BUSTED: Guess what the kids in the classroom were reciting before Bush was informed of 9/11?, page 16

reply to post by aivlas

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The only thing that is busted by this thread is the integrity of the self-proclaimed "truthers". Proven to be manipulative deceivers by the very video they have tampered with and presented as evidence of their cause. What other lies have the "truthers" told?

reply to post by steppenwolf86

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My alternate world where a leader, you know, leads?

You're right; there's no way I can say with absolute confidence that the President could have saved lives by acting. Since it didn't happen that way, I can only speculate about what his actions could accomplish, and I don't have a lot of actual knowledge to base that speculation on, so I'm not going to try. I'm just saying that in my opinion, the first thing a leader needs to do in a crisis is gather information and get involved in the response, and the fact that the President did not do that bugs me. You clearly disagree, which makes me think you have much lower expectations of a leader.

Anyway, I shouldn't have taken the bait to go off topic; I've been involved in a good and interesting debate about this point over here if you want to join in.

On topic for this thread, I'd still like to hear more people's thoughts about the idea of ritual speech in the context of the words actually being spoken (not the debunked words in the original video - as I said earlier, I understand the logic in moving this to the HOAX forum, but I think there's still meat on these bones...).

I do agree with torsion that the video from the OP definitely damages the credibility of us truthers. I think this is especially frustrating when there's something of merit to discuss, but it gets lost because the person presenting the info is doing so disingenuously (not attacking you, CasiusIgnoranze - if I'm remembering correctly you were not the creator of the video, and you had done a great job updating your post as things were debunked early on). So I absolutely join you in condemning deliberate misinformation, and I'm frustrated that I get painted with that same brush because of this.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Seventh
Whilst we are talking of plane impacts, care to explain the seismic spikes preceding both impacts

That is just another truther lie, when will you stop telling lies?

911research.wtc7.net...

911research.wtc7.net...

So once again truthers post lies about 9/11, why do they continually do that?

Hold on, let me get this straight, I have lied about, either, the timing of both impacts or the timing of the seismic spikes preceding both impacts by 14 seconds and 17 seconds respectively?, so, which one is incorrect?,



The Commission’s times are based upon: "We have determined that the impact time was 9:03:11 based on our analysis of FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic."

It is known that the FAA followed the aircraft using four different radar tracking stations utilizing primary radar return with all times to the second. Radar is based upon microwaves that travel at the speed of light, and therefore an error variance (which is in microseconds) need not be stated.

The Commission Report has the impact times.

Their data set is based upon actual flight data that ended when the Towers were struck.

There is no question: AA Flight 11 died exactly at 8:46:40 and UA Flight 175 at 9:03:11 [UTC – 4 hrs].

Okay guess the FFA flight data analysis or the LDEO data have it wrong and you obviously are correct.......

Nope i`m sticking with both these respective data recordings are 100% correct, so maybe this time answer the question without sidetracking...


Since the planes crashed at those times, the question is: What caused the LDEO times 14 and 17 seconds prior? What caused those seismic spikes?.

Originally posted by Seventh
Hold on, let me get this straight, I have lied

yes you have

the question is: What caused the LDEO times 14 and 17 seconds prior? What caused those seismic spikes?.

There were no such spikes, just another truther lie
911review.com...

In this clip (in danish) our prime minister at the time Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (Bilderberg and Bohemian grove member) was informed that the first tower would collapse 5-10 minuts before it happened.

Originally posted by Mimir
In this clip (in danish) our prime minister at the time Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (Bilderberg and Bohemian grove member) was informed that the first tower would collapse 5-10 minuts before it happened.

YouTube Link

Not surprising. Plenty of peoples' observations were that the Towers were going to go :

www.representativepress.org...

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