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Forgive My Ignorance...

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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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I am pretty knowledgeable in business, however, the whole stock market thing has me baffled.
Just like today, the market is up over 400 pts. I assume this is due to people buying stocks. Conversely, when it is down I assume it is because people are selling. So now comes the part I don't understand.

If everyone is buying, who is selling?
If everyone is selling, then who is buying?

This makes no sense. If people are dumping stocks to mitigate their losses, then there has to be someone buying them. So wouldn't that kind of back stop the losses then? Or is this just a shell game and they are artificially raising and lowering the numbers as they see fit to further their monetary gain?

Someone please enlighten me on this.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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I forgive you.

2nd.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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The stock market's enabler is fear.

eeek.. on, oh my.....



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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I don't know this but I'm guessing the more people are selling them then the less demand there is, therefore lower prices. much like the housing market but on a rapid scale. If people are trying to buy the same shares then there will be less available. This will raise the price.

I'm sure I will be corrected but that's how I understand it.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

There are market makers on most stock exchanges responsible for maintaining the market liquidity. You might look up "market makers" or "stock specialists" for a detailed explanation, but basically what they do is accept a requirement to buy when someone is selling and sell when someone wants to buy. For that, they get specific advantages.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Unfortunately, there is no easy way to answer that question. If you purchase a stock, the market can move up or down depending upon the price you paid.
But, the stock market these days is so heavily manipulated and insulated from main street economies, that it is increasingly becoming a money making scam for insiders. If it is not there yet, it is awful close.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Of course the market is up today; all those banks that were just downgraded by S& P are having an up day. The news today regarding the move the Fed just made is not good, yet we see a jump, we see this reported as a positive? Positive for whom? The banks. In my opinion the numbers on the DOW are an illusion. The market is not for the citizens, I feel it is for those insiders that are currently ruining the future.

I don't even know if what I typed makes sense, I am just so outraged.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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The US is currently printing a lot of dollars for European banks to borrow. Printing money devalues the US Dollar, which weirdly causes the stock market to go up.

We bail out Europe and our dollar goes down. Therefore, it takes more dollars to buy something. A share of stock that went for $100 yesterday may now cost $120 for the same thing. The markets register gains, but it's just inflation.

Just wait until the European banks can't pay it back!

The lesson here is, never take news of the stock market "soaring" as proof of economic growth and prosperity. It's all a gigantic lie.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Well the simple answer is this - the more strongly you feel you've made a good investment, the less likely you are to sell it. The less likely you are to sell it, the more someone has to offer to change your mind. And visa versa. Its a game of perceived value.

Let's say you buy a house for 100K. They are breaking ground on a new golf course around the corner, and you expect your property value to skyrocket. Would you sell to someone offering 110K? 120K? 200K?

Same in reverse. The less appealing you perceive a holding to be worth, the less you are willing to take for it.

This is the bid and ask side of the market in very simplistic terms.

Its a whole nother ball game whether these economic concepts are what really drives the markets in this day and age. But its the textbook answer in any case - and the more we understand the textbook answers, the more we can pull back the curtain to see the real inner dynamics at play.


edit on 11/30/2011 by Open2Truth because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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buying & selling is only one set of Factors involved


another important factor is the volume of the trades (buy-sell) on any given day...
with that factor known, an analyst would be able to deduce just who are the buyers/sellers...


if the volume is light (say ~1 Billion) it likely is an Investors day in the DOW/NYSE/NASDAQ/AMX
if the volume exceeds say +5 billion ---then the HFT'ers, Hedge Fund & Mutual Fund managers & a whole slew of Speculters are likely trading big time

an analysis of these factors: volume and volatility... will give an analyst a clue as to which way the future market/stocks are headed and they can advise investors & traders what the likely winners-losers will be in the immediate future.


the question you ask is like an onion....many, many layers...& some can make one cry
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Operation Bend Over and Take It In A

I see now Fissionplus has beat me to a snarky post. i still like the name of my operation better

edit on 30-11-2011 by bakedbluedevil because: beaten to the punch



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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You sir, make sense..

Thank you.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by ILikeStars
reply to post by haarvik
 


The stock market's enabler is fear.

eeek.. on, oh my.....

. Very bold industries sublim statement to make
... Now if we can only HTML alchemize... '#4C7D7E to #D4A0147'

... Butt I'm sure 'they'(globalist Nephiliams
) are already doing it with lead
... & selling it to the $heeplings "allegedly"... most likely a MIB conspiracy



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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[color=413839]Yes. There are words here. Thank you for sharing. I'm sure there are many hidden secrets.... But then again.... Sometimes a secret is just a seek writ....




edit on 30-11-2011 by ILikeStars because:
Try highlighting or quoting the above text you can't see. I sorta used invisible ink on this post




posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Beneath the sophisticated trading platforms - complex algorithms - risk management software - technical indicators - pattern analysis - cycle analysis - fundamental indicators - exchange dynamics - macro-economic factors - market related news events - blathering CNBC bubble-heads and Jim Cramer....

lurks....

Simple Supply & Demand

More buyers than sellers - share price rises.

More sellers than buyers - share price declines.

GL



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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reply to post by ILikeStars
 


Ummm...I don't understand how that had anything to do with the thread...would you elaborate a bit...thanks!



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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I was responding to CosmicWaterGate's inquiry.




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