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Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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You completely missed the point: Love! You cannot hate, be impatient, unkind, cruel, disrespectful. Anything not of love is not of God. And you would be happy with an eternity in darkness??? You will see the "light", the true love of God, at which point your sin/guilt will cause you to be cast from his presence. For in His presence no darkness will exist. I say no pleasure/pain because those are human emotions. You will have an emptiness. You will be in utter darkness that you could taste and feel if you had a body. The darkness alone would be torture, then you add the eternity part. Christian for years have abused His name for their own gain. That's why out of the whole world only EIGHT people were saved in Noahs day. Why only 144,000 saved in our day. Love. Such a simple concept. Love Him, love others.




posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
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Place the mother back on the throne?

She should've never been taken off.


You've got my vote on that
I'd prefer to see a Doni than a cross.


I once asked my Art History Professor that if I look like the Venus of Willendorf, does that make me a goddess?

I look just like the Venus of Willendorf. And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses. Yes, fertility goddesses always implied sex. It makes me believe there were women like me back then, our ancestors were not all skinny and thin as historians want us to believe. Venus of Willendorf, the sex symbol....(but not so much me, life is more than fertility rites).

ETA: I am not exactly as fat as the Venus of Willendorf, she has quite a few pounds more than me, but you know what I mean..
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Actually it's believed that bigger women were seen as a sign of good health or wealth in alot of prehistoric tribes. Also today regardless of what women are lead to believe, the average male doesn't actually view skinny as the most attractive female ,or over weight I might add. A healthy weight is viewed as being attractive. A woman can be a Goddess without being a Goddess.

It's not just the Doni figures from these times that show that prehistoric people viewed the female with respect and as a living mother. There's carvings of virginas and breasts in cave walls, usually virginas. Prehistoric porn the shallow thinker would say but it's the places where they're done that appear to make them of religious importance.

Also note that the Doni figures which have been found are faceless as if it's either not allowed to show a face or that the mother is all and therefore you can't put a face to it. There's only one I know off with a face and it's just a head so it might not have been a Goddess figure at all but it does have braided hair.
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by StormingHeaven
reply to post by WarminIndy
 


You completely missed the point: Love! You cannot hate, be impatient, unkind, cruel, disrespectful. Anything not of love is not of God. And you would be happy with an eternity in darkness??? You will see the "light", the true love of God, at which point your sin/guilt will cause you to be cast from his presence. For in His presence no darkness will exist. I say no pleasure/pain because those are human emotions. You will have an emptiness. You will be in utter darkness that you could taste and feel if you had a body. The darkness alone would be torture, then you add the eternity part. Christian for years have abused His name for their own gain. That's why out of the whole world only EIGHT people were saved in Noahs day. Why only 144,000 saved in our day. Love. Such a simple concept. Love Him, love others.


Any loving parent knows that punishment is also part of love. And there is going to be more than 144,000. The Bible is very clear there is going to be a number which no man can number that is going to be in heaven.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by dalan.

Originally posted by britelite1971
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You atheists never cease to amaze me. When someone posts a thread about christianity you are drawn right into it. Nice witnessing to you! Enjoy!


So? Its the same reason why a person would be drawn to a freak show, they want to witness the retardation first-hand. There is not much of a difference between a Christian and a cow. Christians are just talking cows. Hence the freak show.

The threads just remind me of my childhood and all of the years I spent in the church. I didn't realize as a child that 90% of the adults that were in my life suffered from down syndrome. Most of the people I remember being born again could barely count to potato. But its impressive for a cow to get that far.

Its easy to use a prod to direct cattle.

I wish I had the option to choose between 100% beef or 100% fundamentalist, whenever I order a Big Mac from McDonalds.

Its going to be super funny when you die and can't find Jesus in the astral plane.

In fact, I am going to go project for fun and lol at your impending anguish when you realize your entire identity is a lie. You should probably pray we never meet in the astral plane. There are no Cops in the astral plane, and the rules for reality are a little different.


How nice dalan, An Apprentice of Satan (your avatar). And you got two stars for it, for your "thoughts", good for you!


See you there.

Edit: Or maybe not.


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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Re: The historical Jesus. I presume that all the other characters must have been made up also, from Paul (Saul of Tarsus), to his elder contemporary Peter (desciple of Jesus), to Cephias the high priest, Pontias Pilate, John the Baptist, Mother Mary and Joseph, the whole lot of them, but for starters, isn't there historical evidence of Peter having been crucified upside down..?

Re: Jesus' Divinity: If the human being may be thought of, spiritually or in terms of consciousness, as not unlike a sphere within a sphere (research holographic mind/universe and monistic idealism ie: consciousness is primary) then is it outside the realm of concievable that Jesus could have been "reborn from above" or from the outer sphere, to the inner, with perfection, wholeness and integrity?

Re: Sphere within a sphere with perfection, wholeness and integrity..

what do we see at the Vatican but this..

"The Broken Sphere"




Looks to me like their motto is "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". How pathetic and disgraceful, and cowardly.

Out of fairness and giving them the "benefit of the doubt" that could symbolize the power of the spirit of the all-good father of love breaking through creation to reach Jesus, but to me it looks like an image of a type of theft or hijacking, although I could be wrong.

Yes, I think this symbolizes the re-birth of Christ (reborn from above), and not some sort of satanic alien technological "break and enter".

Consider the outer sphere, the whole of objective reality enveloped by the Tao or God of the highest.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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Yes I do believe there will be multitudes in Heaven. In the end times however, after the death, destruction, plague, persecution, and the great apostasy I believe we'll be down to 144,000 true believers.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Okay so I did not read all of the replies to this post because well, it is late and I am tired. I am not going to site all of the various similarities between the Jesus myths and the myths of other godmen but I will give a few links of ones that I find key to the subject.

First of all are the various similarities between the stories of Jesus, and the stories of Horus, Isis, Osiris. Feel free to have a look at The Egyptian Book of the Dead. Note the various parallels there

Another Godman who shares various similarities was Dionysus of Greek mythology

Both of these myths predate the christian myths of Jesus by many many many years.

Also I noted in the OP that you brought up the name Justin Martyr saying that he said the pagans were copying Jesus and that the stories were not there before. I think you should research things before you just start to type drivel. Justin Martyr openly admitted to the similarities between the story of Jesus and earlier Gods... I reiterate, EARLIER Gods. In fact it was Martyr, who after not being able to hide the fact that the Jesus myths were similar in many points to the myths that predated them, came up with the incredibly off the wall theory known as Diabolical Mimicry in order to try and explain why the christian myth was so similar to ones that predated it. I think it is this theory that you are referring to, but he never said the Jesus story came first. What he claimed is that the devil, knowing of Jesus' coming set up pre-copies to throw people off. Here is a link to some info on some of the things he had to say.

Anyways, I could go on and on with similarities between Jesus, and other mythical godmen but I think this suffices to show anyone with an open enough mind to see, that the truth is there are bits and pieces of pagan religion mixed all up in the Jesus story. No one that I have ever heard has said that the story of Jesus is merely a copy and paste of an older story with the names changed. The fact is though that the story uses some common themes from many older religious myths, and then puts a jewish twist on them. If you are going to say here that themes such as virgin birth, miraculous healings, feeding masses with little food, walking on water, turning water to wine, meals symbolizing the flesh and blood of the god, execution, resurection, raising the dead, etc... were not used before the myth of Jesus then I think you need to read the motto of ATS and start telling it to yourself...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by StormingHeaven
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Yes I do believe there will be multitudes in Heaven. In the end times however, after the death, destruction, plague, persecution, and the great apostasy I believe we'll be down to 144,000 true believers.


God speaks of a Remnant in the messages but 144,000 is really a remnant.
I think there will be more who will say "yes."

St. Bernard of Clairvaux, a Doctor of the Church. a true contemplative speaks
of a middle coming of Christ. Jesus' third coming is the Final Judgment. We are
close to this "middle" coming.

A message to Maria about this second (middle) coming. It's almost here. Pray
and believe. 2012 or sooner, I don't know, maybe though....

_ _ _

Time for My Second Coming is almost here

Monday, December 5th, 2011 @ 03:15 pm

My dearest daughter preparations for My Warning to prepare mankind are complete.

I want to thank My precious followers who have, through their love for Me, helped save so many millions of souls.

The time for My Second Coming is almost upon the world. So many however are still not prepared but My mercy will protect them.

My arrival will be a glorious event and men, women and children will drop down on their knees in joy, wonder and with love in their hearts for Me their Divine Saviour. Many will experience sheer relief for man could not survive the torment which is being inflicted on him by Satan and his millions of dark angels who are hidden in every part of the world and who are causing terrible pain.

They, Satan’s demons so ignored by many of My children because they simply don’t believe they exist are causing desperate unhappiness in the world.

They create hatred between men, envy, jealousy and a desire to kill. They do not have much time left children because I, Your Saviour, will return soon as promised.

Pray all of you to save all souls in the world so that they too are ready for the New Paradise on earth.

Your Saviour

Jesus Christ


www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
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I am past looking to my parents for answeres I grew up a long time ago. My children understand this very well though. They are not bound to a corrupt decietfull organization like a church and they are better for it.

I never said anything about a devil why would I? Such a thing does not exist except in the minds of men who claim to serve god but only corrupt any teachings there may have been.

I am afraid in this lifetime you will never understand mostly because you chose not to.


Grim,

What is true and holy then? Jesus said be like a "child." Have a childlike trust
that God will take care of you. God is the one who is loving. So all the saints
and their actions, the schools, the hospitals, taking care of the less fortunate
for 2000 years are corrupt? Don't make grand general statements.

Disbelievers, agnostics, atheists are like little children in a way. They object,
they protest and never add anything loving or positive themselves. Don't be
that way. They're like Christmas Scrooges.

If Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit who speak in the prophetic I have read,
if They aren't true. I don't want to live.


blessings to you,


colbe


p.s. a link to some daily, mostly Catholic and some Protestant messages
from Heaven.

http:/www.catholicbinder.com/



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Do you think that Jesus was a real historical figure? Just curious.


Why yes, I am quite aware of the many Jesus men of the time:

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!

The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua) bin Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’).
Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, (Emphasis mine) about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus:

Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes: Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover.

Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.
Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely: "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."– Josephus, Wars 6.3.

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult. Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66).

When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee. Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds. Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

But was there a crucified Jesus? Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.
source

In truth, there were many Wise Men, and Wise Women throughout history. Sent here by someone, some being who cares about humanity, all were teachers of mankind. Some were ignored. Some were murdered. Some were listened to. Some were worshiped as Gods.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Place the mother back on the throne? She should've never been taken off.


Hear, hear FugitiveSoul! I can see that you are a student of history too. I think you know why the Goddess was taken down, and her many followers were put to death. The Early Church made some deals with someone/something....
I don't even think the Church itself knows exactly what it is dealing with. I know they call it God, but I am left to wonder.

Two of my posts you may be interested in:

Vision about the Woman of Revelation 12

Mother Earth, Destroy, or Love?

The Goddess requires no devotion, no worship, no sacrifice, and you don't give over your heart, soul, and willpower to her either. She is Love, Pure Love.
The Gods of the Bible were but ET Beings posing as Gods. The Mother came before anything.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Given the fact that some of them did believe in His divinity, what's your point?


My point is simple. They, the Bishops, argued over the theory, no doubt for some time before making a decision in it. People still today argue over that belief. Jesus never said he was God, he did say, "My Father and I are one," but that is metaphorical, it does not mean they were the same person. Not only, but Jesus was seen to bleed, bruise, and die. Only a human being does these things. To say then that Jesus is God, that would, could only mean, that God is a MAN.



I am very aware of history. Obviously you may have read a few lines of a Wikipedia entry, but understand what you are spouting off before posting it.


I wonder about that. My information does not come from Wikipedia, it is a well known disinfo site, as it can be edited by most anyone.
What I do is read books, lots, and lots of books. Here are a few paperbacks that can be easily obtained. There are also many history books that speak of these discussions. You must understand the supreme power of the Holy Roman Church in those days, and Constantine was an Emperor of Rome.

Nicaea and Its Legacy: An Approach to Fourth-Century Trinitarian Theology
Lewis Ayres

History of the First Council of Nice: A World's Christian Convention A.D. 325 With a Life of Constantine
Dean Dudley

When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome
Richard E. Rubenstein

When God Was a Woman
Merlin Stone



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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You are the one with a vision of your own mother in hell who still hasn't done the work of forgiveness. Just say'n.


Well, anyone who lives in such a world, and believe so strongly in it's principles would surely travel to the place they have heard so much about during their times in Church? Knowing what to expect is the key, friend. And no matter where you end up, you can leave anytime you wish, you just have to want to leave. And be sure to ask questions of the Light.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.


Excuse me? I will agree some men think like that. But not I. My wife is a 220 pound goddess in her own right. To me she is most beautiful, and these skinny girls? Like Corvettes, like to see them roll by, but would not have one in my garage.

For those who love and believe in the Goddess, this is for you.

Turn up Speakers!



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.


Excuse me? I will agree some men think like that. But not I. My wife is a 220 pound goddess in her own right. To me she is most beautiful, and these skinny girls? Like Corvettes, like to see them roll by, but would not have one in my garage.


That's funny, I have not seen one playmate of the year who weighed that much and Playboy magazine is holding steady in sales. I never see a heavy woman in any Victoria's Secret commercial. It's easy for men to say they love their overweight wives or girlfriends, but men still buy Playboy, so there is still something to this culture's panting over skinny girls.

OK, maybe you don't, but the biggest percentage of straight men in this country still worship skinny women. Even those men who have overweight wives and girlfriends.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Do you think that Jesus was a real historical figure? Just curious.


Why yes, I am quite aware of the many Jesus men of the time:

I meant Jesus of Nazareth, initiated by John the Baptist and eventually crucified under Pontias Pilate. That one, but of course you knew what I was asking.. sigh.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by autowrench
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And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.


Excuse me? I will agree some men think like that. But not I. My wife is a 220 pound goddess in her own right. To me she is most beautiful, and these skinny girls? Like Corvettes, like to see them roll by, but would not have one in my garage.


That's funny, I have not seen one playmate of the year who weighed that much and Playboy magazine is holding steady in sales. I never see a heavy woman in any Victoria's Secret commercial. It's easy for men to say they love their overweight wives or girlfriends, but men still buy Playboy, so there is still something to this culture's panting over skinny girls.

OK, maybe you don't, but the biggest percentage of straight men in this country still worship skinny women. Even those men who have overweight wives and girlfriends.
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*All women* are the Goddess -- every shape, size, color and age. And men have an Inner Goddess.

Advertising creates false needs and trends.

And about that Corvette in the garage statement... seeing as thats my favorite car if you don't want one in your garage I'll take it off your hands and put it in mine any day
Me, me, me I have first dibs


(this response written by someone too tall and skinny
)

edit on 8-12-2011 by LunaKat because: wanted first dibs on the Corvette



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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You are the one with a vision of your own mother in hell who still hasn't done the work of forgiveness. Just say'n.

Well, anyone who lives in such a world, and believe so strongly in it's principles would surely travel to the place they have heard so much about during their times in Church? Knowing what to expect is the key, friend. And no matter where you end up, you can leave anytime you wish, you just have to want to leave. And be sure to ask questions of the Light.

Do you believe in the power of forgiveness to set people free..?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by colbe

Disbelievers, agnostics, atheists are like little children in a way. They object,
they protest and never add anything loving or positive themselves. Don't be
that way. They're like Christmas Scrooges.

colbe



Nothing positive? Nothing loving? Hmmm beg to differ. They make you think. They make you look at your conclusions in new ways to see how sound they are. They also sometimes help us lighten up a bit. I personally admire the atheist. They take what is usually viewed as a unpopular stand and stick by it, are willing to discuss it and unlike many in the various religions they aren't just paying lip service. We grow by being willing to talk with people not always like ourselves. Its all good.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by colbe

Disbelievers, agnostics, atheists are like little children in a way. They object,
they protest and never add anything loving or positive themselves. Don't be
that way. They're like Christmas Scrooges.

colbe



Nothing positive? Nothing loving? Hmmm beg to differ. They make you think. They make you look at your conclusions in new ways to see how sound they are. They also sometimes help us lighten up a bit. I personally admire the atheist. They take what is usually viewed as a unpopular stand and stick by it, are willing to discuss it and unlike many in the various religions they aren't just paying lip service. We grow by being willing to talk with people not always like ourselves. Its all good.


Luna, hello,

"Unpopular stand"....to the loss of their souls ~!! Christians and Catholic Christians for 2000 years, keep trying and so does God to bring atheists to the Truth.

There's one God and He has revealed one plan. There is one true faith. The term "Religion" refers to something from man, from his head. There are hundreds of "religions" non-Christian and Christian. Maybe, there's some minor "grace" given in following a "religion" only because it may contain a "tiny bit" of God's Truth. Many "religions" though go against the God's revelation, as example, Islam.



have a blessed Advent and Christmas,

colbe



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