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FLASHBACK: Homeless Lady with 15 Kids: ‘Somebody Needs to Pay for All My Children’

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
I really can't believe some of you guys are calling for her to be sterilised, thats what the Nazi's wanted to do ffs
Yes she is in the wrong but she should of had a better education system behind her so she wouldn't of had 15 kid's.


Better education? You don't need any education whatsoever to know that if your poor having 15 children is a horrible idea. I'm actually more upset that people like you try to defend this woman than the actual woman having 15 kids.




posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Iam not defending her at all, I said what she has done is wrong but we have to look at the reason why she has had 15 kid's and a big part of it is that she is ill-educated, someone along the line failed her be it her parents,school her state.
But to sterilise her is just wrong the Nazi's did it to 400'000 people
en.wikipedia.org...
And to suggest that she should be because she has a low IQ/not educated is no better than what Hitler did.
Also frankly Iam shocked that intelligent people like you lot have said it.
Also has she broke any Law? no she hasn't so until they make a Law saying how many Kid's you can have she can have more if she want's.
I would suggest someone counseling her and educating her about safe sex and talk to her about getting her tube's tied but to force it on her is so wrong.
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Fitch303
 


Iam not defending her at all, I said what she has done is wrong but we have to look at the reason why she has had 15 kid's and a big part of it is that she is ill-educated, someone along the line failed her be it her parents,school her state.
But to sterilise her is just wrong the Nazi's did it to 400'000 people
en.wikipedia.org...
And to suggest that she should be because she has a low IQ/not educated is no better than what Hitler did.
Also frankly Iam shocked that intelligent people like you lot have said it.


Ill-educated is the biggest excuse. Here's some education for her, she screwed once without a condom and had a kid. Obviously that woman was poor from the start and even after 14 lessons still couldn't get it. She NEEDS to be sterilized, frankly she just shouldn't exist. I'm in favor of sterilizing handicap people as well, guess I'm a hitler sympathizer in your mind.........o well.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Quote from yourself...
Ill-educated is the biggest excuse. Here's some education for her, she screwed once without a condom and had a kid. Obviously that woman was poor from the start and even after 14 lessons still couldn't get it. She NEEDS to be sterilized, frankly she just shouldn't exist. I'm in favor of sterilizing handicap people as well, guess I'm a hitler sympathizer in your mind.........o well.


Your saying that she should die? So whats next an IQ test and if you fail you die?
Disgusting Iam sorry but thats just sick.
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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People attacking me personally because I have a different opinion (great site lads, keep up the good work)

If a homeless woman is having 15 kids, she is clearly not right n the head and should be in a mental care home. I love the way most of you want to forcefully sterilise a person instead of caring for them.

Money may be tight and tempers may be short fused at the moment, but there is no excuse for turning on those that need help, instead of the #ing fat cats, bankers etc..

You need to take a reality check - so you do!



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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boymonkey74,


Yes she is in the wrong but she should of had a better education system behind her so she wouldn't of had 15 kid's.


Yes, Yes She is in the wrong, In that statement, You are Correct,,,, But Education has nothing to do with it.
Because she was Educated in the Great Democratic Hand Out Called Welfare, Keep them Dumb, Pregnant and Relying on US! The Democrats Need These People To Feel Only They Will Take Care Of Them!
That Type of Teaching Needs To Come To An End NOW!
We Owe Her Nothing, She Owes Her Children Everything! Her Children Will Suffer!



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Wrong all the research does say if you are educated you will have less children.
www.nytimes.com...
just a snip from it

Education works in several dimensions. More educated mothers have fewer children, reducing the rate of population growth. More educated adults are more capable of adapting to uncertain environmental changes. And more educated individuals have a greater potential for contributing to the solution of our environmental problems
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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OK, I read your Link.


Wrong all the research does say if you are educated you will have less children.




More educated mothers have fewer children

Because,,,,, They Have A Career, Yes known as Career Women,,,, She Has A Career Too, Baby Maker!
To this Quote above and my question to you is this, Who is going to pay for her Higher Education

I happen to know even an associated degree is not cheap. I assume you are expecting the Big Heart and Over Stuff Checking Accounts of The American Tax Payer to Send Her and Those 15 Kids To College


No,. No, No,,,,She has been Educated already, The More Kids You Have,,, The More Welfare Entitlements Your Able Eligible to Receive.

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Wrong all the research does say if you are educated you will have less children.


It's true and sad. Because children from educated parents have in theory more chances of making good human beings. And since they make less kids then uneducated ones that means that we need to put a line somewhere to not be eventually overrun by indecent humans beings everywhere.

I know it's not human, but animals easily deal with failures in their pack/nest.
The right to live, the right to pro-create, should it be a right only for smart and healthy people without any serious physical problems?

I have difficulty choosing what is best.
Efficiency of humanity?



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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15 is enough for three basketball teams.
I think she misunderstood the part about being a good, (re)productive member of society.
But if her babydaddies don't give a rats arse about those kids, why the hell should we?
Cut her off and put the dead beat dads in jail.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by guohua
reply to post by boymonkey74
 


OK, I read your Link.


Wrong all the research does say if you are educated you will have less children.

To this Quote above and my question to you is this, Who is going to pay for her Higher Education

I happen to know even an associated degree is not cheap. I assume you are expecting the Big Heart and Over Stuff Checking Accounts of The American Tax Payer to Send Her and Those 15 Kids To College


No,. No, No,,,,She has been Educated already, The More Kids You Have,,, The More Welfare Entitlements Your Able Eligible to Receive.

No Iam not saying send her to higher education I think it's to late for that
but you have to ask why has she had so many kid's, it's lack of education and also poverty (If she had a better education she would not be so poor) Yes she is going to cost the american tax payer alot of money but it's already done we can't turn back time to change the situation. .
I don't have the answer's to do with what she does now or the state she live's in or if her kid's should be taken away and put into care, it's not my job and I don't know anything about her.
But it is the system that has failed it has done nothing for her and the system will pay out those welfare checks.
We have the same problem in the UK with young girls having a child at 16 because they know they will get a council house and money every week. But in our schools we have sex education and in those classes they tell the young girls it doesn't have to be that way and they can goto college get a education which hopefully leads them into work.
Sometimes I think some of you just say stuff for effect to get a rise out folk



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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It's just sad for the children. They were born into this mess, "destined for destitution".



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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I Found a Great Venting Page:

women on welfare that keep popping out children that they cant pay for!!!!!!!


Here is the Source: www.circleofmoms.com...
Go to the Link and Read: This Womans Girlfriend is just Lazy and has 5 kids from 4 different fathers



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by ArcAngel
It's just sad for the children. They were born into this mess, "destined for destitution".

How true that statement is, I'd like to throw this out there for some of you to read and digest.

How Welfare Harms Kids



The simple fact is that children are suffering because the U.S. welfare system has failed. Designed as a system to help children, it has ended up damaging and abusing the very children it was intended to save. The welfare system has failed because the ideas upon which it was founded are flawed. The current system is based on the assumption that higher welfare benefits and expanded welfare eligibility are good for children. According to this theory, welfare reduces poverty, and so will increase children's lifetime well-being and attainment. This is untrue. Higher welfare payments do not help children; they increase dependence and illegitimacy, which have a devastating effect on children's development.

Source: www.heritage.org...




This is untrue. Higher welfare payments do not help children; they increase dependence and illegitimacy, which have a devastating effect on children's development.

The Truth Be Known, Welfare Creates More Welfare Dependents!

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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The children are what is important here -
they should be taken from her because
she obviously can't take care of them.
The woman should then be put into special
programs that teach birthcontrol and how
one should take care of themselves instead
of depending on the system.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Of course I agree with the majority of you who say that she should be responsible for herself and her children, and shouldn't be having this many kids, etc...However, I think somebody SHOULD take care of the children, because obviously she is not able to.

Just because she is extremely promiscuous, putting it lightly, doesn't mean the children should suffer. This vicious cycle, of children remaining in these types of situations, is a big part of why things continue to decline instead of improve.

Something I would like to ask you guys is this: Should the government be able to tell a woman that she cannot have any more children, or force her to get her tubes tied? My main concern is when does it stop being "the right thing to do," and starts becoming "socialism?"

It is a tough question if you ask me, and it is philosophical, yet has practical application in the lives of some US citizens...Or any other government that would implement some type of system like this. But this woman thinking she isn't responsible for her own "mistakes" make me sick. I wouldn't usually say that having children is a mistake, but when you cannot or are not willing to take care of them, it is a mistake in my view.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here.....

Are you all aware approx 70% of all foster children end up being put on medication? I can't remember how many are sexually molested, even everely abuse or killed in fostercare. The system itself stinks to high hell.

All 15 children were fathered between 3 and the last one fathered 10 of the children. I bet his child support is a pittance and it's clear none of the fathers have anything if at all to do with the children. They too need to take equal responsibility. It's obvious to me none of them even want to take custody of their kids.

No matter how much you wantto judge the mother, it appears to me these kids look like nice lovely kids.

These children should be returned to the mother, all of them.

This woman should be given suitable acommodation to house all 12 kids and their mother. I have no doubt there is another side to the story the authorities are not telling and I know how welfare works in the USA. Sometimes the "help" offered is usually enforced upon by a bunch of idiots. Thats not help, thats inflaming the suituation. No judge has a legal right to ask a woman if she's pregnant or not, then sends the mother to jail for not answering her? That tells me alot. The woman did'nt commit a criminal offence for pete's sake!

Yes yes the mother can be verbally abusive to other adults, I'm not condoning that, but the woman and her 12 kids are homeless, that in itself would be highly stressful in itself.

Should the state pay for these 12 kids? You're more worried about your taxes funding this woman than the corruption going on in the White House, financial institutions and Wall Street that are causing far more damage to the American people and the loss of lives both nationally and internationally than what a single mother of 12 kids could if do to you!

The damage is done, there are 12 kids and this mother only wants help with the basic necessities.....not a bunch of bozo telling her how to run her own life or her family. There are kids out there getting smashed around and dying every day at the hands of their parents; this mother is not one of them.


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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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This is an actual quote from this woman taken from the video clip:

"Somebody needs to pay for aaaaaaaall my children. Somebody needs to be accountable, and they need to pay."

This is an astonishing example of the entitlement mentality that many Americans have now. There is zero personal responsibility for one's actions, it's all someone else's fault. You can actually hear the anger and rage in her voice over this "someone" that apparently forced her to have sex and babies over and over again, and forced her not to work, and forced her boyfriend to commit a crime and go to jail. And it's time for that someone to be held accountable and to PAY! Wow. It is stuff like this that will bring our country down, because does anyone here think that any of her 15 kids will ever amount to anything? No, there will be 15 more leeches crying about how someone needs to pay for their bad decisions. And on and on it goes until the people that actually are paying for them (but don't even know them) finally collapse under the burden.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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I agree with you BUT!

Defiant Single Mom of 15 Jailed: Tells Court, "Give Me What I Need and Leave Me Alone."



"Every thing they say is a bunch of bull," is how Angel Adams describes the Florida Dept of Children and Families who have been paying her expenses and recently found her a 6 bedroom rent-free home.

It seem they found her a home, Rent Free,,,,, Do You Live Rent Free? Do You Deserve to Live Rent Free?
Does She after this Statement?

Tampa resident, Angel Adams is 37 years old and loves being a mom. "Children are a gift from God," she says, "and I can have as many as I want to." She expects society to help care for them when she can't. She wants the money she needs with no strings attached. Angel does not think she owes anybody anything, not even a "thank you."

Not Even A Thank You,
Does That Surprise Any Of You?
Source:voices.yahoo.com...
ETA:

"I need transportation. I need money and a decent place to live," she says. Both her and her children fear DCF.

She also wants us all to buy her a car,,,,, She Can,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,, Forget it, I'm Soooooo Pissed Off

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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A mother of 12 children can bring down your nation? The Americans have been doing a mighty fine job of that long before these kids were brought in to the world.

It's not important now what blurts out of the mother's mouth, you can't forgive this woman but you forgive what your Federal Govt is doing murdering families and small children overseas?

It takes two people to bring a child in to this world, it takes a COMMUNITY of people to raise them. Do you know what that means? It does'nt mean fostercare, a system that in the end is going to destroy these children for the rest of their lives.

Go back, ALL OF YOU, and look at the video again.. Do you see 12 nice looking kids? Two years in fostercare and you'll see completely different faces drugged up, abused and going from home to home until they reach 18. Then what?

The kids have a better chance staying with their mother and growing up to be pillars of their society. I would'nt be too surprised a couple of her boys join the military and gives their lives for their nation so you can sit there faceless behind a screen and judge their mothers and their kids!




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