Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


You know, the ignorance shown by so many people

It's not so many people, it just looks that way because you post soo much. Usually it is just the same thing over and over and it rarely makes sense, but if this thread is being fleshed out with ignorance it's yours.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

That is because private pharmaceutical companies have little incentive to export their drugs to cuba. venezuela, africa, and every other poor or highely nationalised economy. Wall Street is about profit so naturally investors encourage the corporate management to sell in america, australia, and other free market capitalist nations, to make the most profit.

No... that is because Cuba, Venezuela, etc, don't want anything "for the people" from capitalist countries, they just want to make enough money to keep their socialist dictatorships alive...

In Cuba for example there are two types of hospitals. One is for the regular Cuban people, and the other one is for the rich tourists, and in Cuba every tourist is rich.

The hospitals that are for the regular Cuban people are always missing the essentials, including simple aspirins, meanwhile the hospitals for tourists are so clean you could even eat off the floor. The tourist hospitals have all the modern equipment, and are well stocked and supplied...

The regular Cuban people CANNOT go to tourist hospitals, even if they have dollars/euros/Canadian dollars etc to pay...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The goals of the capitalist are not the same of the socialist "humanitarian". There exists a huge conflict of interest which is easy to spot.

corporations are not capitlaist in nature, they are socialist. Many of the wars people like you keep blaming the U.S. in doing happened because corporations wanted a stake from the resources in those countries, and as i have proven time and again, corporations are...

Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership[size]" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

en.wikipedia.org...

Does anyone know what a "cooperative enterprise" is?

Let's go back to wikipedia to find out exactly what a "cooperative enterprise" is...

A cooperative (also co-operative or co-op) is a business organization owned and operated by a group of individuals for their mutual benefit.[1] A cooperative is defined by the International Cooperative Alliance's Statement on the Cooperative Identity as "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through jointly owned and democratically controlled enterprise".[2] A cooperative may also be defined as a business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its services or by the people who work there. Various aspects regarding cooperative enterprise are the focus of study in the field of cooperative economics.

en.wikipedia.org...

in socialism cooperative enterprise/s can be in charge, and cooperative enterprises are BUSINESSES...


BTW, if you don't want to believe wikipedia just do a search with the words "socialism cooperative enterprise" and see what happens...

For example....

Link

Link

The PROUT Worker Cooperatives
By Carla Dickstein, Ph.D.
Cooperative enterprises—worker, consumer, agricultural and credit—form the core of a PROUT economy. The majority of manufacturing and service enterprises are organized as worker cooperatives.
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That's just a few of them, and there are many.

www.bergonia.org...

www.marxists.org...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
For this reason free market socialism is ideal because it limits government control to the public sector with banking and major industry, while allowing the freedom to private entrepreneurs in other less critical sectors to enjoy the fruit of their labor.

Wow, you are really, really confused.

There is no such thing as "free market socialism"... "free market", and "socialism" cannot go together because in socialism the market/the means of production is owned by the state, corporations( which are cooperative enterprises), or in general by a group of people CLAIMING to represent the people...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Case in point. You have posted that at least three times that I know of in this thread.
You can keep posting it. Post it a hundred times. It still doesn't make your argument.

Hitler used socialism to ensnare the minds of the citizens he used. The german socialist workers party or whatever it was called was a misnomer under Hitler. A historically recognized misnomer. Just has he is historically recognized as far right wing. He used used a socialism bluff. You would learn something if you tried to understand, but you apparently aren't in this for knowledge, but for the lame agenda of equating socialism and leftist ideas with Hitler.

Your opinions live and die only in this thread.. maybe the will be picked up by a few people fool enough to believe them, but I doubt it.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


No... that is because Cuba, Venezuela, etc, don't want anything "for the people" from capitalist countries, they just want to make enough money to keep their socialist dictatorships alive...

In Cuba for example there are two types of hospitals. One is for the regular Cuban people, and the other one is for the rich tourists, and in Cuba every tourist is rich.

The hospitals that are for the regular Cuban people are always missing the essentials, including simple aspirins, meanwhile the hospitals for tourists are so clean you could even eat off the floor. The tourist hospitals have all the modern equipment, and are well stocked and supplied...

The regular Cuban people CANNOT go to tourist hospitals, even if they have dollars/euros/Canadian dollars etc to pay...

That is the reason why Haitians bypass the lovely Island of Cuba,on their way to America.
Cuba is only 300+ miles away,but they risk all for America.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


It's not so many people, it just looks that way because you post soo much. Usually it is just the same thing over and over and it rarely makes sense, but if this thread is being fleshed out with ignorance it's yours.

You are entitled to your opinion. But all you have done is make CLAIMS, I keep posting EVIDENCE and FACTS.

If for you EVIDENCE AND FACTS are ignorance, go ahead, more power to you I guess...

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


Case in point. You have posted that at least three times that I know of in this thread.
You can keep posting it. Post it a hundred times. It still doesn't make your argument.

Hitler used socialism to ensnare the minds of the citizens he used. ....

No, the case in point is that YOU keep trying to make us think YOU know what Hitler wanted to do...but YOU don't...

Unless you want to claim that YOU are Hitler incarnate and know it from experience...

Otherwise EVIDENCE, and FACTS tell a different story from the lies and assumptions you keep making, and you keep pulling out of some imaginary hat...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


No you post definitions and claim them as facts. Repeating something doesn't make them true.

Here are some actual facts for you:

Hitler was far right.
Hitler used the appeal of socialism to gather support, he wasn't a socialist. He used it for a while and then dropped it when it became beneficial to do so. All a game.
Hitler hated communism.
Hitler hated liberalism.
Hitler hated marxism.
The National Socialist German Workers Party was a misnomer and not actually socialist (which puts a spike through the heart of both your argument and this thread)
The party you are looking for to make your point (the actial socialist party of germany at the time) was the Socialist Workers' Party of Germany. Different party.

So yeah, you have been wrong throughout this thread. Basing your entire opinion on the fact that the Nazi party's original title "Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party" had the word socialist in it. Apparently you aren't aware of the idea of misnomers and can't swallow something not being what it's name suggests. You and everyone else trying to call Hitler and the Nazi's socialists in this thread are incorrectly (and hilariously since you have been so pompous about it, which I love when someone is pompous and then turn out wrong, so keep it up) applying attributes to them that actually belong to the Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.

So you are wrong all over the place. I am sure you will just keep on being wrong and post forever though.

So, in conclusion the OP's title is incorrect and you are incorrect.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

No you post definitions and claim them as facts.


Hitler hated communism.

"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive." -Adolf Hitler

He hated Communism.

reply to post by sonnny1


That is what I said.
???
I said he hated communism. He hated liberalism. He hated Marxism.
Are you just backing up what I said for me?
Thanks I guess.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow







I know you did.

Figured I would back it up,with some fact..............Cause I see lots of folks hammering you.

It also helps your argument.

reply to post by sonnny1


Oh thanks. I know it's crazy. I am not lying and making it up about him being right leaning and not a socialist. Electric Universe and HoneyComb seem to think it's terrible to have Hitler be right leaning and want him to be left sooo bad. Electric thinks I am saying all this because I am a socialist (as some right wing media has trained him to think that of anyone that disagrees with him), but you know that I am a libertarian which makes me right leaning. I am just telling it like it is for the record. Not with an agenda like these guys.

Also worth noticing in that quote you posted that he spoke of them as a republic. Take notice Electric and Honey C.

As far as I can tell hitler was no socialist , he was a murder the likes of charles manson , not actually killing anyone himself , however using his position of power to force others to do his dirty work.

Hitler was a facist because he saw how well facism was doing for the italians and the power of their country it gave them.

Only reason I know this is because I studied futurism , the art movement of the 1920's - 30's originating in facist italy. The only art movement which was tolerated by facism in Italy.

America , is not so disimilar to a facist state now, you have control of media. police state, you have the torture of gitmo . you Her Obama , and his total power to assissinate any dissidents who oppose his rule .
You have corporate control of resources feeding the government. You have nationalist pride through waging war.

America took the facist playbook and dressed it up like democracy .
its all under our noses America = Facism

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

No you post definitions and claim them as facts. Repeating something doesn't make them true.

Here are some actual facts for you:

The only one claiming facts are truth is you, and you don't even provide ONE IOTA of evidence to support your lies, and claims...

Sorry, EVIDENCE and FACTS ALWAYS win against false claims, lies, and assumtions that come out of an imaginary hat...

Originally posted by sapien82
As far as I can tell hitler was no socialist , he was a murder the likes of charles manson , not actually killing anyone himself , however using his position of power to force others to do his dirty work.

Hitler was a facist because he saw how well facism was doing for the italians and the power of their country it gave them.
...

And Lenin, Stalin, Mao, castro, Hitler, Mussolini, etc were/are no murderers?...

They all had/have one thing in common, they were all LEFTWINGERS... They all wanted one form or another of socialism to control their nations, or the world.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Oh thanks. I know it's crazy. I am not lying and making it up about him being right leaning and not a socialist. Electric Universe and HoneyComb seem to think it's terrible to have Hitler be right leaning and want him to be left sooo bad. Electric thinks I am saying all this because I am a socialist (as some right wing media has trained him to think that of anyone that disagrees with him), but you know that I am a libertarian which makes me right leaning. I am just telling it like it is for the record. Not with an agenda like these guys.

Also worth noticing in that quote you posted that he spoke of them as a republic. Take notice Electric and Honey C.

edit on 6-12-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

All good. You have always claimed Libertarian views,and if someone doesnt believe you,tough.....

Hitler was an enigma. He was bat# crazy also. He leaned right/left and in between. He was a RACIST. He believed in Eugenics. He was a murder.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I dare you to disprove those things I listed that you left out of the quote.
I know you can't. They are facts. I don't have to post the evidence because we are on the net and it only takes a person two seconds to find out that they are all true. I would post all the evidence but you would just ignore it because you have to. You are trapped behind your computer and you have to make arguments to keep the conversation going so you have something to do. Sad existence. Stop trolling and start contributing.

I have posted the truth. As far as I am concerned the thread has been HOAXED. I hope you find peace and more constructive stimulation in your mentally stagnating/crippled existence. Sincerely I do. It's clear that there is something you are compensating for and I am sorry. Have a good day.

Originally posted by sonnny1

I know you did.

Figured I would back it up,with some fact..............Cause I see lots of folks hammering you.

It also helps your argument.

Oh yeah... Hitler was VERY rightwing... RIIIGHT...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

We are not trying very hard to make Hitler something he was not, it is the people who don't want to accept the fact that he was a SOCIALIST...

The 25 points of the NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler. They were publically presented on 24 February 1920 "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:

[T]he program of the new movement was summed up in a few guiding principles, twenty-five in all. They were devised to give, primarily to the man of the people, a rough picture of the movement's aims. They are in a sense a political creed, which on the one hand recruits for the movement and on the other is suited to unite and weld together by a commonly recognized obligation those who have been recruited.

Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

In these straightforward statements of intent, Hitler translated his ideology into a plan of action which would prove its popularity with the German people throughout the coming years. For many, the abruptness of its departure from the tradition of politics as practiced in the western world was as much of a shock as its liberal nature and foresight of the emerging problems of western democracy.
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constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

Hitler a rightwing...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


YOU and people like you are the ones trying to make Hitler something he was not...

YOU are trying to claim "he only used socialism" as if YOU knew his intent, when what he DID, what he SAID, and what he WROTE tell a different story from the lies you are trying to proclaim are the truth...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


We do know his intent.. because we saw it come to fruition. I feel like I am talking to a child. You are the one making him out to be something he is not. He was a manipulator and his words are still manipulating you to this moment which is hilarious to me.