reply to post by Vitchilo
Ive been following this type of cooperation for some time.
Operation shiprider was the pilot program between the RCMP and US Coast Guard. That program dealt solely with maritime borders and concentrated in the
pacific northwest and the great lakes. It cross trained officers on both sides in each others laws and procedures. If the RCMP was in pursuit of a
vessel that crossed into US waters, the Canadian vessel could continue pursuit. Once they crossed into US waters the RCMP officers act as US Coast
Guard, falling under their authority. In the reverse the Coast Guard falls under RCMP authority.
The follow up testing was done in Michigan - Ontario. Detroit and Windsor started a pilot program that created essentially a joint task force for
local / provincial law enforcement. It put officers onto both sides of the border and allowed them to work joint investigations. The legal system on
both sides were involved to ensure each nations guarantees and protections for each others citizens were being upheld, which they were. From what I
have read the court system in both countries at that level were comfortable with the manner each side did their investigations, lending legal
precedent to the cooperation on both sides.
The next step was the joint task force based in Northern Michigan that dealt specifically with smuggling on the Us Canadian border on the great
Things progressed until the incident in Niagara Falls New York and Canada. Niagara police (US police) responded to a priority call (domestic violence
with a weapon). Long story short the suspect managed to get into his van and a pursuit started. Because of the felonies involved (and the officers not
thinking this through) no officer involved in the pursuit nor the dispatchers bothered to notify US Customs / Border Patrol and also failed to notify
their Canadian counterparts a pursuit was coming that way. For some reason 4 US officers contiunued the pursuit across the border into canada. Of the
4 cars, 1 stopped at the border, the other 3 continued the pursuit into Niagara Falls Canada.
During that portion the suspect in the van ended up hitting and killing a Canadian citizen, and the van wrecking out. A foot pursuit started with an
Ontario Provincial Officer, who was the n shot at by the suspect. He was eventually captured and booked into a Canadian jail for charges.
Canada was a bit torqued, and had every right to be. Diplomatic protest was filed for violation of Canada's sovereignty.
Fast forward to a couple years ago. The Us and Canada, in order to jointly combat terrorism, toyed with the idea of essentially merging the countries
customs and border agents and streamlining entry laws between the 2 countries (which has been occurring for some time now). The goal was to
essentially remove the US - Canadian border checks, instead relying on the points of entry into the 2 countries via airplane / ships etc.
While that was being worked on the US and Canada signed a security agreement that would allow the armed forces of either country to cross the border
if requested by State / Provincial authorities to assist in disaster scenario's. That agreement was signed I think 2 years ago.
The newest agreement on border security is to expand the ship-rider program idea onto land. The pursuit policies / laws in Canada and the US are
virtually identical. The latest "test" is to allow law enforcement from each side who are engaged in certain types of pursuits the ability to maintain
pursuit into either country and break off when appropriate jurisdiction units get involved.
So far, everything I have seen on these programs has been on the up and up. Both sides have expressed concern over the rights of their citizens, and
the laws I've seen governing all of this has that as their top priority and is specifically called out / noted in legislation on both sides.
If you dont mind me asking, why would people have a problem with this? I ask this because of my background. I dont see any issues or sovereignty
issues for that matter since its clear that if American police / coast guard enter Canada we are operating as Canadian law enforcement and are bound
by Canadian laws, and vice versa when Canadian officers enter the US.
Obviously since I do law enforcement there are aspects I might be missing, which is why im asking the question.
Thanks for reading and I look forward to your point of view.
edit on 30-11-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)