Intolerance by those preaching tolerance (the tram ride)

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

Well, the Original Poster said that she was from NewAddington, so that was true.

To be honest that information is readily available. I could tell you the tram stop called King Henrys Drive is opposite Lidl's use to be the Addington Hotel. I could tell you Addington High school use to be called Fairchildes.

It does not make what I any more credible. So yes I am asking you to consider what I have reported whether you believe it, doubt it or think it is true all I can ask is to consider it when taking part in other threads on this subject.

reply to post by arpgme


the address has not just been released. this is not new material.

reply to post by JohnySeagull


You are not the holder of any truth JohnySeagull.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.

Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

If the mods wish to contact me and assure me the information I give them will remain confidential I will be happy to comply.

I will certainly applaud this offer of providing evidence to the mods.

Like I said ealier if you want to provide proof to us we can help distribute it. You have refused this offer but if you are willing to prove to the mods you are telling the truth then fair play!

Originally posted by Manouche
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

You are not the holder of any truth JohnySeagull.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.

you have stated you are not interested in the truth. i kinda like it.

If she was unstable, and had to be put in Suicide watch, only in mental institute for week, why was she let go so early and by herself, let alone with a 7ish looking kid, no escorts? no support?

Originally posted by JohnySeagull

Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

If the mods wish to contact me and assure me the information I give them will remain confidential I will be happy to comply.

I will certainly applaud this offer of providing evidence to the mods.

Like I said ealier if you want to provide proof to us we can help distribute it. You have refused this offer but if you are willing to prove to the mods you are telling the truth then fair play!

edit on 30-11-2011 by JohnySeagull because: (no reason given)

Well thanks at least for that.

I again repeat there is no proof that I can give on whether she has racist beliefs or not. I can only say how she acted when we have been out together or when visiting their home or them visiting us. My opinion is she is not racist, The person I saw on the video was not the Emma I know.

I have given you the background story and it is your choice to accept it, reject it or at least consider it before offering more hatred on this unwell woman.

reply to post by JohnySeagull


I have no way to know if colin42 is saying the truth or not. You don't either.

You try to imply he is lying as if it was a rational way of thinking.
I will simply say that I don't know if he is saying the truth.

Besides that, this thread invites to a reflection to how the video was received by the "audience" which is much more interesting in the grand scheme of things

Originally posted by luciddream
If she was unstable, and had to be put in Suicide watch, only in mental institute for week, why was she let go so early and by herself, let alone with a 7ish looking kid, no escorts? no support?

First this incident did not happen last weekend. It happened 3 weeks ago. The video was given to the transport police last week.

She was obviously released to soon but this is care in the community at work. The journey she was taking was a visit to the psychiatrist which I assume was part of the conditions of her release.

The boy just started school so I think 5 ish and yes in hindsight it was a mistake for her to go alone and a bigger one to pick the child up after but we are all wise after the fact and for all intense and purposes she was making good progress.

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i know that if i could help someone and prove they are not guilty of what they are accused of i would be doing anything i could to be heard. I would be providing any evidence i have to help prove back up what i am saying.

the op stated that the woman is suffering from a medical condition that caused her outburst. it would be very easy to provide evidence of this.

the OP states the newspapers were offered this but will not publish it. i don't understand why we are not offered it but he has now offered to speak to the mods in confidence.

maybe we can get some sort of confirmation that the OP is being truthful from the mods.

if not I think we truly have to wait until the court case.

i have stated previously on this site that i thought this woman may be ill and in need of help. that still does not mean i will believe anyone who comes on here making very serious claims without any proof.

i guess it is possible the newspapers ignored what was being said to them because there was no proof offered?

Isn't it ironic we have to tolerate everything except intolerance? Not that I ever feel the need to be intolerant, except when my freedom of speech is suppressed because my views are "intolerant".

Colin42, The words that came out of Emma's mouth were disgusting regardless of mental illness or any other excuse/ reason. She must harbour these thoughts deep down and the mental illness has brought it out of her. If there really is a serious mental illness there, then should she be allowed out on public transport with her young son unsupervised? If she has a partner, why wasn't he with her when she went to visit the doctor?

Anders Behring Breivik also supposedly has a mental illness. Does this make his atrocities any more acceptable?

inexcusable and everything that has resulted from this video, she deserves.

reply to post by JohnySeagull

At the hearing in Croydon her solicitor provided the information regarding the treatment she was recieving. The fact that she had just attended a session with the doctor. Her medical history.

The courts did not detain her because she was guilty of a henous crime they detained her for her own protection due to the hatred stirred up by this video and the death threats she has recieved since. Also produced in court.

Remember this was three almost four weeks ago not last weekend as is commonly reported. She has and is under the doctor and working through her issues. I am a friend not her confessor, I am not privy to those issues

The papers have not reported on this part of the story instead try to point out how she is dressed as if that had anything to do with the issue.

As you said. I am a friend trying to inform people what the underlying story is as the press do not care. This has been made clear to the door step reporters. To the press at the courtroom. Why the press ignore it, why the radio talk shows have ignored it, why the TV news has ignored it your opinion is as valid as mine.

Mine is they dont want to wreck a perfectly good story with the truth.

we all should go to court to defend her right to free speech, its completely insane to charge someone for shouting.
This case just shows the real divisions caused my rampant immigration. In a time of austerity and unemployment its asking for trouble to have record numbers of economic migrants arriving in the poorest areas.
I have no problem accepting she was not mentally sound.
Colin give her my love.

reply to post by fiftyfifty

I have made it clear the words and intent she used on the tram were unacceptable and distressing for those around her. I am not trying to excuse it.

They both have coloured workmates and friends that will have to understand Emma's actions. The ones I have spoken to were shocked, felt let down and the old saying 'no smoke without fire' is an old saying for a reason.

The differance is those that know the situation are not calling her names, demanding her children are put in care or demanding her and her partners death or a beating.

As someone here has already said you cannot understand mental illness unless you have experienced it. I have not, hopefully you have not. We can however temper our reactions when we are made aware of it.

None of us can understand how it feels when suffering with mental illness the world or at least 3 million poeple in it are baying for your blood and telling you how worthless you are.

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Ever met anybody with touretts?

video.au.msn.com...

reply to post by allintoaccount

With respect. Free speech is always tempered with responsibility. The point is this is not present when suffering an mental episode.

I also dont want this to become another black/white hatred rant.

By all means talk about issues of the intolerance shown by those objecting to it highlighted by this topic. She was not 'sent mad by imigration'.

Originally posted by The Great Day
reply to post by fiftyfifty

 

Ever met anybody with touretts?

video.au.msn.com...

Yes I have.. she doesn't have tourettes. This was a woman sat in a public place ranting for a number of minutes and she seemed to be clearly in control of what she was saying. I don't know the full cicumstances regarding her mental health but all I am saying is that if she is that mentally ill, then she is a danger to herself and her child. Had she been in other parts of London, she might not have been so lucky.

She was voicing an opinion, belittling those from another ethnic background and practically preaching white supremacy. For that... there is no excuse.

reply to post by fiftyfifty

No, She does not have tourettes. The rest of your rant shows the intolerance I am seeing. She was not spouting white supremacy that is an agenda you are putting on her.

So fair enough, many people were angry and pissed off at what they saw as a drunk, vile racist spouting off at a load of "non-white" people on a tram...

So it's now being claimed that this woman has mental issues and that is the cause of her outburst/tirade.
I mean it's clear she was on something.... drug wise, be they drugs prescription drugs or be it alcohol or be it Class-A's.

The OP has said that she was on suicide watch whilst in a "mental home" and again, fair enough... if that's the case though, what was a suicidal mental patient doing out with a young child on her own?


She has issues.... I don't see anybody saying that she doesn't have, but drug/alcohol issues or even mental problems don't make you racist, they don't make you believe those things, they just make you say them... they make you a little more uninhibited and they make your own thoughts and feelings more readily available.


The woman is a racist, that much is clear... she just happens to be a racist with some mental/drug/alcohol problems.

And as I said in the other thread, I'm glad she's getting the help she needs and I truly wish her luck and all the best in beating her issues.



I think this video is sad and shocking and depressing in so many ways...

The woman clearly is having a tough time

The kid clearly isn't too bothered by what he's hearing and should never be in that situation anyway.

The people that her vile tirade was aimed at did not deserve to be subjected to that.

The comments and arguments on some of the youtube videos by some awful racists.... truly shocking.

Oh well.


I hope this woman and her family get through this and I hope that she is left alone to try and get the peace and love and support she needs to get better.