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Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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You are the one with a vision of your own mother in hell who still hasn't done the work of forgiveness. Just say'n.




posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by earthdude
 

Watch and find this movie www.imdb.com...
The man from earth really really good film and has a little of what you are saying in it.


I caught that on nerflix last year, great film!



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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They also killed off the saints of the early church who were in a direct line of gnostic initiation from Jesus and John the Baptist, and then inserted their own apostolic succession, when all the while, Mary Magdelene was surely the greatest adept of Jesus secret wisdom teachings.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench


Agreed, in History, Christianity is but a young child compared to Pagans. And a Goddess was worshiped for may thousands of years before the Church came along and tried to stamp this all out with murder and torture. I think it is time we place the Goddess back on her throne. After all, EVERYTHING has a Mother, even God. Heaven, Hell, Satan, Devils, Demons, all made up by the Church. The only judge is your own self. If you pass into the next dimension thinking of demons and Hell, you will find yourself there. And in reading threads here, the Christians here are obsessed with Demons, it seems.


Couldn't agree more autowrench with everything you said
What is that saying? What we focus on multiplies? All that devils and hell talk is a way for a lot (not all but a lot) of Christians to feel justified to hate others. Of course they don't call it that but thats what it is, hate. And its encouraged actually which is sad. It would seem after being "saved" there isn't a whole lot to do except go hunting for sins in others.

I'm all for putting the Goddess back on her throne and restoring the Divine Feminine. The Church did its best to stamp her out with its general hatred & fear of women but She survived


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posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by FugitiveSoul


Place the mother back on the throne?

She should've never been taken off.


Agree, I'm still working my way back through this thread. I saw autowrench's more recent post before I saw this one of yours. To their credit the Hindu people --Hinduism is considered the oldest organized religion-- never really took her off the throne (or not for that long anyways). And She is worshiped as Devi the Divine Mother very widely even until today. And in facets of Her as Shakti and Lakshmi and others. You probably already know that but others might not so its worth mentioning. But right on FugitiveSoul



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by mantisfortress
 




Many in this thread have claimed that the divinity of Christ as invented after his death. This is so absolutely ridiculous! Obvoiusly, they have done no research on the topic.


On the contrary, friend. It was simply the Council of Nicaea. (325AD) In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led straight to 325 AD, when Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of
300 religious leaders. This was three centuries after Jesus supposedly lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those
of questionable origin.

At this time, the question of the divinity of Jesus had split the church into two factions. Some believed he was Divine, some did not. Constantine offered to make the little-known Christian sect the official state religion if the Christians would settle their differences. Apparently, he didn't particularly care what they believed in as long as they agreed upon a belief. By compiling a book of sacred writings, Constantine thought that the book would give authority to the new church. At the Council of Nicaea, the bishops debated over Jesus' divinity, and produced the Nicene Creed, still recited by churches today. Study your history, friend, you won't find the answers in the Bible either.


autowrench, hi...

You gotta get ready, the world is close to experiencing God's Great Warning.

You make me smile. You're very specific. "300 religious leaders."

Stop please, with your excuse to try to make the Bible a Protestant book. It's not,
you must get your "Bible Alone", your choice for authority straight. Where did
the Bible come from? First, the truth, a fact, "Bible Alone, Sola Scriptura" isn't in Scripture, it came from Martin Luther not God.

You post the "Council of Nicaea" and "bishops." Both are Roman Catholic!
Pope Damasus decided the Canon of Scripture...inspired by God.
Throwing in one overused name, Constantine to deflect doesn't make the Bible
Protestant. The FIRST Council of Nicaea, there was more than one, was called
in 325 to combat Arianism.

Read the quotes of the men taught by the Apostles, they are Roman Catholic.
I suggest one Apostolic Father, Ignatius of Antioch. As a child, he actually knew the beloved Apostle John. You mention "bishops", Ignatius was the 3rd "bishop" of Antioch. He used the word Catholic for the first time.

Here is Christian history, how we have the Bible.

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.

All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.
362 A.D. Catholic Church's Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)

blessings, take care,



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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I just picked up on the point that you referred to the father from the OT and not to Jesus

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". John 1:1

Father from the OT? My God has been the same since the beginning.


A blind faith just doesn't cut it any more.
Until I put all my faith and trust in The Father all the baggage got in the way. Call it blind faith if you want to. You seem to believe that you have to deal with the baggage until the end; that this is a cross to bear. I say if you truly have faith all the baggage will be removed.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

PS: I agree with everything you are saying. I was there. The Father and the Son have set me free.

Regards



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
reply to post by autowrench
 






Place the mother back on the throne?

She should've never been taken off.


You've got my vote on that
I'd prefer to see a Doni than a cross.



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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I just picked up on the point that you referred to the father from the OT and not to Jesus
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". John 1:1

Father from the OT? My God has been the same since the beginning.

A blind faith just doesn't cut it any more. Until I put all my faith and trust in The Father all the baggage got in the way. Call it
blind faith if you want to. You seem to believe that you have to deal with the baggage until the end; that this is a cross to bear. I say if you truly have faith all the baggage will be removed.


"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

PS: I agree with everything you are saying. I was there. The Father and the Son have set me free.

Regards



posted on Dec, 6 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by britelite1971
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You atheists never cease to amaze me. When someone posts a thread about christianity you are drawn right into it. Nice witnessing to you! Enjoy!


So? Its the same reason why a person would be drawn to a freak show, they want to witness the retardation first-hand. There is not much of a difference between a Christian and a cow. Christians are just talking cows. Hence the freak show.

The threads just remind me of my childhood and all of the years I spent in the church. I didn't realize as a child that 90% of the adults that were in my life suffered from down syndrome. Most of the people I remember being born again could barely count to potato. But its impressive for a cow to get that far.

Its easy to use a prod to direct cattle.

I wish I had the option to choose between 100% beef or 100% fundamentalist, whenever I order a Big Mac from McDonalds.

Its going to be super funny when you die and can't find Jesus in the astral plane.

In fact, I am going to go project for fun and lol at your impending anguish when you realize your entire identity is a lie. You should probably pray we never meet in the astral plane. There are no Cops in the astral plane, and the rules for reality are a little different.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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Fugitive,

Hi there. Your list of basic words of faith and their definitions have no faith related meaning. So, how can we talk? The great Tribulation is close, this list is a waste of time (no offense). Besides, even the atheists pretty much, everyone reading the list understands their meaning.

Do you trust Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit?

You must look to Them. Their love for you is constant and greater than anyone,
even your dear mother's love. Haven't the last forty no fifty years been a time of
mocking God? Yes. In every way. You're going to have to choose, yes or no
for God very soon.


love,

colbe



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 02:06 AM
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Astral plane?? Pink hearts...yellow moons...sounds like lucky charms to me. Hell is what it is not. If I do not tell you of it you will whine when you go there. God does not send you to hell. You do. Go deep into a cave, turn out the lights. Darkness. Now imagine no body, no pleasure, no pain, no sound, no light, no feeling, no emotion...nothing. For eternity. That is hell. Not a "place", a separation from "place". God does not want you there, He is waiting with open arms. Believe in Him and he WILL accept you. Follow His command: Love. That's it! No rituals, no candles, no sacrifices. Bloodshed is forbidden (so sorry crusaders, pope, moors, etc...). If it ain't love, it ain't God. Period.
God bless.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
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Maybe I was confused by the context of your grammer, but didn't you claim Bishop John S. Spong was an atheist. If so, then that's what I was referring to. If that isn't what you meant then I'll amend my answer to oblige you.
I am not an atheist, nor do I "gamble" my soul on the knowledge (or lack thereof) of others, religious or otherwise. I do believe in a higher power, but it would take me ten lifetimes to explain to you what that means, though I can say that this higher power has no need of worship, nor does it require such human fare. There is no difference between god and the devil, neither is there a difference between god and man. Once you can see beyond the limitations of the idea of "God" you'll begin to understand that our mortal perception of reality is primitive, and it is this archaic belief system that keeps humanity stagnant.


From one God to another I say very well put.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
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Maybe I was confused by the context of your grammer, but didn't you claim Bishop John S. Spong was an atheist. If so, then that's what I was referring to. If that isn't what you meant then I'll amend my answer to oblige you.
I am not an atheist, nor do I "gamble" my soul on the knowledge (or lack thereof)
of others, religious or otherwise. I do believe in a higher power, but it would take me ten lifetimes to explain to you what that means, though I can say that this higher power has no need of worship, nor does it require such human fare. There is no difference between god and the devil, neither is there a difference between god and man. Once you can see beyond the limitations of the idea of "God" you'll begin to understand that our mortal perception of reality is primitive, and it is this archaic belief system that keeps humanity stagnant.


From one God to another I say very well put.
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u]There is no difference between god and the devil, neither is there a difference between god and man.

What?????

This is a "new" one, it is soooooo false, it's laughable. Go tell your dear mother or father this is your belief.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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I am past looking to my parents for answeres I grew up a long time ago. My children understand this very well though. They are not bound to a corrupt decietfull organization like a church and they are better for it.

I never said anything about a devil why would I? Such a thing does not exist except in the minds of men who claim to serve god but only corrupt any teachings there may have been.

I am afraid in this lifetime you will never understand mostly because you chose not to.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by FugitiveSoul
 


Fugitive,

Hi there. Your list of basic words of faith and their definitions have no faith related meaning. So, how can we talk? The great Tribulation is close, this list is a waste of time (no offense). Besides, even the atheists pretty much, everyone reading the list understands their meaning.

Do you trust Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit?

You must look to Them. Their love for you is constant and greater than anyone,
even your dear mother's love. Haven't the last forty no fifty years been a time of
mocking God? Yes. In every way. You're going to have to choose, yes or no
for God very soon.


love,

colbe


Their "faith-based" meanings stem from their misinterpretations. They didn't mean anything different from the definitions I presented back then, they only mean something different now, centuries and centuries after they were misunderstood, and these misunderstandings were passed down like bad gossip for so long.

The Jesus you promote like some advertising logo is also a misinterpretation. He was nothing like you imagine him being, because he has been taught as something different for so long. His "miracles" weren't the only things borrowed from Paganistic Myth and Stories. Even his look was borrowed.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
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Funny, I thought Jesus was (according to the bible) born on the 25th of December, in a barn, while 3 wise man traveled to his location following a star? This is purely from memory. Its a book I do not read but was unfortunately forced to attend catholic schools



The Bible DOES NOT say December 25th...it says while the shepherds were tending their flocks in the fields. It does not say warm, cold, summer, winter...anything about the season.

We can kind of guess from his age when He was born. We know He was crucified at Passover season and He was 33 1/2 years-old. Knowing the calendar we use today starts in the middle of months of the Jewish calendar, we can figure this out. Passover season is March-April...so counting back from there, 6 months before that is....September-October..which coincides with Rosh Hoshana and Yom Kippur.

At Rosh Hoshana and Yom Kippur would have been His birthday. Interesting that Jesus would be born during the New Year and Day of Atonement, which the Bible clearly states He is the First Fruits and the Atonement. And I am assuming that September-October would be the time when sheep were being watched in the fields. I believe every aspect of Jesus can be seen from every aspect of Jewish life, including the feasts and the Sabbaths.

So He was the first born of the dead (the old year ending into the new year beginning), He was the atonement, He was the lamb of Passover that was killed, He was the Shevuot, the first fruits. He is the beginning and the end, hence His life ends time and begins another and because He begins the new time, He is the First, that means he is the first and the last and the Alpha and Omega.

But isn't it kind of cool that we celebrate His life during Channukah, the Festival of Lights...and He was the Light that came into the world? So therefore, I think no matter when He was born, it was for all times and seasons and for all people.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by StormingHeaven
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Astral plane?? Pink hearts...yellow moons...sounds like lucky charms to me. Hell is what it is not. If I do not tell you of it you will whine when you go there. God does not send you to hell. You do. Go deep into a cave, turn out the lights. Darkness. Now imagine no body, no pleasure, no pain, no sound, no light, no feeling, no emotion...nothing. For eternity. That is hell. Not a "place", a separation from "place". God does not want you there, He is waiting with open arms. Believe in Him and he WILL accept you. Follow His command: Love. That's it! No rituals, no candles, no sacrifices. Bloodshed is forbidden (so sorry crusaders, pope, moors, etc...). If it ain't love, it ain't God. Period.
God bless.


No pleasure, no pain? Then how would you know if you were even dead? That just sounds like a pile of dust to me, if people really thought there was no punishment or reward after this life, you would think they would just be doing whatever they wanted without even thinking about it. Wait, there are people already doing that very thing because they don't believe in punishment for their deeds.

That sure sounds like the easy way out, just do whatever you want with no remorse, no consideration, because nothing is going to happen to you when you die. You just drop over dead with no emotion, no pleasure, no pain, nothing...that is what people are hoping for. They don't want punishment for their deeds. That is exactly what you have just told people, they would not have any guilt to deal with, no remorse, and no bother. That's it, you just told people they don't have to face up to their deeds because they will just be dust with no feelings. People don't want to feel guilt, that is why they drown their minds with alcohol and fill it with chemicals of drugs and hurt themselves now, because of guilt and remorse. But nothing is ever said to them to make it right for what they have done, their guilt will be gone because their life will be gone. Someone out there just thought it is ok to continue on doing what they are doing because their guilt is only for this moment. They can deal with their guilt now without making it right.

Perhaps we will feel guilt for an eternity, that would be awful. No alcohol to ease it, no drugs to make us forget it, no hurting ourselves anymore to not feel remorse. Yes, that looks attractive to some people, I can do whatever I want and never feel guilt or remorse because there is no punishment for me. I am going to do what I want and at the end I will just drop off into a pile of dust with no emotion or feeling.



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
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Place the mother back on the throne?

She should've never been taken off.


You've got my vote on that
I'd prefer to see a Doni than a cross.


I once asked my Art History Professor that if I look like the Venus of Willendorf, does that make me a goddess?

I look just like the Venus of Willendorf. And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses. Yes, fertility goddesses always implied sex. It makes me believe there were women like me back then, our ancestors were not all skinny and thin as historians want us to believe. Venus of Willendorf, the sex symbol....(but not so much me, life is more than fertility rites).

ETA: I am not exactly as fat as the Venus of Willendorf, she has quite a few pounds more than me, but you know what I mean..
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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by StormingHeaven
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Astral plane?? Pink hearts...yellow moons...sounds like lucky charms to me. Hell is what it is not. If I do not tell you of it you will whine when you go there. God does not send you to hell. You do. Go deep into a cave, turn out the lights. Darkness. Now imagine no body, no pleasure, no pain, no sound, no light, no feeling, no emotion...nothing. For eternity. That is hell. Not a "place", a separation from "place". God does not want you there, He is waiting with open arms. Believe in Him and he WILL accept you. Follow His command: Love. That's it! No rituals, no candles, no sacrifices. Bloodshed is forbidden (so sorry crusaders, pope, moors, etc...). If it ain't love, it ain't God. Period.
God bless.


No pleasure, no pain? Then how would you know if you were even dead? That just sounds like a pile of dust to me, if people really thought there was no punishment or reward after this life, you would think they would just be doing whatever they wanted without even thinking about it. Wait, there are people already doing that very thing because they don't believe in punishment for their deeds.

That sure sounds like the easy way out, just do whatever you want with no remorse, no consideration, because nothing is going to happen to you when you die. You just drop over dead with no emotion, no pleasure, no pain, nothing...that is what people are hoping for. They don't want punishment for their deeds. That is exactly what you have just told people, they would not have any guilt to deal with, no remorse, and no bother. That's it, you just told people they don't have to face up to their deeds because they will just be dust with no feelings. People don't want to feel guilt, that is why they drown their minds with alcohol and fill it with chemicals of drugs and hurt themselves now, because of guilt and remorse. But nothing is ever said to them to make it right for what they have done, their guilt will be gone because their life will be gone. Someone out there just thought it is ok to continue on doing what they are doing because their guilt is only for this moment. They can deal with their guilt now without making it right.

Perhaps we will feel guilt for an eternity, that would be awful. No alcohol to ease it, no drugs to make us forget it, no hurting ourselves anymore to not feel remorse. Yes, that looks attractive to some people, I can do whatever I want and never feel guilt or remorse because there is no punishment for me. I am going to do what I want and at the end I will just drop off into a pile of dust with no emotion or feeling.


I guess unevolved creatures make-believe stories to keep them from breaking the law. For those of us who have evolved beyond being just animals we have no need for this. Maybe you are right some people need the church after all look how well that turned out with the Crusades in whitch burnings. That was okay because the church said so. After all it was God's work. As long as you confess your sins you can get away with murder.

I say, to hell with the Bible and all things like that. There have been more murders and atrocities committed in the name of God than anything in human history. You can step down off the soapbox of justice now.




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