2 Million + Sheeple On Strike Today In The UK - What Will It Change?

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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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What makes public sector workers so special? The average person working in the private sector will be working up to 67 and beyond too.

We people in the private sector have had our pensions messed with and we have to pay more. Why should you be any different?

I've worked in the public sector and the way they run day to day business is bordering on incompetence. You have people in high positions that are only there due to either the length of service or they got there by who they know.
It takes two public sector workers to do the same job as a private sector worker. In recruitment, it is well known that people aren't interested in taking on ex public sector workers. (I'm referring to admin based jobs)

My mate works in the public sector as a Manager. He manages two people in am open plan office!!!! Even he knows it's wrong.

A Council bin-man in London gets a better wage than a qualified pharmacist based up North..

I won't even go into redundancy pay offs in the public sector.

The money that's wasted is beyond stupidity.
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Manners and decorum, i didn't swear, i was insulting to the useless whingeing public sector, welcome to the real world... you know where the rest of us have been for the last 3 years.

Blame the Banks, who bailed out the banks...Gormless, why, because they all have head offices in Labour heartlands. Northern Rock =north east, Hbos= Scotland, RBS = Scotland, so if you want to balme anyone blame the last innefficient lot, House price average when they came to power 3 times the average salary, now 8 times, did stamp duty go up in line, of course not. More manufacturing jobs lost under Labour than even Maggie managed to do.

They didn't whine and whinge when Gormless raided my pension to pay for the increase in useless work shy public sector did they.. no. so dont expect any sympathy from me,



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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[morePublilic workers have been traditionally worse off than private workers, we had poorer pay but far better conditions and holidays to make up the short fall in wages,
Just because the recession has gone pair shaped in the private sector doesn't mean it has in the public sector, We have alot more to bargain with thus more power and this is why the Conservative government is out to bust us,



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by FFS4000
welcome to the real world... you know where the rest of us have been for the last 3 years.
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Yes but they are special and deserve to be treated better than the rest of us.

Maybe we should withhold paying our taxes for every day they go on strike.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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No, you are talking about those at the very top of the private sector, a tiny percentage of the population. The majority of those in the private sector earn less these days than the majority of those in the public sector. This is fact, backed up by the figures from, amongst others, the National Office of Statistics (i know statistics can be easily manipulated).

Most of the people on the media today are teachers. Teachers do not have it bad - i know, i was a teacher for 5 years. My reasons for leaving where nothing financial i can assure you of that!



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by JonoEnglish
[morePublilic workers have been traditionally worse off than private workers, we had poorer pay but far better conditions and holidays to make up the short fall in wages,
Just because the recession has gone pair shaped in the private sector doesn't mean it has in the public sector, We have alot more to bargain with thus more power and this is why the Conservative government is out to bust us,



It used to be that way.

Are you trying to tell me it's right that a man who collects rubbish in London for the Council, gets paid more than a qualified Pharmacist living up North?

In times of recession it's the private sector that gets us out of the mess. It's the public sector that needs to take the hit.
Unfair, sure, life is unfair.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by Flavian
 


I think you could go higher than 50%. Especially on entertainment type professions.I think we could increase the efficiency,productivity and cost effectiveness of the public sector with better pay and more recognition.And decent pension schemes. We could hold them to higher standards then.I agree about corporations and offshore accounts. That should be our focus,our governments can change this,we can make them. We shouldnt fight amongst ourselves. I am not saying unions are perfect,they should stand for the rights of all workers.and stand with the private sector and the private sector should stand with the public sector.We all live on the same streets and in the same neighbourhoods. And we didnt create the problem,the banks did.Why are we paying. We need to let them fail because it wont mean the end of the world. It will create great opportunity.
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I do not disagree with you but the problem in this country is that people want lots of social services and do not realise / care that they have to be paid for. We are currently taking in less than we are spending - if we wish to spend more we need to take more. It is simple maths really and unfortunately this appears to be missed by the majority.

If we want things we have to pay.

If we do not want to pay, we cannot complain about the reduction of services.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom

IMO I am not very different from ordinary people. The only difference is that I am informed and I have an algorithm to solve the problems.

It think it is our duty to inform each other about our algorithm and provide each other with information.


What do you mean you have an 'algorithm'?
I think you are misunderstanding the meaning
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by FFS4000
welcome to the real world... you know where the rest of us have been for the last 3 years.
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Yes but they are special and deserve to be treated better than the rest of us.

Maybe we should withhold paying our taxes for every day they go on strike.


Now that is a good idea. See how they like it when they don't get paid because we aren't working to pay for their wages! In my mind that is no different to the extra costs being foisted on us by those striking today through extra child care costs, etc.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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They are diding here in America two!

Them is all terists and agrivators!

Yer lucky to have a job, yer lucky they don't pull the plug on
you right now.

So grovel you, you dang commoners!

sarcasm/ off



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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This is the division the government are wanting, they want to pit private sector against public sector, even though we live on the same streets and share the same civil life and are all equally screwed.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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"Are you trying to tell me it's right that a man who collects rubbish in London for the Council, gets paid more than a qualified Pharmacist living up North? "

Taking it to extremes there Fella, As you know the cost of food and rent is far greater "down south" than up north, In deed try living in N,Ireland its even more expensive than the mainland, And as in a socialist point of view why shouldn't a "Refuse collector" get the same as a pharmacist both essential services IMO.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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I have absolutely no qualms with the public sector per say, only when they are in the pockets of the militant unions. 75 % do not even bother to return ballots but hey lets call the strikes anyway - incidentally by bosses who work a few days a week for six figure salaries! It is total hypocrisy and if i would laugh if it didn't stick so much in the throat.

Those that earn less than the average salary should be protected, whether public or private sector. Those that earn more should have to face conditions as the rest of us. Let us be clear about this, the pensions on offer (and being rejected) are far better than those available to those not in the public sector. They are complaining about working to 67! I just cannot believe this tbh, what makes them think they are so special that they should retire earlier?



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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All people should be entitled to a decent pension whether public or private, if that means those at the very top having to have a little less than usual then so be it. It's not like the system isn't stacked in favor of the rich already, it's about time we really were all in this together.



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Why be so demeaning as to call 2 million people sheeple.. I we are I are ignorant too in many ways too. What makes you any different. What are you doing with your life to escape the sheeple society..



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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I agree but this means we all have to work longer to get a pension. It doesn't mean the private sector have to work longer but the public sector work less!



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Think public liability insurance on this sham at keeping you in work till 67, The cost of extra labour to assist the "old and bold" would push insurance premiums out the window, I am already on restricted duties due to major surgery and my fellow work colleagues have to pick up my slack, causing some resentment.
Whats it going to be like when the majority of the workforce are on "light duties".



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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The cost of food, fuel etc in London isn't THAT different to here up North. Sure housing is the issue
However, some-one collecting rubbish out of bins needs to be on the minimum wage. Common sense should tell you that.

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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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I am not surprised it causes resentment to be honest - and that is not having a go at you. Perhaps things could be restructured. For example, when you reach a certain age you can be moved to pen pusher duties. This could actually work a treat as it would mean managers in their 20's and 30's (many of them in the public sector) who really have no idea about the sector they are in would no longer be managers - they would be replaced by people like yourself who have had a life time of experience in the field. The younger ones would actually have to work up a sweat for once!



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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But since when do bin men spend several years at university to attain a degree..answer they dont, please think about what you are saying.

As i said in my deleted post, wait until i take my child away on a cultural trip (holiday) and let them try and fine me, for not having him available for school, i'm inclined to bill the council as it is for today.





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