FOX News is Great!!!

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OK well compare that to the anti-semitism anti-capitalism of the OWS movement. I rest my case.

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So you like my avatar huh?

It just goes to show what all the people who complain about capitalism are asking for. And who they are getting in bed with.

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Well heres some NAZI propaganda for you. It is not any different then the liberal propaganda of today.

www.bytwerk.com...

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by L00kingGlass

 

OK well compare that to the anti-semitism anti-capitalism of the OWS movement. I rest my case.

Anti-semitism? Who? =0

There were/are anti-capitalists in the #ows crowd, that much is true. The rest of what you're saying is uninformed.

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Anti-semitism is plentiful in the OWS movement and right here on ATS as well.

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The problem isnt Capitalism. The problem is the United States no longer uses true Capitalism. Laws are created to protect the super rich billionaires (Obama care is an example). The corruption, greed and sell outs are the problem. Occupy needs to be protesting the banks that were bailed out by the very same people they turned around and threw out of their homes. Occupy needs to be talking about the Federal Reserve and its inability to understand that it isnt supposed to exist. Occupy has no leadership. Occupy is, for lack of a better term, retarded.

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News in general is pathetic. Pointless stimulation. Heres a great example; a while back, the local news thought a woman and her cat was a much more intresting story than the revolution going on in Libya.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by empireoflizards

 

Yes because ANOK was trying to derail the discussion into a debate about socialism as he has done many times before, and though I would enjoy to debate him on the subject he is such an avid socialist that there would be no point arguing with him. He is set in his views and I am set in mine.

I was trying to do no such thing. You started it by calling people socialists as a derogatory term. Someone disagreeing with you is not derailing a thread. This is a discussion forum, not your personal blog.

All I did was show you some real history, not the BS fed to you by the MSM. As someone who has studied working class history, am I supposed to just keep my mouth shut when posters type nonsense? This is a topic I am very familiar with, and is one of my main interests. You can argue with me all you want, I will simply counter with the truth. Are you scared of the truth?

It seem it's you who is set in his views, unwilling to learn, otherwise you wouldn't keep arguing against evidence that proves you wrong. Do you need more? I have enough evidence to keep you busy for years mate.

Study the history of the working class, starting with the industrial revolution, and you will see that the terms we use have been twisted, and manipulated, to further agendas of the right wing capitalist establishment. Yet the system still works the same way it did then. Socialism is still the workers ownership and control of the means of production. Capitalism is still the private ownership of the means of production. Not the nonsense we are told.

You should learn to appreciate the free history lesson.

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agreed.

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Here's your Glenn Beck, pandering to Israeli Jews after he got canned for being a nutter.

Glenn Beck wants to die for the Jews

As for the rest of your completely ignorant self-absorbed rant, all I'll say is that your fervent desperate opinions are a red flag for someone whose empty brain is crying out for someone to educate them.

Go read a history book (or better yet visit a library). You sound like you've spent far too much time being brainwashed in front of your television. Sheep.

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
No, Hitler was not a Socialist. With all due respect, you need to do some research on the "political compass". Hitler was a far right extremist authoritarian who created a "blood religion" called Nazism.

The Major has read some real gems of ignorance here on ATS, but the above recruit's might just take the Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte. Hitler not a socialist?

(1) To win the masses for a national resurrection, no socialsacrifice is too great.

Whatever economic concessions are made to our working classtoday, they stand in no proportion to the gain for the entire nation ifthey help to give the broad masses back to their nation. Only pigheadedshort-sightedness, such as is often unfortunately found in our employercircles, can fail to recognize that in the long run there can be no economicupswing for them and hence no economic profit, unless the inner nationalsolidarity of our people is restored.

If during the War the German unions had ruthlessly guarded theinterests of the working class, if even during the War they had struck athousand times over and forced approval of the demands of the workers theyrepresented on the dividend-hungry employers of those days; but if in mattersof national defense they had avowed their Germanism with the same fanaticism;and if with equal ruthlessness they had given to the fatherland that whichis the fatherland's, the War would not have been lost. And how trifiingall economic concessions, even the greatest, would have been, compared tothe immense importance of winning the War!

Thus a movement which plans to give the German worker back tothe German people must clearly realize that in this question economic sacrificesare of no importance whatever as long as the preservation and independenceof the national economy are not threatened by them.

(2) The national education of the broad masses can only takeplace indirectly through a social uplift, since thus exclusively can thosegeneral economic premises be created which permit the individual to partakeof the cultural goods of the nation.

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler Volume One: A Reckoning Chapter XII: The First Period of Development of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

Obviously the recruit's comments were made out of a personal desire to tie Hitler, the NAZI party and all things Brown Shirted to the the Right, when in reality, the opposite is true. Hitler was only slightly to the Right of Josef Stalin on economic and social issues, and lock step with him as far as the exercise of political power and philosophy went. Hitlet and Stalin were both Leftist dictators. They were two peas in a pod, as their Non-Aggression Pact of 1939 clearly demonstrated. They were cut of the same cloth, hewn from the same tree and forged in the same cauldron in Hell. The next thing you're going to tell the Major is that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Republican.

Since the new recruits seem to eschew reading and prefer their lessons in pablum form:





There is a reason the word socialst appears in the NAZI acronym, it's because the founding philosophy of Nazism is socialist.

Dismissed.

Originally posted by mobiusmale
In reality, however, it consistently gets ratings that are better than CNN and MSNBC combined. They must be doing something right - and they certainly appeal to a very broad audience.

Well you just posed a question and delivered an answer to same, in one sentence -- race to the lowest common denominator.

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Interesting link - thanks for that. Okay, I do see some of what you're talking about on some of these posters, though I think in addition to ignoring the larger historical/political context, you're overlooking the fact that these are deliberately created to be public propaganda...

This poster advertises the Nazi charity, the NSV. The text translates: “Health, child protection, fighting poverty, aiding travellers, community, helping mothers: These are the tasks of the National Socialist People’s Charity. Become a member!” Courtesy of Dr. Robert D. Brooks.

I agree, those sound like socialist goals. In my opinion, this is propaganda that does not accurately reflect the goals of the Nazi party, but rather what they want the public perception of their goals to be.

And did you miss this one?

This poster is for the 5 March 1933 Reichstag election. The top text: “Bill for the Social Democratic Party (SPD), presented by the starving German people.” It lists the alleged sins of the Socialists, and concludes: “German people! That is fourteen years of serfdom. Never forget it! Now you must demand payment. You will receive that payment if you vote for Adolf Hitler.”

Yeah, totally socialist.

Originally posted by e11888
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The problem isnt Capitalism. The problem is the United States no longer uses true Capitalism. Laws are created to protect the super rich billionaires (Obama care is an example). The corruption, greed and sell outs are the problem. Occupy needs to be protesting the banks that were bailed out by the very same people they turned around and threw out of their homes. Occupy needs to be talking about the Federal Reserve and its inability to understand that it isnt supposed to exist. Occupy has no leadership. Occupy is, for lack of a better term, retarded.

Capitalism is the 'private ownership of the means of production', so yes it is still very much capitalist. A term BTW originally created by socialists as a derogatory term. So don't try to tell a socialist what capitalism is.

Capitalism is the root of the problem. It is the 'private ownership of the means of production', that has led to all of the economic problems we have. It always has been, that is why socialism was thought of in the first place, as an alternative to the problems the working class suffered, created by 'private ownership'.

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (pronounced [ˈpruːd ɒn] in BrE, [pʁu dɔ̃] in French) (15 January, 1809 – 19 January, 1865) was a French economist and socialist philosopher who was the first individual to call himself an "anarchist" and is considered among the first anarchist thinkers. Proudhon is most famous for his assertion of "Property is theft!", in his missive What is Property? Or, an Inquiry into the Principle of Right of Government with the original title: Qu'est-ce que la propriété? Recherche sur le principe du droit et du gouvernement, which was his first major work, published in 1840...

...In his earliest works, Proudhon analyzed the nature and problems of the capitalist economy. While deeply critical of capitalism, he also objected to contemporary socialists who idolized association. In series of commentaries, from What is Property? (1840) through the posthumously-published Théorie de la propriété (Theory of Property, 1863-64), he declared that "property is theft", "property is impossible", "property is despotism" and "property is freedom". The apparent contradiction is resolved when it is realized that, in "property is theft", he was using the word to mean the type of property which created exploitative conditions. Specifically, he was referring to the means of production which labourers did not own themselves, and the system of wage labour...

...On the other hand, in asserting that property is essential for liberty, he was referring not only to the product of an individual's labor, but to the peasant or artisans home and tools of his trade. For Proudhon, the only legitimate source of property is labor. What one produces is his property and anything beyond that is not. He can be considered a libertarian socialist, since he advocated worker self-management and argued against capitalist ownership of the means of production.

eng.anarchopedia.org...

He was a libertarian socialist, an anarchist. Stateless socialism.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" Mikhail Bakunin.

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However he embraced the basic concepts of Marxism and used class warfare directed at the Jews and the banks. It's not as black and white as you pretend. To control a population you first make everyone even and form a two class system. Whether Marxist, Communist or Socialist it works the same with a priveledged class and a poor working class and nothing between them. The Unions (or Party) are the lapdogs who get a few extra bones.

To ignore history is so naive as to prove that our education system is and has been taken over by a small group of elitists who have dumbed down the last two generations. The level of illiteracy among the OWS, give me, give me, give me crowd is not a thing to take pride in. It is however proof of the failure of our schools and how easy it will be for the Intellectual Elite to take over.

People will not like what it is they think they want if they get it. You think things are tough now! Europe is officially collapsing under the weight of socialism and their citizens are so illiterate they don't even know it's the handouts and lavish lifestyle used by the State to control them, that is destroying them. They are so dumb they don't know that money comes from productivity and think they can just lay around and suck at the teat of government and not pay a dear price.

On topic-
This thread is the opposite of what needs to happen. Hate whether from the OWS on the far, far Left or coming from the extreme Right is still hate and not helpful.

When people participate in this, it means they are owned by their partisanship and that the divide to control agenda is working.

If you folks think those in office on the Left and Right are not best buddies behind closed doors, I have this bridge for sale.

I could say wake the hell up, but you won't. You want your candy and you want it now. You won't stop until we are all begging for bread crumbs and people are so stupid they don't even know they are the cause. Prostitutes willing to sell their votes even if it destroys us.

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Honey

You DID know, didn't you, that SHEMITES are 'sons of Shem' (allegedly !) that is ALL Arabs and about 600,000 'Safardi' Jews who were mixed up (haplotype-genetically-speaking) with the North African Berbers in the 10th century AD still surviving to-day - but DOES NOT refer to the Turko-Ukranian Ashkenazim who, as born 'Gentiles' (Heb. 'goyim', non-Jews aka 'the Nations' etc. ) became 'proselyte converts' to a weird form of Khazarian Rabinnic non sacrificial Judaeism in the area around present-day Kiev in the Ukraine esp. between the years 690 - 990 CE (i.e. roughly only about 1000 years ago)? First the Court converted to Judaeism, then over time, well...so did the people (naturally !!)

FYI The Ashkenazim (i.e. the vast majority of persons who style themselves as 'Jews' to-day, esp. in America !) are NON SEMITIC genetically - i.e. proselyte gentile-Jews who converted to Rabinnic [i.e. non sacrificial]Judaism - and are ('genetically') Turko-Uzbek-Caucasian-slavs, and NOT in any way closely related by blood haplotypes to the 'benei Yisro'el' (i.e. the now virtually extinct ancient 'Israelites' - as a result of repeated Gentile (non Jewish) foreign nation-invasions, along with the concomitant genetic miscegenation (mixed inter-breeding) and racial exterminations by more powerful gentile invader nation-groups such as the Assyrians (Gentiles/ Goyim) and the Babylonians (Gentiles / Goyim ) and the Persians (non-Semitic Gentiles / Goyim) and the Greeks (non Semitic Gentiles / Goyim) and lastly, the Romans (non-Semitic Gentiles / Goyim ) - the last of which wiped out nearly 900,000 Palestinian Judaeans, Samaritans and Galileans etc. during the no less than TWO Failed Jewish Wars against Rome (c. 66-72 CE and 134-138 CE).

The survivors of those wars were forced sold into Slavery 'among the gentiles' (i.e. in the Roman Empire) where they intermarried with gentile (non semitic) blood lines, and thus the 'benei Yisroel' has largely become extinct as a genetic entity.

If this is all news to you, check out the work of Ashkenazi scholar Dr Solomon Schechter of Cambridge University who in 1897 rifled through sevral thousand original Khazarian-Ukrainian jewish-conversion documents at the Attic Depository ('Genizah') of the Synagogue 'ben Ezra' in Cairo waaay back in 1897 - the same year that 'The Jews' State' (Der Judenstadt) was published by Theodore Herzl. (those persons who insist on translating the title 'Der Juden Stadt' as 'the Jewish State' should take a German course then learn the difference between 'Der Judenische' Stadt and 'Der Judenstadt' !!)

Dr Schechter's unexpected discoveries about the actual facts of the proselyte conversion of nearly 1 million Khazrian Turko-Ukrainian gentiles to midaeval Ashkenazi-Rabinnic non sacrificial Judaeism between 690 CE and 990 CE was SO explosive that he demanded that NONE of his findings or any of the original materials on this subject be published for 75 years AFTER his death...not surprising in those dark years of pograms and 'jew baiting' in Russia, at a time when Zionism was beginning to take 'root' worldwide (e.g. the formation of the 1st Zionist Congress etc.)

Most of this primary evidence is finally NOW leaking out - there is an excellent book (that the Rebbes and other right wing radical zionists are trying hard to supress - despite all the latest genetic research coming out to support it !!) by another Turko-Ukraininian Ashkenaz scholar Arthur Koestler entitled 'The Thirteenth Tribe' which covers most of the basic facts (although if he had at his disposal all of the latest findings on the subject his book would have been three times longer !) - but despite its cursory generalities, is still a very good introduction to those persons on this planet who remain the dark on these little matters.

At any rate, the term 'anti-Semite' technically (i.e. literally) refers to a peerson hating 'Arabs' a racial group who ARE GENTICALLY truly Shemitic and CANNOT REFER to the Ashkenazim (non-Shemitic Jews) who currently make up more than 92% of all persons to-day who style themselves 'Jews' in the world.

Is this all news to you, that is, as much as it seems to be new to the deluded racist-editorial staff of 'FAUX' News?

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Heres just a few examples why I don't agree with you and will not get on board with the socialist agenda,
socialistparty-usa.org...

Women
The Socialist Party is a socialist feminist organization that recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism.

We demand full support for every woman's right to choose when, if, and how to have children, including the right to free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy, without interference or coercion. Clinics providing abortion services must have the full protection of the law.
We call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment and all other legislation that limits access to abortion services, thus denying "the right to choose" to millions of women, particularly low-income women, women of color, and young women. We demand full reproductive freedom for all women by removing all discriminating barriers to reproductive rights and reproductive health care.

Tax Payer funded Abortions
Educating the youth about and promoting GLBTQ

We call for the abolition of parent consent and notification laws for reproductive health services, including abortion.
We call for the right to comprehensive sex education in school that includes birth control methods, STD protection, and information about being GLBTQ.
We call for the lowering of the voting age to 15
We oppose age-based curfew laws.

Foreign Policy
socialistparty-usa.org...

We call for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank-East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to all U.S. aid to Israel, as a precondition for peace.
We support an immediate cutoff of all U.S. military aid to Colombia, and all other recipients.
We call for the abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and all other institutions of covert warfare.
We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.

We call for the U.S. to pay off its debts to the United Nations, an end to veto power in the UN, and an end to permanent membership on the UN Security Council.

We support the right of soldiers to form unions to represent their views and interests.

Those are just a few.

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Nancy Grace was de-barred for misdirecting jury's with false evidence on countless occasions. All news sources are flawed, which is why I only get my news straight from AP. But, Fox news is an especially terrible station, and the only people who watch it are sheep.

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Hitler was a fascist. Fascism is the opposite of socialism.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Anti-semitism is plentiful in the OWS movement and right here on ATS as well.

If I disagree with the politics of Israel does that automatically make me anti-Semitic?

If people suspect that some Zionist are involved in Global conspiracies. Does that make them anti-Semitic?

If someone chooses to use Hitler as their avatar does that make them anti-Semitic?