candles and all. Although I do love candles for the light they give off and how they do really alter our consciousness which is why the church uses them too. I might just simply light an unscented candle and focus...or not. But a lot of it is props in all the faiths. A way to put people in the right frame of mind. To take us out of the ordinary and into the higher realms (props, prayer, mantras, all that does it). The church uses ritual the way a Pagan does. The Mass has its roots in Paganism.

I forgot to address what you wrote about Z. On that you'd have to ask Z. herself. I don't know what she is referring to honestly. I never met Z. She is considered the mother of Dianic tradition. But I kind of veered towards others in the forefront rather than her.

And yes I understand how God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The way the Goddess is the Mother, the Maiden and the Crone to us. And every woman is the face of the Goddess to us.


I never thought that way about candles, as I only use them if I have no electricity..
But currently I have no candles at all in my house. I think a lot of people may use them for that, but I had never heard they alter our consciousness, which would probably be a safer alternative to people using peyote or mushrooms.

For me, when I worship, I allow myself to be given over or used by the Holy Ghost, but I never just open myself to whatever is out there, I will never allow just anything to come into me. I study the Bible to determine what God is like and the Holy Ghost will never be contrary to God. That is the problem a lot of Christians have, they don't know what God is really like and they open themselves to anything, assuming it is God. Prayer for me is not a prop, it is an open line of communication. I am kind of like Tevya from Fiddler on the Roof, I stop whatever I am doing and speak with God, I don't use rites or rituals to do that.

There have been times things were lost and I spoke out loud that whoever took my thing must bring it back, and it is always brought back. I realize there is power in our words, so I do it responsibly. I won't speak wealth or fame into my life and I don't speak things I don't need, but I see Christians out there who think that way. I think many Christians are pagan and don't realize it. I recognize that I have no power, that all power belongs to God and He allows things to happen only if it is confirmed by the Bible. But some Christians don't know the Bible, and attempt so many things that turn out harmful.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by LunaKat
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Yeah I just was nodding as I was reading along with what you wrote. Let me just say this..Paganism is evolving ok? When I first got into this I'd walk in my library and find maybe one book on Witchcraft in the shelves... usually Sybil Leek's Diary of a Witch, hehe. I'd go to a bookstore and there wasn't even a section for books on it. Fast forward to today there are books galore, the Internet, everything. People aren't afraid any longer to discuss it. But it wasn't like that 30 years ago.

Its still evolving. Back then the label for what I did was "Dianic Wicca." Today Wiccans object to that label because it didn't pass down a certain way. So its just Dianic or Dianic Tradition or Dianic Witch (thats still ok to use). And it was Pagan then but today its called Neo-Pagan. Wherever there are people there will be those needing more and more definition so the terms are a changin. I'm sure more terms are on the way as people try to be more and more precise with it all.

Like you I always had an interest in the paranormal. Mine went all the way back to when I was a kid. I understand what you mean about the candles and all. Although I do love candles for the light they give off and how they do really alter our consciousness which is why the church uses them too. I might just simply light an unscented candle and focus...or not. But a lot of it is props in all the faiths. A way to put people in the right frame of mind. To take us out of the ordinary and into the higher realms (props, prayer, mantras, all that does it). The church uses ritual the way a Pagan does. The Mass has its roots in Paganism.

I forgot to address what you wrote about Z. On that you'd have to ask Z. herself. I don't know what she is referring to honestly. I never met Z. She is considered the mother of Dianic tradition. But I kind of veered towards others in the forefront rather than her.

And yes I understand how God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The way the Goddess is the Mother, the Maiden and the Crone to us. And every woman is the face of the Goddess to us.


I never thought that way about candles, as I only use them if I have no electricity..
But currently I have no candles at all in my house. I think a lot of people may use them for that, but I had never heard they alter our consciousness, which would probably be a safer alternative to people using peyote or mushrooms.

For me, when I worship, I allow myself to be given over or used by the Holy Ghost, but I never just open myself to whatever is out there, I will never allow just anything to come into me. I study the Bible to determine what God is like and the Holy Ghost will never be contrary to God. That is the problem a lot of Christians have, they don't know what God is really like and they open themselves to anything, assuming it is God. Prayer for me is not a prop, it is an open line of communication. I am kind of like Tevya from Fiddler on the Roof, I stop whatever I am doing and speak with God, I don't use rites or rituals to do that.

There have been times things were lost and I spoke out loud that whoever took my thing must bring it back, and it is always brought back. I realize there is power in our words, so I do it responsibly. I won't speak wealth or fame into my life and I don't speak things I don't need, but I see Christians out there who think that way. I think many Christians are pagan and don't realize it. I recognize that I have no power, that all power belongs to God and He allows things to happen only if it is confirmed by the Bible. But some Christians don't know the Bible, and attempt so many things that turn out harmful.


WarminIndy
about using them when you don't have electricty -- we do that too. Candles help set a mood is all. Think of a romantic couple out at dinner with candlelight --thats one kind of mood with candles. Inside a church or in private when praying or visualizing they help us reach another place. We build up an association to that over time. Anyone who has attended Catholic schools and sees religious candles instantly knows the mood they set.

It sounds to me like you have a way that is working. There is nothing I can add to that except keep on keeping on
Don't fix what isn't broken



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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I'm not sure if anyone posted this theory as to who JC was or what branch of teaching he was adapted from.. ( excuse my laziness but I don't really feel like going through 36 pages of discussion..I read the first 6 so..maybe that counts? any ways ) But I've always been very open to the notion that Jesus Christ's teachings originated from Buddhism and if he existed was in fact a Buddhist Monk.

Again if anybody posted this vid already, please ignore.



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posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by SodderCell
I'm not sure if anyone posted this theory as to who JC was or what branch of teaching he was adapted from.. ( excuse my laziness but I don't really feel like going through 36 pages of discussion..I read the first 6 so..maybe that counts? any ways ) But I've always been very open to the notion that Jesus Christ's teachings originated from Buddhism and if he existed was in fact a Buddhist Monk.



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You should read a book called The Lotus and the Cross:Jesus Talks With Buddha written by Ravi Zacharias. The differences in religions are so profound, Zacharias shows them for what they are. Ravi Zacharias is a Christian apologetic who has a Master's Degree He is from India and has a deep knowledge of Comparative Religions, and has lectured at Cambridge University, and has been the only invited Christian minister invited by the king of Saudi Arabia.




posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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LunaKat and autowrench, Hi, I am replying, if you don't mind because it is important. John in the final words of Revelation Chapter 11 talks about the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant in the New Covenant contained God Himself! That would Mary most holy. Why do you think Our Lord addressed His mother from the Cross and in other places in the Gospel as "woman?" He's God, He would know the plan. Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15, the first book of the Bible and Mary is the woman in Revelation 12:1, Revelation, the last book of the Bible. Mary is not God, nor are you. Mary is the mother of God. The term Goddess is pagan. The New Age "the goddess within" is such a crock.


Well, you can think that, it is your right to do so. What I know I find inside, not in some stale, altered book like you apparently do. You, not anyone else knows what Jesus actually said, or even if such a man even existed. The story of Mariam (original spelling) is a Christian invention, just like the other Christian inventions, and is not to be believed by those of us who know better. If you subscribe to the Jesus/Mary story, then you must subscribe to their daughter Sarah too, right? And the Grail Bloodline discovered by the Templars?
And I think you better look up the origin of the word "Pagan," it is not the name of a religion, or a people.

It is sad the you have not found the Divine Feminine within, friend, I hope you do someday.



posted on Dec, 11 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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For me, when I worship, I allow myself to be given over or used by the Holy Ghost, but I never just open myself to whatever is out there, I will never allow just anything to come into me.


That is the trap, right there. The "Holy Ghost" you speak of is the Human Spirit, we all have it. The thing that possesses Christians is just that, a possession. This is why Christians, especially the devout, show signs of possession. If you have willingly opened your heart and soul to Jesus, then you are probable possessed, it is just that simple. I offer my soul to no being.



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