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Republican Jewish Coalition Bars Ron Paul From Presidential Debate

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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by MrRamblinRose
I am Jewish born and raised, I consider myself conservative and am a registered republican, as are my father and grandfather. I am one of the few Jewish conservatives in this country that believe Israel should be a sovereign nation. There is no reason to be giving aid to a rich country that has a very strong military and over 300 nuclear weapons. It is in Jewish culture to be very community oriented and take great pride in caring for one another, i believe it is the wish of most citizens of Israel that they take care of themselves. America should at least cut the aid, I will say that i don't believe America should leave Israel completely on their own but i think the role of a regular ally.. to defend Israel if they can't handle it, should be assumed. However, i think we all know Israel is very capable of handling its own affairs.
I believe the only reason America is so up with Israel is because Israel has the right to do thins in the Middle East that world opinion would not allow America to do.


The voice of reason has spoken!
I think most people who are against giving foreign aid to any of the other countries (including Israel) don't believe we shouldn't stand up for our allies in a time of need,... I think most people just believe that we are broke, our pockets are empty and we are rife with problems.... so it's time for us to focus on ourselves!

Makes me think of the airline policy that during an emergency the adults should first help themselves to an oxygen mask, and then help those who can't help themselves. What's the use of passing out as you're trying to help the person next to you, causing both of you harm when you could have helped yourself and then be more capable of helping the other person? One of my crazy analogies, but that's how I see it.




posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Ron Paul is in a position to move up or down, and this event could help or hurt him financially if he could get their support. The latest numbers show him well ahead of Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, who were invited. www.realclearpolitics.com... Therefore, it is clearly that they are against his point of view.

I don't hold it against them because of their faith, but it may be linked to Paul's isolationist leanings that makes those who support Israel tend to worry about a withdrawl of US presence in the Middle East. Israel did fine without us in the 6 Day War, and have improved much since then.

It works for us to have a strong Israel.

The US needs stability in the Middle East due to petroleum reserves. With Russia controlling 20% of the world oil production, and the US dependent on oversea sources, we put ourselves into a strategic black hole if we do not have influence in the Middle East.

What may look like prejudice, may indeed serve the energy needs of the US.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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I find it ironic that they would call paul an extremist with misguided views yet they still invite the likes of Michele Bachman. What a joke.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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I can safely say that this was the post of the thread, as well as one of gladtobehere's posts putting RP's positions on Israel and Iran out in the open for people to decide for themselves on.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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I'm sure the entire debate will be with all of these Israeli ___kissers on their knees.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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This will just make things worse for the contestants. This group will be tore up in the aftermath. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a Dr. Paul bashing on top of it all...



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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The guy running the Republican Jewish Coalition...


AKA David M. Flaum

Born: c. 1953

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Activist
Party Affiliation: Republican

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Flaum Management Company
National Chairman, Board of Directors of RJC.

Wife: Ilene L. Birnbaum Flaum
Daughter: Sara Flaum

University: BS, Syracuse University (1975)
Administrator: Trustee, Syracuse University


What he supported :

US Holocaust Memorial Museum Finance Committee Chairman
Boy Scouts of America Otetiana Council
Bush-Cheney 2000
Bush-Cheney '04
Cantor for Congress
Friends of Giuliani Exploratory Committee
Friends of Senator D'Amato 1998 Committee
John McCain 2008
Libby Legal Defense Trust
Lindsey Graham for Senate
Republican Jewish Coalition
Romney for President
Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee
Steele for Maryland
Bush Pioneer 2004
Jewish Ancestry


McCain, Libby, Cheney, Bush, Graham, Guiliani, Cantor... the scum of the earth... the guy running the RJC LOVES war criminals.
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Awesome!!!

Let's judge all jews and hebrews and israelites and those that support israel = ZIONISTS!!!

I like Ron Paul.
I Support ISRAEL.
And I understand why a jewish political group would not allow him in their debate.

Grow up! Or, go hold up a sign at "Occupy this city" somewhere.
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Well you pretty much summed it up.
Good job



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Just Google Ron Paul and racist letters. You will find scans of some that were found in libraries. It's a well known part of Ron Paul's career. He simply claims that he never read them and that others wrote them. Could be true, but even so would a competent leader sign things he did not read?

Sure, it's also well known that Lewl Rockwell was the Ghost Writer for that newsletter and did it to create controvercy in order to boost sales. Does this make Paul racist in any way? Incompetent or did he just trust the wrong people?




I only decided against Paul myself yesterday for the reason I mentioned. I give him the benefit of the doubt on his earlier career and I'm also open to the idea that people do change over a lifetime. Where others tend to see flip flops, I see people maturing and changing while being honest about it. I'd hope all leaders evolve over time.

So, you trust a man who is a career flip-flopper because you feel he's mature enough to come out NOW...When he's running for POTUS and say he was wrong? Jeez man, the parole board interviews these type of people every day!





Odd since Paul is getting lots of airtime and is in the news almost daily. I watched him interviewed a few hours ago. He's getting plenty of attention. He must be on an MSN program multiple times a week.

Yes he is Blaine. But your perception of how MSM is covering Dr. Paul is wrong. There is a huge difference in being interviewed a few times a week by news show hosts and actually what they're reporting. What's been the story of the past couple months? Hermain Cain and his alleged sexual behavior! Newt's rise to the top!

How the hell does Newt rise to the top when he didn't even have a campaign office in New Hampshire until a week or so ago and is just opening one in Iowa? Seems like he wasn't even serious about the bid until what?

Why isn't MSM reporting on the ISSUES?

Hey man, you're entitled to your opinion. But you need to see the bigger picture sometimes instead of relying on the MSM news and a quick Google Search.

Here's what I posted about why I like Dr. Paul in the Ad Thread...



Like I've said before, the reasons I like Dr. Paul are not only on the issues. I agree with most of what he says and I'm skeptical but hopeful he's right on others. If anyone can say they agree with him on everything, I'd say you're either full of it or need your head examined. But he is a man of his word. His political history speaks for itself. He's been preaching the same message for years. He's predicted most of what's gone wrong with this country both economically and in foreign and domestic policy.
I've always admired him for taking the high-road and not resorting to ads like this. But after actually seeing the bias against this man that happens every day and the people who the GOP and MSM put on a pedistal for the neo-cons and brainless as the next savior against Obama made me sick. And I'm sure Dr. Paul grew tired of it also.
Dr. Paul just strikes me as a very honest man who really cares about this country and not only the people who’ve been hood-winked by the banks, Wall Street, The Fed and big government but the general direction in which we are headed. Can anyone really say they feel we will survive another four years of status quo?
I’m over forty and was never a fan or follower of any politician before I found Dr. Paul. In fact, I hated politics! But after researching this man, I wish I knew of him earlier. I trust this man is unlike any other who’s run for POTUS in a long time. Find me a better man to turn this mess around.



And to keep this On-Topic...Forget about this silly little debate. It's not even being aired or on the GOP debate schedule as far as I can see. IMO, they are looking for reaction and will turn this into an Anti-Semite issue once people start with the blowback and someone will do or say the wrong thing and they'll use it against Dr. Paul.

Ron Paul is a big boy. Let him and his campaign handle it.

Peace
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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The more the media mistreats Ron Paul the more popular he gets. I wonder if they will ever catch on to this and just treat him like the other candidates. The way Ron Paul is being treated is horrible... He is just as popular as the other candidates so he should be given the same amount of time to be heard by the American people. I can't wait to see the reaction out of these people who are treating him so badly if he becomes our next president.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Jim Scott
The US needs stability in the Middle East due to petroleum reserves. With Russia controlling 20% of the world oil production, and the US dependent on oversea sources, we put ourselves into a strategic black hole if we do not have influence in the Middle East.

What may look like prejudice, may indeed serve the energy needs of the US.


That is if you assume that foreign oil is part of US needs, as apart from taking revenue from foreign oil/aka stealing by induced conflagration abroad. Some might say that 1973-1975 was a big con/false flag on the American public. Since then the 'US oil reserve' started? from where this oil, source? Oil reserve in the ground in US territory? in the trillions of barrels. RP will know this.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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If this debate was on national tv, I'd be worried, for Rons sake. But since it isn't listed as being shown anywhere, then the coverage of him being left out might actually help. This debate doesn't provide much of a platform for the candidates, and given how few questions Ron has received at some debates, the coverage of him not being invited could in fact be more beneficial.

Anyone surprised it's a religious group that isn't tolerant of anothers point of view, lol?



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by Jim Scott
The US needs stability in the Middle East due to petroleum reserves. With Russia controlling 20% of the world oil production, and the US dependent on oversea sources, we put ourselves into a strategic black hole if we do not have influence in the Middle East.

What may look like prejudice, may indeed serve the energy needs of the US.


That is if you assume that foreign oil is part of US needs, as apart from taking revenue from foreign oil/aka stealing by induced conflagration abroad. Some might say that 1973-1975 was a big con/false flag on the American public. Since then the 'US oil reserve' started? from where this oil, source? Oil reserve in the ground in US territory? in the trillions of barrels. RP will know this.


Last I looked, for starters, we do not have trillions of barrels of oil in reserve. The current number is around 21 billion barrels, hardly enough to run on for 3 years at 2009 consumption levels. We are not fat cats, we need the resources of the World to keep us supplied.

Consumption of oil: www.nationmaster.com...
Supply of oil reserves: en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by MysticPearl
If this debate was on national tv, I'd be worried, for Rons sake. But since it isn't listed as being shown anywhere, then the coverage of him being left out might actually help. This debate doesn't provide much of a platform for the candidates, and given how few questions Ron has received at some debates, the coverage of him not being invited could in fact be more beneficial.

Anyone surprised it's a religious group that isn't tolerant of anothers point of view, lol?


There may be a lot of fundraising potential in this group, as there are a lot of financial gods in that religious sector. It will likely determine where a lot of the new money will be going to fast track a candidate forward. On a positive side note, this religious group may be conservative in morals, and will not like the moral track record of Newt or Perry or Cain. Maybe we need Romney for Pres and Ron Paul for VP. At the least, these two men seem to have good moral fibre. That may insure change, as Romney by himself will do little different than his predecessors.
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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This is so very annoying. Ron Paul you have my vote! I will write it in if I have to. I won't let them take away my right to vote for who I want as president. We need to be taking care of America. Period. That is NOT happening right now. This must change.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

As to the Jewish people wanting to influence the politics of the this country just like everyone else does? Has no meaning at all. Simply means they enjoy the same Rights as anyone else.

I don't think you can define Paul by pigeonholing him to one position, anymore than you can honestly do that with most people.


When it greatly influences the direction of particular hazardous foreign policy within a country, I perceive it as "notable" problem. Again, history and fact can back this claim up.

Even Paul admits that he's the most conservative out of all the GOP candidates.

As for the "supposed" racist Ron Paul letters, those have been long debunked.



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Of course I expect moves like this from those who do not want to see the status quo altered, but it still doesn't halt my anger. I emailed the RJC to let them know how I feel, and also that their blatant tactics against Dr. Paul are so obvious to many people that they are simply creating more enemies, as well as giving Paul more ammunition in his fight for office.

If anyone else would like to express their views to these hypocritical crooks, their email address can be found below...

rjc@rjchq.org

I apologize if I am not allowed to post this email address, but since it isn't someone's personal address, I thought it may be okay. If not, my apologies mods.
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posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Because israel is a nuclear armed NON member of the NNPT, ron paul pointed out that all money given to israel is all TOTTALY illegal, and of course should be stopped for that reason

of course the recipients of all that illegal money would bar him from a debate anoungst people who's only goal is to steal the US into oblivion

ps
who sponserd that bill 1867 that is only parralleled by nazi germany and north korea..?
oh yeah
the senator from tel avive lie ber man
and the songbird mcain
( haha you christians CAIN!)
the greatest traitor of the viet nam war

well now you know how hitler happened



posted on Dec, 2 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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I didn't say trillions in reserve, I said trillions in the ground. The 'reserves' are aggregates extracted or purloined from elsewhere and are in extract form. US in the ground oil is also a reserve but not part of those figures, and just not yet extracted.

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