It can't be denied. I exist and so do you, and I mean that in the most literal, non-loaded way possible.
I'm not going to be discreet about it and keep you guessing through 10+ pages of unclear statements, as I'll get to the meat soon. I know there's a
lot of people that agree with me, but somethings need to be reminded.
I guarentee you that:
3) The world
How do I know? Because I live in it, and I experience it everyday, even when I'm asleep or in some other state of consciousness.
There could be a world beyond what we normally think as the world, but it's not very obvious that it's there, so how can you take into account a world
that you have real feeling about? When I say real feeling, I'm not talking about good feeling from your heart, or some psychic connection you think
you have to other worlds or beings. I'm talking about your senses, that every person on Earth is born with if they developed correctly: Sight, touch,
smell, taste, and hearing. These are the sensors that were given to you to map out your world and to derive meaning from it. And those basic
sensations amount to what becomes our perceptions as we experience the world through them.
That should be very important to you.
You and someone else could view the same picture, movie, read the Bible, smell a flower, and use a description of what you experienced that is totally
different from how the other person perceived it. Why is that? You both live in the same world, why didn't you describe the same thing using the same
words? You don't need the scietific method to prove that those objects were actually there, and it's silly to think that people could only surmise
that things really existed before the development of the scientific method. There's no debate whether the book was there. But the subjective reality
of that book was different for you and the other person. You don't share their senses, you each have your own.
Humans do have the ability to be empathic towards other notions that clash with their own, but ultimately, your subjective experience is the master of
your world. If you didn't follow your subjective experience, how could you be sure of anything? If you're not following your subjective experience,
you'd be experiencing someone else's. You'd be blindly following something you have no clear knowlegdge about and I guarentee you'd be living your
life in confusion. You would basically be living your life through someone else.
The subjective experience is greatly important to you and you should cherish it, not hold it back.
There are people out there that will basically disreguard that notion, and saying that "I don't exist and you don't, and this world and everything
important to you is just a cheap illusion, everything you love and do is for nought, because we are all going to die and be with God/Universe/Our true
selves. That notion, while subjective, I don't think is not a normal subjective experience and I'll explain. The notion of other worlds and spirits of
higher realms come from a sublime experience, and a sublime experience doesn't necessarily have to have a religious or spirtual slant to it. When do
they happen? They can happen through sleep deprivation, fasting, chanting, dancing, whirling, and some just happen sponteneously. The experience can
be reproduced through different hallucingenic drugs. But not everyone will experience them, but since people have emphathy, they can see through the
eyes of the person that experienced it, but that doesn't mean they will understand what that person experience it as they would. Someone, who after
listening to this guy could respond, "That guy is a fool, take him to the looney bin!". Can you imagine what that guy said that would have brought
that kind of response? There are crazy idea's, then there are CRAZY ideas, and in a sense, all ideas grabbed from a spiritual vision are because they
don't derive from something that is obviously subjective or objective. How can you, after a life of taking in smell, and sounds and light, have a
religious experience, then come to the conclusion that NONE OF THIS REALLY MATTERS, and that I DON'T REALLY EXIST. Your one strange subjective
experience just negated everything else that you have experienced so far, because "IT NO LONGER MATTERS" If you don't really exist, how could anything
in the REAL WORLD WHICH EXISTS CONCURRENT WITH THE LIFE YOU ARE CURRENTLY LIVING matter to you?
People that believe in the afterlife are making themselves feel better about what happens to their ego/soul/energy, after their life here ceases to
be, and I do have my own beliefs about what will happen. I believe that the soul or whatever you want to call it will continue after this life, and it
will continue so without karma attached, meaning a serial killer and a person of virtue will not have an afterlife that reflects their actions,
because as far as I'm concerned, this world is completely self contained, and if anything can move beyond it, it is your essense. Just because I don't
think our actions make a difference in our fate in the next life, it doesn't jusitfy me to comit murder and rape without reguard for anyone else,
because my morality is completely detched from my otherworldly beliefs. I admit, it isn't based on much, except the fact that I believe it allows the
greatest harmony between my personal beliefs and the real world.
I will never for the life of me cop out and say "I DON'T EXIST" That notion strikes me as being exetremly disingenuous, highly demotivating, and
nihilistic. In three words you have thrown away everything that means something to you. People may say it, but I don't think they realize the totality
of what they are saying. I think a lot of religions teach this, and it saddens me to think that people are being comforted with the notion that "none
of this matters". Would a sane person teach their kids growning up that even though they expected them to be a good person, to love their family and
to love other people so that they may receive love back, and to use that to grow and learn, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T REALLY EXIST AND NOTHING REALLY
When I was in 1st grade, I remember going to church well. The specific passages of the Bible didn' really have any meaning to me, but I do remember
what I felt was the overall message "Care not for this world, for it is temporary compared to the glory you will receive at the foot of God" and it
basically went on about how things here were temporary and meaningless, "Nothing matters as long as you love God". Once this message sank in, I began
feeling a dread for this world that made me feel exetremely morbid everytime I entered a church afterwards. But I was eventually able to banish the
feeling. For more background, the church was a Church of Nazerene.
Church of Nazarene
The denomination started as a church that ministered to the homeless and poor, and wanted to keep that attitude of ministering to "lower
classes" of society.
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