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Originally posted by Greatest I am
No love or desire in Eden without the knowledge of good and evil.
Love that is returned is true and good love.
Love, like faith, if not expressed in works and deeds, is dead.
Love that is not returned we do not call evil but it is certainly not as good as love that is returned and shared. Let me call it evil then as compared to good. It misses the mark.
Love then is subject to the qualifiers of good and evil and without any knowledge of good and evil, love cannot exist.
An example of this lack of emotion is shown in this clip.
I see life without the knowledge of good and evil, a moral sense in other words, as mankind just being like any other animal on this earth.
Is it possible that the myth of Eden was initially invented to indicate the birth of mankind’s emotional awakening to love, hate, and all of our other emotions?
God is spirit.
Is it possible that without eating of the tree of knowledge, developing a moral sense and the emotions that drive it, becoming spiritual the way God is, as confirmed by God himself who said that mankind had become as Gods, A & E would have just remained as blissfully dumb as other animals?
Did they and we have to eat of it to become fully human?
Would any of us be silly enough to NOT have done exactly what A & E did and reject this great accomplishment and gift for mankind?
Would you reject the ability to love?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
I think of all that as allegory to be faithful to the official religion of those who live on the hill.
I don't think there was literally anything like Eden and that it is a literary device to explain where the gods lived while they were creating the earth.edit on 2-12-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Who wrote it were the people calling themselves "the remnant", who were the people who returned from the Babylonian exile of the aristocracy (including the higher echelons of priests). They came back to reclaim the land as its rightful owners, where they are YHWH and the people who were not deported to Babylon but had stayed on the land, were the Adam and Eve characters. The high priesthood created the metaphorical garden, which was the kingdom of Israel, and the people (Adam and Eve) were the Israelites who would not have been Israelites if not for the work of the priests, and would have been the common folk, or the dust of the earth. So they were god, in other words. They made everything nice and then they went away and came back to find how the people have ruined everything they made. Then the people are supposed to be ashamed and feel guilty and know they are even worse, that they are now Cain, and need to bow down to the superiority of the sons of Seth, who know the name of God. Plus they (the returning priest and ruler class) could claim they were in fact Able, the righteous who were spirit filled and did what was pleasing to God, and was unjustly stuck down on account of the evil of Cain, the people who now must submit to the authority of their betters.
Not to the Jews who wrote it.
They just thought it a good myth to show the rite of passage from childhood to adulthood.
An elevation and not the fall that Christians called it when they usurped the Jewish scriptures.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Prove it. Were you there? No. So how do you know? You don't. Youre presenting your theory as if it is fact. It is not.
Obviously there was love. The Adama walked with God in the cool of the day before he fell and he was God's companion and friend. Friendship is born from love, as is the pain of loss and sorrow as you are cast away from the one whose friend you once were after you betrayed them.
You have a pretty shallow view of love. Thread rejected.