Originally posted by metaldemon2000
You guys are a piece of work.

Why shouldn't this guy be allowed to teach?? So what he took one for the team to make some cash on the side. Hello its 2011 people. For starters teachers don't make a heck of a lot of cash. Second porn is a part of popular culture now. Most of us have viewed porn at some point or another.

What is it you are more appalled at?? The fact that this person has gay sex? Or the fact that he filmed it?

It's a conflict of interest.
To be an effective teacher, your students need to be able to respect you. It's hard to get high school kids to respect you after they see a pubically available film with you imitating a rubber sex doll.

How would you like to hear your sweet little daughter come home and say " Daddy, Im going to preform sex acts on film for money. It's okay, My teacher who is a role model, did it and he turned out fine".

Do you realize that sex acts for money = prostitution? Would you honestly you want your child educated by a prostitute?


Lastly, teaching is a JOB.. not a priviledge. Every teacher understands fully what type of professional image is expected of them long before they get a job.

Either way, why is it OK if someone makes private videos in their own home or has weird sexual fetishes but if someone makes a porn it is suddenly not OK??? See what I'm getting at.

This is about a job and a professional image ..Not your habits at home, in private. Nothing about this is private.
don't distort the context to forward your agenda.

I'm sure this guy didn't talk porn all day and show his students his moves. What you do on your own time is your own business. If you keep it outside of work and still do your job correctly what's the problem??

Wrong. Conflict of intrest is a HUGE factor in most businesses as well as professional image.

With a Teacher's position, a level of professionalism is expected.
He knew this.


I betcha he didn't list "Former Porn Actor" on his job application to the school board.. I wonder why?

Because he KNEW it would cause him to NOT get hired to influence and teach young children.

Drop the rhetoric and open your eyes.

The guy lied about working in the sex-for-sale industry to get a position teaching children.
If this doesn't set off red flags you are not a parent.

So what if he has been in porn films its not big deal.....

Oh jeez!!!
It's been quite a while since something moved me to comment, so stars and flags OP.

He is a teacher. Are teachers making much money now? No...they aren't. What is the one economy in America where one can easily get a job and always get paid? The underground economy. This just happens to include pornography and other sex work.

What a teacher does in his/her free time is their business as long as it does not involve or bleed over into their work and effect their students. I have known several teachers who had to resort in some form of weekend sex work (strippers, cam models) in order to pay the bills and keep their own children fed and in school. If you think this issue is one sided then I am afraid you are wrong.

At what point will this turn against the parent? You may have made a video at some point. You may be a member of some groups online or in real life related to your sexual interest. YOU may be a weekend warrior of the underground economy. A teacher finds you out and blacklists your children. Is that right? Is that anyone's business? You all watch porn, I am sure of it. Do your children know anything about that? NO. Are you teaching them about it? NO. What if all the other parents don't want your kids in their class because you go to swinger parties and someone found out?

Yes, I am going to say it, I would not give a CRAP if one of my children's teacher had made porn/is making porno. If the teacher is good with the kids, appropriate subject matters, and they learn...who cares? IF the teacher brings porn to watch on Mondays then I will freak out. Sure the opportunity is there for one of the kids he teaches to stumble across it and make fun of him. That is something you accept when you enter in to such a business and it is the teacher's cross to bare, no one else. The friends I had in sex work that taught went to extremes to keep their second job a secret. I am sure he is aware of this and taking necessary steps to prevent that from happening.

Tell me you have never watched a porno with your child asleep somewhere else in the house. Tell me you have never had sex with your child asleep somewhere else in the house. This man isn't filming porn in front of kids, he is doing it far away from them and it has NOTHING to do with them. Your children are more likely to be effected by the porn industry from stumbling in to your own bedroom at night. Give me a freaking break!

And before we jump on this roller-coaster about coaches and sex scandals, judging an entire body of people based on someone else's crimes is a slippery slope. Especially when that judgement happens without any indication that it has effected the kids in ANY way.

Judge not, judge only by the standards that YOU will be judged.

Originally posted by BadNinja68

It's a conflict of interest.

To be an effective teacher, your students need to be able to respect you. It's hard to get high school kids to respect you after they see a pubically available film with you imitating a rubber sex doll.

Strictly speaking, a conflict of interest is when you have a job (or some other responsibility), and you do something for you own self-interest that causes direct harm to your employer, and is directly related to your responsibilities. For example, if you work as a salesman at a Ford dealership...but you refer people over to a Chevy dealer (or work at the Chevy dealership part-time).

This situation we are discussing is not a conflict of interest...they are two totally separate lines of work, not in conflict with each other.

How would you like to hear your sweet little daughter come home and say " Daddy, Im going to preform sex acts on film for money. It's okay, My teacher who is a role model, did it and he turned out fine".

You see, this is where you get yourself onto the slippery slope. Who defines what out-of-the-classroom activities are morally wrong, or firing offences?

"Daddy, my teacher who is gay and is my role model is married to another man...so I think I might have a same-sex marriage when I grow up too."

"Daddy, my teacher smokes cigarettes and is my role model. So even though I know smoking kills millions of people, since he does it I want to try it too."

Do you realize that sex acts for money = prostitution? Would you honestly you want your child educated by a prostitute?

So long as this activity is lawful, why not? The teacher has been hired to teach English...what does this have to do with outside-of-teaching lawful lifestyles or part-time work?

Lastly, teaching is a JOB.. not a priviledge. Every teacher understands fully what type of professional image is expected of them long before they get a job.

Perhaps so. But just because a School Board (or any other employer) sets rules and guidelines for employees, does not necessarily make these rules enforceable under the law. If a rule or guideline infringes on a Constitutional Right, a State or Federal law...then that rule is to be thrown out - not the hapless employee.

With a Teacher's position, a level of professionalism is expected. He knew this.

Apparently he is quite professional at his job. They immediately made him the Chair of his department.

I betcha he didn't list "Former Porn Actor" on his job application to the school board.. I wonder why?

Because he KNEW it would cause him to NOT get hired to influence and teach young children.

You are probably right. He knew he would be discriminated against if he was truthful about his full work history. There are many situations where prospective employees are likely to withhold irrelevant information about themselves, if they know disclosing it would cause them to be unfairly ruled out for that employment opportunity.

Like, let's say...a petty criminal conviction, a bad credit history, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, age, a disability or illness, a pregnancy...a penchant for cross-dressing maybe...

You know, things that have nothing to do with whether or not you can teach English...

The fact that the teacher starred in porn does not affect his ability to teach. I dont see the issue and I it would not bother me if such teacher taught my kids.

Perhaps if we paid our teachers a decent salary, they wouldn't be moonlighting in porn films, strip clubs and as escorts. Money is often the motivating factor for people who enter those industries. I'd prefer to have him teaching english rather than any politician, banker, ex employee of Monsanto, the Federal Reserve etc.....you want to talk about whores without morals? Seriously. Would you let Dick Cheney babysit your small children? How about President George W. Bush?

Wow. Just wow.

One: Insofar as the moral issue there is hardly an issue here, is there? Had it not been for the public performance for which this person was paid, there would be no issue at all. It all begins with the teachers willingness to operate outside the teaching field in a sexually explicit entertainment venue. What was done in specific terms is not illegal. Therefore no moral issue can be brought unless you are willing to challenge that reality.

Two: The school is in a lose-lose situation here. This may be an admirably effective teacher... schools still regard that as a value of their staff so what is to be done? The nature of the sexual activity cannot be included in the assessment since it would be hypocritical to claim if it weren't "gay" it would be "OK." As long as the film was legal and depicted no reprehensible social activity the debate ends.

Three: If the ethical issue is brought up though, the teacher has a problem - and he must have known it. I believe professionals are defined by their ethics. That means it is expected to maintain some level of decorum and order in his environment. The question becomes - does this activity not threaten that standard? There may be true judgement required here, can a teacher who has been in a public display of sexual activity still function... or would the proviso require that the students be kept in ignorance of this fact?

The school must take into consideration their liability for inaction. Right now I think they are doing the best they can. Paid administrative leave, until an appropriate mutually acceptable outcome arises. I would bet that neither party wants to drag this out for long.

Edit to add:

I don't think that prostitution is a valid point because by this token every politician, and many of our most powerful leaders are prostitutes themselves... think about it.

The issue I can see with it is that curious teens are going to look at porn too. And no one should have to see their teacher naked (crushes aside).

and what if a sexualy confused teen sees a role model doing this and gets swayed one way or the other?

The thing is this is a private school, which really is just an overpriced version of the public school...And in both cases they are just business, so really it just comes down to majority consensus of there customers and the majority being the parents who pay the bills for there kids to go to this school....And as we know the customer is always right, or else they will take there business in this case being there kids somewhere else.

And it seems the majority do not want, and would not want a former adult film star to teach there kids, it really is that simple....Nor is there much more on it, the whole sex part is just an illusion that everybody chooses not to see even they all seen it before.

If anything I am pretty sure the kids/students are more then familiar with sex, and in fact if they are anything like the kids I went to school with which they are...Then more then one of them would have already done some sexual things of which I cant name because of T@C, and so I doubt they would be all that surprised by this teacher...But kids being kids, they will talk about it, just because its cool and a new thing to talk about. And really it could be anything that is new or introduced into that habitat and you will get them all taking and being kids.

But all in all morals are pretty much just window dressings, and it has nothing to do with morals or at least as far as the school board is concerned, even though everybody speaks in those terms....It really just comes down to more practical business practices, as those more practical things guide there morals. Everything else just kind of falls to the wayside, and is ignored....But really it is the same in every other thing out-there.

So really it is just business, and it has nothing to do with this dude staring in a porno, but the fact that it's something that the customers do not want to think about or deal with even though they have all seen it before. It would be bad for business...that phrase comes to mind.

In fact the real reason is pretty much what the reason is in such situations...And that is, it would be inconvenient to deal with this thing and the majority and so it will be swept under the rug...What you got to remember is hypocrisy is the rule not the exception. In fact it would not surprise me that this is the least of the inconvenient and kinky things going on at this school, somehow I doubt it is. But its not about that now is it.

This is about what is in the lime light and line of sight, so did we ever find out who has watched this teachers porno's and brought them to public attention? I mean how did they find out? And therefore made things inconvenient for him and all others.