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Hello Vegans.

Preliminary stuff to make sure were on the same page:
Vegans do not eat anything from an animal, only plant matter. Is this correct?
You consider yourself to be a Herbivore. is this correct?

Now the Question:
What is your stance on Breast feeding a baby?
Cows are Herbivores (Vegans) and they breastfeed their young.

If your answer is a formula that is bottle fed to the baby then what do you do if this is not available, ie: wilderness situation or possible plant ingredients not available.

I ask this because Breast feeding your child is contradictory to Vegan beliefs but is also perfectly natural among all mammals regardless of their diet meaning that technically there is no such thing as a Vegan or a strict Herbivore for that matter.

Originally posted by Raivan31
Now the Question:
What is your stance on Breast feeding a baby?
Cows are Herbivores (Vegans) and they breastfeed their young.

I am a vegan sorta, getting there! and i think it is perfectly fine, infact it is best! a mother milk is designed to make a baby put on suffceint weight and give it all the vitamins and nutrients it needs, there was even research that was prooven to show breast feed babies are more inteligent and they reckon it was to do with emzymes in the milk.

The only reason we do not drink cows milk it that it is designed to make a baby calf go from 80 pounds to 1000 in one year!!! it also has a protean in it called Casein it is the primary protein in cows milk and it may well be one of the most potent chemical carcinogens ever identified! It also has in it casomorphines and are addictive it designed to keep the calf near its mother also cows milk has been linked to multiple sclerosis, cancer and juvenile diabetes. We humans have not nutritional need for cows milk what so ever infact as adults we cant digest it properly well 60% cant.

So my conclusions for your question is yes it good infact i would say its the best for the mother to feed the baby her milk, but cows milk.... hell no

P.S excuses my crap spelling

My questions for "vegans":
Do you eat honey? Its an animal product isnt it??
Do you drink beer? Yeast is an animal of sorts??

I have another question I ask "vegans" but for the sake of manners and decorum I wont write it here..

there are that many animal based products on the market, from cosmetics to cleaning products, that I doubt anyone living in the modern world is truly vegan.

hello,
cows milk is for its baby
similarly human milk is for the mothers baby
honey is not typically a bee food....its 'made' by the bees but doesnt come from it to threaten its own existence.
Chicken legs however threatens existence of chiken because the chicken will no longer have legs to use.
Why doesnt anyone eat only beef tail ? answer: because they miss the 'murder on the plate' but people may say it doesnt taste good or something.it is false, because meat doesnt taste good at all unless it is prepared.
i dont support vegan ideas, because it is an extreme(artificial). but i dont support meat eating fantasies because it seems to be another extreme(restless).

now a story to conclude: A great emperor, the OP commanded to the vegetarian that he eat meat. Perplexed, the veggean said yes yor royale highness but also said that he shall eat meat for the very first time only at a picnic. the OP hurried and called a picnic that very same day(asshole). on the banks of the river during the picninc, the OP gave the very first chicken leg to the veggetarian. the Veggetarian accepted it (well it was from the highness),caught it firm and exposed it to the running water. The emperor was amazed but kept waiting untill the veggetarian lost his sainthood.Finally the veggetarian took the leg out and offered a bite of it to his great majesty, and said that he would eat it once the king felt good.The king put it in his mouth and !@#$% yuck !@#$, the spices r gone, this chicken leg smells.....yuck and threw it. The vegetarian was saved and the OP learnt his lesson.

Story taken from akbar and birbal and the idea taken froma non voilent person.

yeah well i dont agree with people that are that extream vegans and especially doing that to a poor baby

Well everyone has given reasons here and there for choices made, one poster even seemed to think i was asking about cows milk as a food for humans. Then there was the rather difficult to read story about the emperor (I eat unspiced chicken legs btw and won't eat raw meat because it would make me sick from bacteria)

Here is a thought for the Vegan couple, oil is a fossil fuel, meaning it was originally an animal.

Plants frequently use dead animal matter as a source of food.

And almost everyone missed my point.

The whole world and every living thing in it is part of a system, one big symbiotic system.

There is no such thing as a Vegan Mammal, because every Mammal has at some point consumed something from an animal.
Most plants have consumed nutrients from an animal, even if it was just manure.

To live on this planet means using and/or consuming Animal matter, it's unavoidable.

I'm not being mean, just pointing out the reality of the situation.

I called my self a vegetarian-lite because i don't often 'eat' meat but that is more financial then a matter of personal choice, and yes I have watched 'Earthlings'.

Everything is omnivorous on one level or another, that's kinda the point of this entire ecosystem. It's natural.

Instinct.

One of the most important things any and all living things posses.

Humans have created a world where we have become like cattle ourselves.

We originally began farming animals by taking advantage of their instincts. We are the shepherd right up until the cattle's final moment at which point we reveal ourselves as the predator.

Instinct kicks in all the same, even though we have distanced ourselves from it, as though it is beneath us.

Instinct keeps us alive, to over ride it is to become food.

Death = Food, no matter how you swing it, something dies so something else can eat.

Vegan is a concept not a real thing, it's an idea. for some, a moral imperative but still just an idea.
It doesn't actually exist in the strictest sense in reality but only in the minds of those that choose to live this way.

If your about to starve to death you will react in one of two ways (and only humans do this btw, our big brains in action)
1. You let instinct keep you alive and eat whatever you can.
2. you over-ride instinct and choose to die, at which point something else eats you.

Be a Vegan, go for it. good for you for making a difficult choice and choosing a more complicated lifestyle. But don't assume that you are morally superior, your still an animal and part of the earths eco-system, like every other living thing on this planet.

And therein lies the irony. Vegans take a 'moral' stance but the truth is your only distancing yourself from the rest of life on this planet, trying to rise above it. You can't. You ARE it.

ADD: There is not a single living creature on this planet that is not in a symbiotic relationship. The human body is like a micro-cosim analogue for the world, we live with millions of different kinds of bacteria on and in us, without which we could not exist.

Most people want to do the 'right thing' and we still have a LONG way to go before we manage to live a perfectly balanced and natural, symbiotic life. NO ONE has it right, Vegans are just another extreme, their motivation is good but the thinking behind it is incomplete, THIS is what i am trying to point out here.

Vegans, don't rest on your laurels, you still have more to work out. The journey is not yet complete.

Not all vegans became that way because of a cause or belief system. I became vegan for health reasons. Animal products act as an inflammatory in the body, and I have spinal arthritis. Since going vegan (I'm actually a raw vegan), I have not suffered from any pain at all. In fact, it's like it doesn't even exist anymore. And if you believe the Gerson Method of healing the body, then maybe it is gone. I plan on going get new x-rays this summer to see if there has been any rebuilding. But now I get to live a life pain free. I can sit on the couch and watch an entire movie pain free. I can work out now, pain free. I can go outside and run and jump and play with my 3 year old daughter, pain free. Life is finally good again. And if that means I just have to avoid meat and dairy, so be it. I'm healthier, so I can't complain. I eat mostly fresh organic produce and it tastes amazing now that my body is clean. I did my blood test, and everything was perfect. As a bonus, my hypoglycemia which has plagued me since I was 17 (I'm 35 now) is completely gone. I drink 24 ounces of fresh squeezed oj every morning and it doesn't even touch my blood sugar levels. They have never been so stable.

And yes, I breast fed my baby for her first year. My only regret was that I didn't continue on through her 2nd year. Mother's milk is the best thing for baby.

Death = Food, no matter how you swing it, something dies so something else can eat.

Ever heard of fruitarians? The really hard core ones don't believe in killing anything for food, even plants. They only eat fruit which falls from the tree. They will not pluck it. They believe the tree is offering food to us when it drops it's fruit on the ground. When you eat the fruit and scatter the seeds, you help the tree to reproduce. I guess you can say from there point of view, life = food.

Fun Facts about fruitarians: They also believe this was the diet originally meant for man. Fruit is sweet and tasty to man. It doesn't need to be cooked to be enjoyed like some vegetables. If we were wild, and surrounded by broccoli plants and apple trees, we would probably pick the apple. They also believe their diet is in line with the story of the garden of eden. And they like to point out the recent discovery that the earliest man was indeed, a fruitarian. Also, Steve Jobs was once a fruitarian, that's where the name "apple" came from.

I'm not a fruitarian, just thought I'd share their views in this thread.