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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I dare you to disprove those things I listed that you left out of the quote.
I have not come into this world to make men better, but to make use of their weaknesses.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
We do know his intent.. because we saw it come to fruition. I feel like I am talking to a child. You are the one making him out to be something he is not. He was a manipulator and his words are still manipulating you to this moment which is hilarious to me.
“The German national intellects secretly whispered to each other again and again the suspicion that we were fundamentally also only a variety of Marxism, perhaps even merely disguised Marxists or [international] Socialists. For to this day these heads have not grasped the difference between Socialism and Marxism. Adolf Hitler
Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, Deutschland, Deutschland, über Alles, to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land, land and people — that man is a Socialist.
Hitler had a deep hatred of the Social Democratic party, which he believed "fostered class conflicts at the expense of national unity" (Bullock 42). In Mein Kampf, he outlines his distaste of the Social Democratic movement, being turned off by their hostility towards the maintenance of Germanism in Austria (31) and their opposition to social demands by the working class (35-36). The Social Democratic Party remained antagonistic and disparaging to Hitler; he believed that "...the working men were the victims of a deliberate system for corrupting and poisoning the popular mind, organized by the Social Democratic Party's leaders, who cynically exploited the distress of the masses" for their political gains (Bullock 38). Hitler was also critical of the Social Democrats for their dependence on internationalization and foreign trade. With this in mind, it is no wonder that Hitler believed that Jews were the leaders of Social Democracy and therefore to be hated (Hitler, Mein Kampf 43).
Hitler's meaning of socialism, therefore did not refer to a specific economic system, but to "an instinct for national self-preservation................................
In light of Hitler's anti-democratic stance, substantial contradictions arise. He named his party the 'National Socialist Party', yet he conveniently ignored the fact that socialism and communism both stem from Marxism, a political philosophy he hated (Miller and Minsky 15). Furthermore, the phrase National Socialist implies conflicting ideologies: the right wing nationalist and the left-wing socialist. There were indeed socialist clauses in the 25-Point program, yet most of them were not implemented after Hitler came to power (Grunfeld 112). Hitler can be viewed a hypocrite concerning his chief ally during World War II: he, known as the "prophet of Aryan greatness" (Brogan 512), took Japan as his country's main ally. This may have been surprising, given Japan's lack of Aryans. Hitler was drawn more to Japan's strict military operations and extreme nationalism than to their racial makeup.
Originally posted by sonnny1
His brand of "socialism" is like no other. He united Germany,based on creed,race,hate. Its the underlining message that you fail to understand. The NAZI party was ruled by fear. Nationalistic pride was first and foremost the message to a strong united Germany.It wasn't EVERYONE is welcome to our socialistic utopia. How anyone could call him a real socialist,is beyond me,although I guess if you want to call a united Germany,socialistic,you have me there. Semantics is what I see.
ETA,I also stated he was a mix of everything,Right Left,which ever suited his purposes.edit on 6-12-2011 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)
Socialism in One Country was a theory put forth by Joseph Stalin in 1924, elaborated by Nikolai Bukharin in 1925 and finally adopted as state policy by Stalin. The thesis held that given the defeat of all communist revolutions in Europe from 1917–1921 except in Russia, the Soviet Union should begin to strengthen itself internally.
Though promoted at the time as an ideology of necessity, not core belief, the theory came to define the course of political construction within the Soviet Union throughout its history. Today the expression is largely used as one of approbation since its thesis is held to be antithetical to Marxist Socialism by Trotskyists and others.
Originally posted by sonnny1
Read the Link. Im not going to argue either with you. You have your mind made up on your Opinion. Its obvious that Hitlers socialism was not socialism. It was a name placed on madness,but your too busy fighting his good fight. Carry on...........................
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
Hitler controlled the means of production even when he allowed SOME people to have their "corporations/businesses", but Hitler and the Nazi controlled them, they could even shut them down if these people did not do as commanded...
Roosevelt made the case for what he called the New Nationalism in a speech in Osawatomie, Kansas, on August 31, 1910. The central issue he argued was government protection of human welfare and property rights, but he also argued that human welfare was more important than property rights. He insisted that only a powerful federal government could regulate the economy and guarantee social justice, and that a President can only succeed in making his economic agenda successful if he makes the protection of human welfare his highest priority. Roosevelt believed that the concentration in industry was a natural part of the economy. He wanted executive agencies (not the courts) to regulate business. The federal government should be used to protect the laboring men, women and children from exploitation. In terms of policy, Roosevelt's platform included a broad range of social and political reforms advocated by progressives.
In the social sphere the platform called for
A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled.
Limited injunctions in strikes.
A minimum wage law for women.
An eight hour workday.
A federal securities commission.
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries.
An inheritance tax.
A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax.
The political reforms proposed included
Direct election of Senators.
Primary elections for state and federal nominations.
However, the main theme of the platform was an attack on the domination of politics by business interests, which allegedly controlled both established parties. The platform asserted that
To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.
To that end, the platform called for
Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions.
Registration of lobbyists.
Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings.
The book The Promise of American Life, written in 1909 by Herbert Croly, influenced Theodore Roosevelt. New Nationalism was in direct contrast with Woodrow Wilson's policy of The New Freedom, which promoted antitrust modification, tariff reduction, and banking and currency reform.
An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where
the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and
allocation of resources. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries,
fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were
contingent upon service to the state.