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reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:29 AM by DocVelocity

Would I empathize with Iran?

In a word... Heh heh heh

Pardon, but Iran has been provoking the entire world for DECADES.

No, it's not about poor, pitiful Iran absorbing all this hate from the West. It's about a bunch of fanatics in a fanatical society trying to gain power through purchasing nuclear components from Russia and China, and then threatening Israel with a nuclear bomb.

Let's just cut through the crap.

Iran and Iraq and Syria and Jordan and all the other enemies of Israel are going to face some... ahem... rather unfortunate consequences in the future. Certainly within this century.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:40 AM by sk0rpi0n

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Iran and Iraq and Syria and Jordan and all the other enemies of Israel are going to face some... ahem... rather unfortunate consequences in the future. Certainly within this century.

You said "enemies of Israel" would face some consequences. Why Israel?
Why is Israel so special in your eyes? You think they have the best army or something?

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:43 AM by mandroids

Rocky Black, is trying to keep the fighters apart. thats cool,too.

I never mentioned Israel...

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:49 AM by sk0rpi0n

I dont know if you were addressing my post, but I was addressing the person above me.

Why is Israel considered so special? I can fully understand if that person were a pro-zionist christian, because they are the ones who admire Israels military might, almost as if saying "who is like the beast, who can fight against it"......but I dont get why non-christians feel the same way?

People have this image of Israel being invincible. I really dont understand that part.

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reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:52 AM by UnlimitedSky

Originally posted by mandroids
Forgive my third thread of the day, but, to me, some sort of military action against Iran now seems sadly inevitable.

Call me odd [shut up] , but if Iran becomes another messy, watered down middle east mess as a result of the ‘west’ attacking, I would feel sorry for Iran.

Although Iran is clearly an expert at annoying the west, does it deserve to be ‘sprung’?

I would feel somehow sad for Iran.

Any opinions on this?

Yes, I would feel very sad if this was to happened.

Sorry? Hmmmm.... I really don't like that word. It always seem to have a bit of a condesending flavour whilst what I would feel is really compassion, empathy and a massive wish that I could get the US trigger happy military heads to STOP interfering where there interfering is NOT wanted! Why do they have to own everything? Why can't they just pull themselves towards themselves and live and let live!!!

I would feel pain for the innocent people that will be surrounded by phisical and emotional pain and suffering and I would feel rage on behalf of the children whos lives are still ahead of them. Some without parents if this happens.

Instead of really helping the world, the US ignores countries like Zimbabwe, dictators like Mugabe, who is running his own people into their graves through hunger and poverty and suffering. Of course, no oil in Zim, so lives do not matter. I have been to Zim when it was still Rhodesia, and boy this makes me sad. Yet the UN remain comfortably deaf and blind to what is going on there.

My stomach turns acid.

Enough already!

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 10:08 AM by jibeho

I would feel sorry for the good civilians of Iran who have been oppressed by the Mullah regime since 1979. The only change in Iran will have to come from within. They try and keep getting shut down by their govt.

Anyone remember this from 2009 they were protesting against a fraudulent and rigged election

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reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 10:14 AM by Connman

Nope not sorry for them at all. Mainly due to they are bringing it down on themselves by not meeting standards set to protect other countries.

That and the fact they have threatened us by sending a ship off our coast to hit targets in the Gulf. Ok that`s enough for me save them the trouble and settle this problem remove the threat.

Pretty simple stop threatening other countries, treat people fairly, and don`t harbor terrorist. That`s really not much to ask for or if you don`t, expect to be confronted by those with the power.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 10:14 AM by ken10

The Shah's regime continued its pro-American policies and in the autumn of 1964, it concluded an agreement with the United States that provided immunity from prosecution for all American personnel in Iran and their dependents

Says it all really.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 10:26 AM by mandroids

Originally posted by Connman
Nope not sorry for them at all. Mainly due to they are bringing it down on themselves by not meeting standards set to protect other countries.

Standards set by OTHERS...hmmm.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 12:38 AM by Redevilfan09

Originally posted by Connman

Nope not sorry for them at all. Mainly due to they are bringing it down on themselves by not meeting standards set to protect other countries.

So if they are bringing it on themselves by not meeting the standards set to protect countries, why aren't Israel being sanctioned for their secret nuke operation?
www.nytimes.com...

That and the fact they have threatened us by sending a ship off our coast to hit targets in the Gulf. Ok that`s enough for me save them the trouble and settle this problem remove the threat.

like the USA has not sent ships around the globe and off the coast of the middle east, anyway, do you actually think the Iranian navy fleet will do any damage if they were too send a ship off the coast of the USA? Nah..

Pretty simple stop threatening other countries, treat people fairly, and don`t harbor terrorist. That`s really not much to ask for or if you don`t, expect to be confronted by those with the power.

Which countries have the Iranians threatened considering they have not invaded any country for a very long time? You want to talk about terrorists, check out the spies who just got busted in the middle east.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 12:40 AM by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Ookie
I would be thrilled if we (US/Israel) lost handily. I would party and celebrate if they sunk our carriers and blasted Israel into dust. For once, we would be shown what for.

Should we win, I will definitely feel sorrow for them. And that much more hatred for our slave masters.

Now tell us what country you're really from and cut the crap.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 03:23 AM by ludwigvonmises003

Iran has done no wrong.USA should not invade Iran.We are increasingly becoming like commie warmongers like USSR and Nazi germany

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 05:38 AM by ken10

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Ookie
I would be thrilled if we (US/Israel) lost handily. I would party and celebrate if they sunk our carriers and blasted Israel into dust. For once, we would be shown what for.

Should we win, I will definitely feel sorrow for them. And that much more hatred for our slave masters.

Now tell us what country you're really from and cut the crap.

But its people like you with views like yours that promote the continuation of this Raping and Pillaging of other countries assets, You should hang your head in shame at what your government and military are doing.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 11:00 AM by Connman

reply to post by Redevilfan09

Pretty simply they threatened us with that ship plain and simple and although it was a laughable threat it was a threat. Then there is the threat over and over of them wanting to destroy Israel.
I look at it like if they want to talk the talk then be prepared to walk the walk. So as to feel sorry for them sure if they didn`t talk the talk by threatening in such ways.

If they had good intentions with their nuke program why deny it being monitored. Every country near them would be affected if they took short cuts in this matter. I`m all for if any country has a Nuclear Power Plant they should have to be monitored for safety.

Then there will be those that cry well sure the US has nuke weapons and yes we do but that even is more reason we can dictate on just who we want to match us. Iran not being one of them. Why let them become a threat?

Take that ship as example it is being used as a threat but it isn`t in real scenarios. Sunk is what it would be but now you stick a nuke on it it becomes a serious threat. Sure they have the right but we also have the right to say we won`t let you match our power.
I see it as if they did get nukes it would be used then I could be totally wrong of course but I`m not for taking such a chance.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 11:37 AM by Shminkee Pinkee

Western countries and Israel need to sit down with Iran and discuss things like adults instead of firing off missives at each other. I wouldn't feel sorry for the Iranian government and establishment, but I would feel sorry for the everyday people, who according to friends of mine who've visited Iran say they dislike and are sick of the Government as much as anyone in the west, that's why I don't believe the 'Students' who stormed our embassy did it of their own volition. It will be the ordinary folk who will suffer, war is not the answer, I know a lot of arm chair generals think war will be a'gas' and have their popcorn at the ready to watch shock and awe Part III on their massive tellies, but I feel negotiation is the answer, if Irans Nuclear program is as innocent as they say then they should have nothing to hide and should stop acting like petulant children, and be more helpful if Israel really want peace in the region then they should be more honest about their nuclear capabilities and disarm, and stop being so paranoid and curb their over zealous armed responses. we in the west need to back off with our threats, if you back someone into a corner they will eventually get fed up and lash out back

reply posted on 3-12-2011 @ 02:51 AM by ntech

reply to post by mandroids

The simple answer to the question is this. If Iran gets a functional atomic bomb they will try to use it. Such a bomb going off in Tel-Aviv would kill Israel.

Reverse problem. Israel supposedly has several hundred first strike nuclear weapons. If a nuclear weapon goes off in Israel they will simply nuke as much of the middle east as possible before they disappear.. Put simply the middle eastern gas station to the world will be destroyed. And most likely would be off-line for years. The great depression that would result from $50 a gallon gas would probably kill off a good sized portion of the world's population through the resultant starvation, riots, wars and etc. You think China is going to sit around when they realize a billion Chinese are going to starve to death and they can't stop it? I hear communist party officials taste good roasted over an open fire. If the starving masses can wait that long.

2nd problem would be is that many bombs going off may cause a nuclear autumn/winter on the planet. A good sized portion of the northern latitudes could become uninhabitable. May even start a new Ice Age. Everything north of Omaha would be dead in 2 years. Oklahoma City in 5 to 10.

All things considered a defeated Iran sounds like a win for humanity. As of right now Israel has the world by "you know". And will gladly rip them off and grind them under their jackboots if pushed.

reply posted on 9-12-2011 @ 10:57 AM by mandroids

Sort of goading them and poking at them is how I feel.

reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 10:02 AM by mandroids

Its looking a bit more likely...