Personaly I still do not agree. The question is, is he a homosexual now because his parents were? does that make an influence? To me if so, that is a threat to humankind. Everyone should take offense to the promoting of eradicating the human species; it might seem crazy now, but like global warming and the environment, having a growing pop of homosexuals throws off the balance of nature. People tend to think in small circumstances, think larger with everything. Really?! promoting the existance of threating our civilization?

Originally posted by marsoc
Personaly I still do not agree. The question is, is he a homosexual now because his parents were? does that make an influence? To me if so, that is a threat to humankind. Everyone should take offense to the promoting of eradicating the human species; it might seem crazy now, but like global warming and the environment, having a growing pop of homosexuals throws off the balance of nature. People tend to think in small circumstances, think larger with everything. Really?! promoting the existance of threating our civilization?

Gays are loud and proud. They are a very vocal minority. They'd like everyone to think that half the population is gay just like them, but the facts bear out a very different reality. Even though I don't care if someone is gay or not, I really wish they'd shut up about it.

Originally posted by marsoc
Personaly I still do not agree. The question is, is he a homosexual now because his parents were? does that make an influence? To me if so, that is a threat to humankind. Everyone should take offense to the promoting of eradicating the human species; it might seem crazy now, but like global warming and the environment, having a growing pop of homosexuals throws off the balance of nature. People tend to think in small circumstances, think larger with everything. Really?! promoting the existance of threating our civilization?

Homosexuals parents to not breed homosexual children anymore than heterosexual parents do. If parents' sexuality had that much to do with how their children's orientation turned out, NO ONE WOULD BE GAY FROM STRAIGHT PARENTS, AND YET ALMOST ALL GAY PEOPLE COME FROM STRAIGHT PARENTS.

Originally posted by daggyz
It's not about this kid being raised succesfully. That is not the issue.

The issue is two women who have 0% possibility of having their 'own' children. Without male help this proves two things....

- Homosexuality isn't biologically normal
- Homosexuals crave for what fully healthy heterosexuals can do biologically 100% of the time - have children
- Homosexuals cannot be satisfied with being different as they have chosen, as they find the biologically natural urge as an individual to have children but they need something their partner cannot ever give...

Ok 3 things....

It's both sad and amusing.

Having red hair is not biologically normal either. There are many physical and psychological traits people have that are not "normal" in a purely statistical sense. Should we have institutionalized discrimination for those traits? Why is it logical to institutionalize discrimination for one trait that is not held in a majority of people and not others. Most accepted studies have the percentage of homosexuals at between 6 - 11%. The global percentage of red haired people is 4%. Being red headed is clearly more "abnormal" than being gay.

As it relates to having children, why would we allow post menopausal women to get married if marriage was about child rearing? If marriage is solely for the purpose of raising children, why allow those who wish to not have children get married? If the logic is that marriage is about children, would it not then be better to wait until a woman gets pregnant before issuing a marriage liscence? Should a straight couple with a sterile male not be allowed to go to a sperm bank to have a child? What is he is sterile due to wounds received in an armed conflict? Should a sterile man even be allowed to get married? If marriage is all about "the children" then I guess the answer is no.

The arguments opposing gay marriage are so foolish and absurd that they are mind numbing.

The young man, indeed, is very well spoken and is a credit to his moms. As a life long Iowan, I have had a front row seat to this controversy. And I freely admit, I voted to kick out each of our Surpreme Court judges after they overstepped their Constitutional boundaries and ruled the gay marriage was permitted under our state constitution. For those still reading, I did not do it because of the issue, but more that the citizens of Iowa, overwhelmingly expressed their desire to want to vote on the issue only to have their elected officials and judges take the matter out of our hands.

Personally, I do not think it's a good idea. I have, however, told friends of mine who are homosexual, that should they come home to Iowa to marry their significant others, I will happily attend the ceremonies and wish them all the luck in the world.


However, the one question no one has stepped to answer for me, is where do you draw the line? See as much as people like to say we cannot legislate morality, the truth is, we do.....everyday.

So the question is, where do we draw the line? Because I know of at least three "triads" in Iowa who are planning to press for their right to become recognized as legal marriages in Iowa. In case "triad" has confused some, it's two women, one man or one woman, two men. For those of you in favor of gay marriage, are you okay with threesome marriages? Bigamy? Or as some are trying in places in Europe, the right for an adult to marry a minor? Where are you willing to draw the discrimination line? Because, if you rule against the examples I just gave you.....you are discriminating against those people, just as much as we would be discriminating against gay couples if we told them they couldn't marry.

I do not recall being abused as a child but I don't think abuse is a reason for homosexuality or all homosexuals would have been abused.

It has alot to do with something that happened in child hood, not necessarily abuse but I think coming in contact with another male or being groped by another male in a sexual way can cause these things to happen, espchally if it happens before puberty.

How about if I said that I am open to the possibilty that god exists. Would you then meet me halfway and reason that there is chance, however remote the possibility is within your reasoning that I was born homosexual?

I will agree someone can grow up thinking they are gay, but It is not possible for someone to be 'born gay'. Because there is no 'gay gene' so to speak.

EDIT: I can never be heterosexual. I could choose to abstain from homosexual activities but that is the extent to which it could go. I have no idea if heterosexuals can have homosexual urges or how it works for bisexuals but I believe they can go either way and remain happily monogamous or swing back and forth.

Have you ever had sexual contact with a woman or had intercourse with a one? If you have not then I don't see how you can know you are gay if you have never tried it.