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Kentucky Church bans interracial couples

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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Yep, pritty sad this kind of mentality and ignorance still exists in society, not surprising though:



A small Pike County church has voted not to accept interracial couples as members or let them take part in some worship activities.

The decision has caused sharp reaction and disapproval in the Eastern Kentucky county.

"It's not the spirit of the community in any way, shape or form," Randy Johnson, president of the Pike County Ministerial Association, said of the vote.

The issue came up at the Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church, said Dean Harville, a longtime member who serves as church secretary and clerk.


Read more: www.kentucky.com...

Well considering it's been alittle under 50 years since State and Federal racial segregation and anti-interracial marriage laws were abolished thanks to the ruling of the Supreme court and the Federal government, we still have some time to go before one's skin or racial make up becomes irrelevant in society in general. This kind of mentality is still around, especially in the South. Some folks just want to continue stubbornly living backwards.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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There seems to be a lot of intolerance in your post, but of course I must be mistaken because you are a tolerant person correct?



Well considering it's been alittle under 50 years since state and federal racial segregation and and anti-interracial marriage laws were abolished thanks to the ruling of the supreme court and the federal government


That was a good thing? The Feds had no right to tell a state what they could do with their marriage laws. There is not one amendment in the Constitution that says "everyone has a right to marry who they want", so where did the Feds get the power to enforce this 'equality' on the states? They pulled it out of their rear end, per usual.


we still have some time to go before one's skin or racial make up becomes irrelevant in society in general.


Skin color is not irrelevant, anyone with a functioning brain and not blinded by egalitarian PC nonsense could tell you that. With different race comes different culture, physical features, genetic traits, which effect IQ even (uh oh I went there!) It is nice to live in a fantasy land where your ideology creates the truth, but truth is blind to any personal ideology no matter how hard you try and dismiss it.




This kind of mentality is still around, especially in the South. Some folks just want to continue stubbornly living backwards.


Are you an elitist or what? I suppose everyone is equal so long as they agree with you but when they have a dissenting point of view they are "stubbornly living backwards". Everyone should know it is true by now; the most intolerant people are the intellectually liberalized. The multikulti group think has sure done a number on our society.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." - William F. Buckley

I would never date outside my race, I even try and stick to my own ethnicity but there are few Hungarians in America. I am a racialist (not racist, don't know the difference look it up), proud of it and would never change for anything in the world. There are different ethnicities, tribes, races, etc... For a reason, it makes the whole world diverse and unique. But I guess you will only be happy once every race, or more specifically the white race, commits genocide against itself and everyone is brown, uninteresting, un-unique, and all the lowest common denominator.




As for this church, I think it is perfectly fine what they did. It is a private institution and they have the right to make their own choices on who they want in there. If the interracial couple dislike it so much go elsewhere, no one is holding a gun to their head and telling them they have to go to that one specific church. Besides, why would you want to go somewhere you know you are not welcome?


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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i have never seen a more appropriate avatar.

its a pity we dont have george jefferson around to counter your attempt at an argument.


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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Last time I checked George Jefferson was a racialist, a black man proud of his own heritage. I would gladly embrace him, all races need to be preserved as they are all threatened by the PC Left. Please, bring George Jefferson here.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Pikeville Ky is still a very rural place. As for "Doesn't suprise you " please don't generalize.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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why? need your laundry done?

are you sure hes smart enough to manage it?


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
There seems to be a lot of intolerance in your post,


I'm intolerant of racists? Oh the irony. Yes I did call the folks at that church stubborn and backwards in their way of thinking. You take offense? No my problem.



That was a good thing? The Feds had no right to tell a state what they could do with their marriage laws. There is not one amendment in the Constitution that says "everyone has a right to marry who they want",


So you agree with the idea that states can ban two american citizens from marrying based on their race? This is really what you support? What alot of hogwash. You're damned straight the supreme court took the right action, no government should be dictating whom americans love or marry based on race. Infact, marriage shouldn't even be a federal or state matter, it should be a private matter. No government should be getting involved in the first place. no government should be intruding into private lives. But I suppose you support expanding government in this case!


so where did the Feds get the power to enforce this 'equality' on the states?


How is allowing american citizens to be with, hold relations with ormarry whom the hell they want regardless of race to do with equality? Nobody is forcing anybody to accept interracial marriage, I'm not forcing you to like it and I'm not forcing you to get involved in other people's lives, it shouldn't be yours or the governments business in the first place.



Skin color is not irrelevant, anyone with a functioning brain and not blinded by egalitarian PC nonsense could tell you that.


Obviously I never implied this, but I guess you prefer to judge ones character based on their skin color then I take it.


Are you an elitist or what? I suppose everyone is equal so long as they agree with you


Let me repeat this to you again. I believe that racists are backwards, they disgust me. You disgust me.


I would never date outside my race, I even try and stick to my own ethnicity but there are few Hungarians in America. I am a racialist (not racist, don't know the difference look it up), proud of it


You're a racist? Well thanks for coming out of woodwork Misoir. Can't say I'm not surprised.


As for this church, I think it is perfectly fine what they did. It is a private institution and they have the right to make their own choices on who they want in there. If the interracial couple dislike it so much go elsewhere,


Yes this is true. The Church, as a private organisation, can ban this couple, it is their right. This couple can go forth and seek a different place. You are free to hold a view, you are free to support what church is doing, and like wise, I will hold my views about people like you and speak out.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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After horrendous experiences with white women all my life, I am strongly looking into other cultures that want to keep their family intact as a first instinct, instead of listening to all their non-hetero friends tell them to reach for a lawyer.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Elisha03011972
Pikeville Ky is still a very rural place. As for "Doesn't suprise you " please don't generalize.
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Where did I generalize? I said I'm 'not surprised this mentality still exists in society today'. Where did I specifically mention Pikeville and all the people from Pikeville Ky? Yep, folks are certainly jumpy today.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Sounds like the choir in this church would feel perfectly at home, wearing white sheets as choir gowns.

To bring back a much hyped saying....What would Jesus do....


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I'm intolerant of racists? Oh the irony. Yes I did call the folks at that church stubborn and backwards in their way of thinking. You take offense? No my problem.


I do not take offense; I think it is quite funny actually. Just trying to point out what I view as a sort of inconsistency in your pov. But it is obvious that ‘tolerance’ means tolerance only towards those you like.


So you agree with the idea that states can ban two american citizens from marrying based on their race? This is really what you support? What alot of hogwash. You're damned straight the supreme court took the right action, no government should be dictating whom americans love or marry based on race. Infact, marriage shouldn't even be a federal or state matter, it should be a private matter. No government should be getting involved in the first place. no government should be intruding into private lives. But I suppose you support expanding government in this case!


Is that what I said I support? No. What I said was that the Feds had no right to interfere in state affairs relating to an issue that is not defined in the Constitution, hence the Tenth Amendment. Does that immediately imply that I agreed with the state interference in the private affairs of two individuals? Nope.


How is allowing american citizens to be with, hold relations with ormarry whom the hell they want regardless of race to do with equality? Nobody is forcing anybody to accept interracial marriage, I'm not forcing you to like it and I'm not forcing you to get involved in other people's lives, it shouldn't be yours or the governments business in the first place.


Yes, I agree it should be no business of the government. My point was that the Feds overstepped their boundaries on the issue; this was something the states held as their own decision. So the Supreme Court extended its activism to a place it did not belong to enforce their own ideology, i.e. egalitarianism.


Obviously I never implied this, but I guess you prefer to judge ones character based on their skin color then I take it.


No, I base their character on the person they are on the inside. But that does not mean one cannot believe in the differences of race and love their own racial/ethnic identity.


Let me repeat this to you again. I believe that racists are backwards, they disgust me. You disgust me.


The feeling is mutual.


You're a racist? Well thanks for coming out of woodwork Misoir. Can't say I'm not surprised.


Do you have a reading problem? I said: “I am a racialist (not racist, don't know the difference look it up)”.


Yes this is true. The Church, as a private organisation, can ban this couple, it is their right. This couple can go forth and seek a different place. You are free to hold a view, you are free to support what church is doing, and like wise, I will hold my views about people like you and speak out.


I agree there should be no state intervention in private affairs. You are free to say/think whatever you want and same for goes for me.


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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White, Hispanic, Black whoever, if they are willing to do my laundry I do not care they are welcomed!


It is so funny seeing people fail to comprehend the difference between racial supremacy and racial pride. You poor bastards did not have a chance.


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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racialist
a person who believes their racism is justified, whether through religion or deep personal belief, as opposed to a normal racist who may be against other races through ignorance or not having actually thought about it.

Actually both are just ignorant..I have no clue as to why you people just go back to whatever country your from?

I mean if you love your own so much...live with them..let normal society progress while you people live in the middle ages.

If races weren't meant to mix then there is no way we would be able to create life with one another. Poor people like you who think the white race is being phased out are just idiotic. Both races that mate with one another are just creating the same race...THE HUMAN RACE.

If you think your "race" is being phased out by mixing..then why do the others not think so...ie Asian mixing with Caucasion...doesn't the Asian also supposedly lose out too.

There is also no white culture..there is Jewish, Irish and other cultures but no white culture that defines it. Just like there is no black culture...Jamaican or African or other cultures but no one black culture that defines it.


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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
Skin color is not irrelevant, anyone with a functioning brain and not blinded by egalitarian PC nonsense could tell you that. With different race comes different culture, physical features, genetic traits, which effect IQ even (uh oh I went there!) It is nice to live in a fantasy land where your ideology creates the truth, but truth is blind to any personal ideology no matter how hard you try and dismiss it.


The IQ thing is BS. You are spreading junk science disinformation.

The fact is environmental and educational factors have an effect on IQ, minorities make up a high percentage of those in poverty making them have a statistical disadvantage. You'll probably retort by saying they are in poverty because of their low IQ's, but yet again your making false assumptions, let me explain.

I learned in my college psychology class about a study where teachers were told that certain students had high IQs, when in reality the students they choose had average IQs. Because those kids were treated differently by their teachers (even though the teachers didn't do it on purpose), they ended up performing better in school than the average, just because of how they were treated.

Now imagine that on a larger scale, with racists like you spreading disinfo like that, it has the same effect.

"cuz even though we survived through the struggle that made us
We still look at ourselves through the eyes of the people that hate us"

This song is for you, that is where the quote above comes from and it explains the evils of you ignorant mentality.
If you don't understand the song and how applies to your nonsense, then you are the one with low IQ.


edit- Have you ever taken a real IQ test? Not those online ones. I have multiple times in treatment during therapy and before that because of my learning disabilities (and btw I scored very well). The verbal section requires a high level of vocabulary and grammar. Now look at culture, the fact is those in poverty often use slang etc, they don't use propper grammar or a high level of vocabulary as often as people of other backgrounds. It really depends on the culture of an area, NOT genetics. Anyway, that would put people who grew up in a certain place at a disadvantage. That's another thing you didn't factor in to your IQ non-sense.

This subject is a soft spot for me because I spent a month in South Africa over the summer, and there are still a lot of people there openly racist against blacks since the apartheid era. It's disgusting and I have seen the effects.

I went to Soweto, the ghetto where Nelson Mandela lived. I met a lady there who had no formal education but could speak 7 languages fluently. I saw first hand what racism did in that country and is still doing, so I do NOT take kindly to it. I believe you are just misguided, but you obviously don't understand the damage your mentality can do.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
I do not take offense; I think it is quite funny actually. Just trying to point out what I view as a sort of inconsistency in your pov. But it is obvious that ‘tolerance’ means tolerance only towards those you like.


Inconsistency? I did not imply nor state that one must respect every view, ever. Where on earth did you get this idea that this is what the OP said?? I don't like racists, I don't like corrupt politicians, I don't like terrorists. There are no inconsistencies in my views or beliefs so far as I can see. You're not making sense.



Is that what I said I support? No. What I said was that the Feds had no right to interfere in state affairs


So then obviously you do support it. You support the right of States to tell americans whom they can marry and spend their lives with. You support the right of States to dictate racial segregation. So please, tell me again that I got your view wrong, because this is obviously what you were implying when you said the federal government had no business.



Yes, I agree it should be no business of the government. My point was that the Feds overstepped their boundaries on the issue. this was something the states held as their own decision


So you agree that the government has no right in dictating racial segregation and marriages based on race for american citizens, yet, you support the right of state governments to do that very? You do know this is hypocritical right? How does an invasive state government differ from an invasive federal government? This seriously makes sense to you?



No, I base their character on the person they are on the inside. But that does not mean one cannot believe in the differences of race and love their own racial/ethnic identity.


So you go on about how the color of somebody's skin should be relevant in judging a person, as that is what I argued against in my original post, then you post a video about races and IQ's, obviously generalizing entire groups, and now you change your tone? Why are you walking back from what you so clearly meant and stated before?



Do you have a reading problem? I said: “I am a racialist


You're a racialist, oh goodness. So you believe that:

The color of one skin does clearly make judgement to who they are, you post a video about IQ's and different races to add to this view,
You agree that States should have the right to racially segregate american citizens by force, the same in marriage,
You wouldn't marry outside your race yourself because you believe it's wrong.

But you're not a racist and wish not to be treated as such? I don't know what to say to this, I'm amazed that you'd deluded yourself into thinking your not a racist. I mean I guess the truth doesn't sit well, eh?



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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When two people from two different races have a child that child belongs to neither race, it is interracial thus a mix of two which destroys both. And yes the White race is not only dying off but being encouraged by the pseudo anti-racists, this encouragement of race mixing and mass immigration is only occurring in one part of the world for a reason. No one is advocating this sort of race mixing and multiculturalism in Japan, Saudi Arabia, or the Congo, and I wonder why that is…


The people who are foolish enough to sacrifice their own racial/ethnic heritage should be ashamed of themselves, but they won’t be. They will be encouraged to do that to fulfill an ideology espoused by the Cultural Marxists. Is that conspiracy theory nutjob talk? No, it is well documented and there for you to view if you so choose. This was a planned strategy, plain and simple. People walked right into it.

Yes I agree with you that on a whole there is no ‘white culture’ BUT since many White’s live outside of their ethnic homelands across the world there is little opportunity for us to unite ethnically so we must choose the next best thing; race.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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That goes back to the nature versus nurture debate. You are assuming that nature, i.e. genetics, must be ruled out of the equation. Well I beg to differ, both are important, I am not saying IQ is nature alone but that nature does play an important role. Science is not allowed to further study this using a true scientific method because of the ridiculous ‘anti-racialist’ PC lunatics who immediately launch an inquisition against anyone who deviates from the established ideological line.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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When two people from two different races have a child that child belongs to neither race, it is interracial thus a mix of two which destroys both. And yes the White race is not only dying off but being encouraged by the pseudo anti-racists, this encouragement of race mixing and mass immigration is only occurring in one part of the world for a reason. No one is advocating this sort of race mixing and multiculturalism in Japan, Saudi Arabia, or the Congo, and I wonder why that is…


Oh it's the 'white race is dying' argument. So I guess all communities must do their part and follow what this church is doing? Because obviously you feel it's justified, given the, uhh, circumstances.....

Whites will still be around well after you and me die. If anything, whites have the longest life expectancy and health. This is just nonsense, african americans make up just 12% of the US population and have been on the decline since the 19th century in this country, do you see them jumping? there is no threat or issue, only ones made up by racists to justify their bigotry.

As for Europe? More than 90% of Britain is still white. Please.


it is well documented


Yep, visit stormfront for more information folks.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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That goes back to the nature versus nurture debate. You are assuming that nature, i.e. genetics, must be ruled out of the equation. Well I beg to differ, both are important, I am not saying IQ is nature alone but that nature does play an important role. Science is not allowed to further study this using a true scientific method because of the ridiculous ‘anti-racialist’ PC lunatics who immediately launch an inquisition against anyone who deviates from the established ideological line.


Read my edit to my post. I added a lot more.

I agree it is a balance between nature, nurture, and also nutrition.

It is also important to point out, there is NO benefit to classifying a whole race by IQ.... unless you have a racist (or as you say "racial") ulterior motive! Seriously, think about it. There are people of ALL races with high and low IQs, generalizing does nothing. You don't marry a white lady because statistics say she should have a higher IQ, you get to know the lady a decide if she is smart if that is what you are looking for. There are plenty of black people who have higher IQ's than both you and I and there is no benefit of classifying people. Besides the fact I think your studies are flawed.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Inconsistency? I did not imply nor state that one must respect every view, ever. Where on earth did you get this idea that this is what the OP said?? I don't like racists, I don't like corrupt politicians, I don't like terrorists. There are no inconsistencies in my views or beliefs so far as I can see. You're not making sense.


My point was that the egalitarians always talk about this mythical equality of sorts but are so willing to hang a person with a different point of view. Obviously, after reading your past reply, you are not one of those types of egalitarians. So I do apologize for my first hit against you.


So then obviously you do support it. You support the right of States to tell americans whom they can marry and spend their lives with. You support the right of States to dictate racial segregation. So please, tell me again that I got your view wrong, because this is obviously what you were implying when you said the federal government had no business.


I do believe that a state has a right to interfere in marriages but just because they have that right does not make it right to do so. It is like with the 16th amendment, it exists for taxation but I do not believe we should have taxation even though the government still has that right to tax. Get my point?


So you agree that the government has no right in dictating racial segregation and marriages based on race for american citizens, yet, you support the right of state governments to do that very? You do know this is hypocritical right? How does an invasive state government differ from an invasive federal government? This seriously makes sense to you?


The Federal government never had the right to interfere in the private business of marriage, so the states gave themselves the right. In my opinion they do have the right to interfere BUT as I said earlier, just because you have the right to do something does not mean you should do it. The state can interfere if they want, it is a policy tool at their disposal (at least it was) but I would vote against ever using it because my belief is that the government should not be involved, whether it is state or federal.


So you go on about how the color of somebody's skin should be relevant in judging a person, as that is what I argued against in my original post, then you post a video about races and IQ's, obviously generalizing entire groups, and now you change your tone? Why are you walking back from what you so clearly meant and stated before?


You should not have any sexual relationship with a person of a different race, which is judging by the exterior. But that does not mean you should judge a person in ordinary life based upon their character. For instance, if I am walking around a grocery store it would be wrong to immediately judge someone just by their skin color BUT if someone asked me out who was of color their character would be irrelevant. I can be their friend if their character is good, but not anything more.

As for IQ yes there are studies that show clearly there is a difference in IQ among the races. That does not mean every black person is the average black American IQ of 85, which means that 85 is the average. 100 is the average for Whites, but there are dumber and smarter ones, it is just an average. Besides a person can have an IQ of 50 and still have a very good character, they may be loving, kind, and loyal without having a high IQ and a person with an IQ of 150 can be mean, heartless, and a liar.


You're a racialist, oh goodness. So you believe that:

The color of one skin does clearly make judgement to who they are, you post a video about IQ's and different races to add to this view,
You agree that States should have the right to racially segregate american citizens by force, the same in marriage,
You wouldn't marry outside your race yourself because you believe it's wrong.

But you're not a racist and wish not to be treated as such? I don't know what to say to this, I'm amazed that you'd deluded yourself into thinking your not a racist. I mean I guess the truth doesn't sit well, eh?


Racialism: “An emphasis on race or racial considerations, as in determining policy or interpreting events.”

en.wikipedia.org...

Call me a racist if you want, I am past the point of caring.


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