Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


you prove nothing sir.In fascism corporations control govt. In socialism govt controls everything.So how is fascism socialism?

Originally posted by mkgandhas
since when god become socialist?

Keep reading ... you answered your own question.

I guess if old testament were considered then your God is definitely a racist and fascist murderous God.

1 - I didn't say He was 'my god'. My beliefs are irrelevant.
2 - I'm not sure that the 'God' of the Old Testament is actually 'God' ... or just what the men of that time period wanted people to think God was. Example - It looks pretty obvious that the 'God' Moses presented to the people probably wasn't God at all. Either that, or God has multiple personalities .... one minute saying 'do not kill' and the next telling the Jews to wipe out every man, woman and child of 'the enemy' ... and one minute saying 'do not commit adultry' and the next telling Jewish soldiers (through Moses) that they could keep underage virgin girls captured in battle (obviously for sex toys)

New testament-definitely socialist character exhibited

There ya' go .. see?? You answered your own question. That's when 'God' became a socialist.
The God of the bible is socialist ... IF you buy that the bible is the absolute word of God.

Back to the subject ... Hitler was a socialist. And so I say - and so was the God of the Bible.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

, check it out ... yet ANOTHER person posting on ATS with such a high regard for his/her opinion (the conclusion of which is wrong) that he immediately resorts to insults instead of engaging in an adult discussion. Geee .. what a surprise. NOT! :shk:

It gets tiresome that people keep trying to use Jesus to promote their political BS... Jesus was not a political person...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Ya', never read the New Testament it seems. Acts ... the apostles ... living in 'community' ... sharing everything. Strong archeological evidence of 'in common' everything and sharing of all goods. The modern day kibbutz continues on ...

NONE which are found only in socialism...

I know people like you think that "socialism invented all good things" but sorry to tell you BEFORE socialism existed people did all those things... and to this day people still do those things, and most, nor all are "socialists"...

Living in community = every society there is... People shared their goods and services = the same happens in capitalism...

Perhaps this might be news to you but conservatives/Republicans and in general right wing people also partake in generous things...

If you want to discuss a political system which has brought nothing but suffering to this world you better find something else to compare it to, because Jesus isn't it...

BTW, how many of you even believe in God?...

reply to post by FlyersFan


thank you for correcting me. I thought you were one of those loony apocalyptic zionist christians who think that jews are God's chosen.But you are not.God loves everyone .

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


do you believe in God?

reply to post by FlyersFan


So do you believe in the God of the bible?...

Don't try to ignore the question...

If you don't believe in him then don't try to claim it is socialist because you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

do you believe in God?

I am not the one trying to use God and Jesus to promote POLITICAL BS...

Originally posted by mkgandhas

you prove nothing sir.In fascism corporations control govt. In socialism govt controls everything.So how is fascism socialism?

wow...seriously, how many times do I have to post the facts?...

Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

en.wikipedia.org...

Does anyone know what a "cooperative enterprise" is?

Let's go back to wikipedia to find out exactly what a "cooperative enterprise" is...

A cooperative (also co-operative or co-op) is a business organization owned and operated by a group of individuals for their mutual benefit.[1] A cooperative is defined by the International Cooperative Alliance's Statement on the Cooperative Identity as "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through jointly owned and democratically controlled enterprise".[2] A cooperative may also be defined as a business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its services or by the people who work there. Various aspects regarding cooperative enterprise are the focus of study in the field of cooperative economics.

en.wikipedia.org...

in socialism cooperative enterprise/s can be in charge, and cooperative enterprises are BUSINESSES...

So let me ask you, what are corporations?...

reply to post by mkgandhas

Corporation are like people in some legal ways and in Fascism the corporations become some of the "people" ruling the socialist system. Fascism needs a socialist front or else it would just be Modern Feudalism with everything owned by the corporations.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
It gets tiresome that people keep trying to use Jesus to promote their political BS...

I never mentioned Jesus. I said the 'God of the bible'. Two different things ...
And you obviously have NO IDEA what my political thoughts are.

NONE which are found only in socialism...

I never said they were ONLY found in socialism. But the Acts of the Apostles IS socialism.

I know people like you think that "socialism invented all good things"

OMG ... you didn't just say that did you? I'm dying laughing. Seriously .. I've gotta U2U a bunch of people and tell 'em to look at this! You assume way too much

Perhaps this might be news to you but conservatives/Republicans and in general right wing people also partake in generous things...

You did it again! Seriously .. I'm going to have fun with this ...

BTW, how many of you even believe in God?...

Personal belief systems are irrelevant when discussing if Hitler and the God of the bible were socialists.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


cooperative enterprises is one aspect and one aspect does not make fascism socialism.You are indeed making assertions that are fallacious in nature.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
So do you believe in the God of the bible?...

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Don't try to ignore the question...

Don't tell me how to post .. I've been at this a hell of a lot longer than you.

If you don't believe in him then don't try to claim it is socialist because you have no idea of what you are talking about.

WRONG. Example - I don't believe in scientology but I am educated enough on it to know it's a crock. Example - I'm not a registered democrat but I understand what the party stands for. I'm not voting for Newt but I know what he stands for and what his history is. Your statement is wrong. A person doesn't have to be a part of a group and believe in it in order to understand it.

And again ... you have no idea about my belief system and it is IRRELEVANT anyways.

TOPIC - Hitler was a socialist. (yes). And I'd add he was a facist. You can be both, and he was. My remark was that the Apostles in the New Testament were socialists, so if Hitler was wrong for being a socialist, does that make the Apostles wrong as well? Is is a discussion question .. and a good one.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


answer my question.Do you believe in God?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

I never mentioned Jesus. I said the 'God of the bible'. Two different things ...

Not really, according to the bible itself Jesus is both, son, and father.

In case you didn't know the title of God is applied to, or claimed by Jesus in (John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1)

Originally posted by FlyersFan
And you obviously have NO IDEA what my political thoughts are.

When people start defending a political system that is not what those people claim, yet they keep trying to defend it... when the shoe fits...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I never said they were ONLY found in socialism. But the Acts of the Apostles IS socialism.

NOPE... go and ask a priest that same question and post here what he said.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

OMG ... you didn't just say that did you? I'm dying laughing. Seriously .. I've gotta U2U a bunch of people and tell 'em to look at this! You assume way too much

Assume? me? I don't assume. YOU yourself claim that all thatis found in the Acts, in the bible, is socialism...

So YOU obviously think that everything described in Acts can only be found in socialism, which is NOT TRUE...

The joke is on you buddy.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Personal belief systems are irrelevant when discussing if Hitler and the God of the bible were socialists.

Actually they do... Because God/Jesus are spiritual minded, and not mentioning that Jesus himself says that you must believe in God, and in him, so socialists must believe in God and Jesus if you are right...

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

cooperative enterprises is one aspect and one aspect does not make fascism socialism.You are indeed making assertions that are fallacious in nature.

AND READ what it says in wikipedia...

Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

en.wikipedia.org...


IT CAN BE ONE OF.... and cooperative enterprise is ONE OF them....

Again fascism is a socialist ideology...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


wikipedia? Seriously,wikipedia can be edited by anyone.And stop acting so silly.Communism is where workers control production and state.Fascism is where corporations ruled by few dictate society.Please explain your arguement better.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


stop judging others for then you shall you be judged.Seriously,stop condemning the poor person.She/he has certain beliefs and stop attacking them.Your attitude also suggests certain psychological issues with you.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Irrelevant to the discussion.

WRONG, it is VERY relevant.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Don't tell me how to post .. I've been at this a hell of a lot longer than you.

WRONG again, i have been here as long as you have, and btw in case you didn't know that doesn't make you any more knowledgeable...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
WRONG. Example - I don't believe in scientology but I am educated enough on it to know it's a crock. Example - I'm not a registered democrat but I understand what the party stands for. I'm not voting for Newt but I know what he stands for and what his history is. Your statement is wrong. A person doesn't have to be a part of a group and believe in it in order to understand it.

WRONG again... Do you undertand the difference between a SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS life, and a POLITICAL life?...

The bible, and everything in it is a guide to the SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS life of people... It is not a guide to SOCIALISM or ANY political life...

This is actually the last straw when people have to actually claim that SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS life is a "POLITICAL LIFE"...

Originally posted by mkgandhas
wikipedia? Seriously,wikipedia can be edited by anyone.And stop acting so silly.Communism is where workers control production and state.Fascism is where corporations ruled by few dictate society.Please explain your arguement better.

In communism the STATE, claiming to represent the people, is in control of everything. It is for this reason that EVERY communist country, and every communist, is a socialist as well, but not all socialists are communists.

I should know, I was born and lived in a country that is communist.

There are MANY branches of socialism, fascism, nazism, are two of them alongside every other form of socialism and communism.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Not really, according to the bible itself Jesus is both, son, and father.

Um .. no. According to the bible itself, Jesus is god, but He is NOT the Father.
AND Jesus is a small part of the bible.
I said the God of the bible is a socialist .. IF the bible is taken literally.

In case you didn't know ...

Oh sweetie .. don't try to teach me the bible.
I'd bet a box of donuts (and I'd win) that I know it better than you do.

When people start defending a political system

I haven't defended ANY political system. You assume too much.

go and ask a priest that same question and post here what he said.

Priests .. ministers ... nuns ... Rabbis ... whatever ... It IS socialism.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I don't assume.

OMG .. you certainly did. I just had a great time emailing a few folks telling 'em to look at the fella who ASSUMES I'm a far left anti-God person. You ASSUMED. It's very clear. And it's hysterical cuz' you have no idea who you are talking to. (and my 'stand' - if I have one - is irrelevant)

The joke is on you buddy.

Wrong again ... really, really, really wrong.

so socialists must believe in God and Jesus if you are right...

Wrong. You are SERIOUSLY off course and in need of a basic theology course.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
She/he has certain beliefs and stop attacking them.

Yep. She. She has certain beliefs. And as I've said .. they are irrelevant.

Your attitude also suggests certain psychological issues with you.

Oh .. and my degree is in Psychology.