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Originally posted by ironsavior
I think I feel therefore I have conscience and therefore I existedit on 29-11-2011 by ironsavior because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Chamberf=6
You and others have missed the point he was attempting to convey in the OP.
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by smithjustinb
Those very same selfish people are ridiculing my thread.
It is not YOUR thread according to what YOU have been saying.
The "people ridiculing" YOUR thread don't exist according to what you are saying.
According to YOU, the universe wrote this thread which does not exist on a computer which does not exist, over the internet which does not exist, to people who do not exist.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by Helious
I appreciate what your saying but at the same time, there is a me and if that me doesn't pay rent then that me will be cold, on the street and eating out of dumpsters, that is the reality that shows me that the here and now is really here.
There is no street. There are no dumpsters. There is no rent. There is only universe and you are it.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by smithjustinb
There is no me. There is only universe.
There is not even universe.. All is...
It is the simplest of truths yet peeps find it so hard to grasp...
All the things you describe do exist, but they do not exist as separate concepts or really as any concept whatsoever.
Definition of CONCEPT
1 : something conceived in the mind : thought, notion
2 : an abstract or generic idea generalized from particular instances
because we are not here. We are here and we are having an experience.
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by smithjustinb
All the things you describe do exist, but they do not exist as separate concepts or really as any concept whatsoever.
Definition of CONCEPT
1 : something conceived in the mind : thought, notion
2 : an abstract or generic idea generalized from particular instances
www.merriam-webster.com...
Things don't exist as concepts?
Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
Got to say i believe the universe seems to like individuality. Just take a quick peep at genetics and how we've all got unique coding. Wouldn't it be easier if we were all clones or didn't even individualise in the first place. I guess it's all a question of perception. When you've acheived ego death and there is no you and it only the all then you may have a point. Not many Buddhas about these days though
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
Saying we are all one and we are the universe seems to take away personal responsibility...
I get the underlying idea, but in Life it is not very practical.
edit on 11/29/2011 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by smithjustinb
because we are not here. We are here and we are having an experience.
Which is it?
I mean, other than that, oneness has many other benefits. You become confident. You feel whole. All that. But yeah, maybe it is like you said. After all, who wants to feel that way??
Oh I definitely agree that individuality has its purpose.
Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by ironsavior
i agree with lucidia and disagree with u on that point
i did got the value of empirism once now i cant really remember but what u said is not right
the confusion came from the condition that u have problem to step out for what really matter while u stay relative to it since u r not sure
like descartes in saying i think then i am, was clearly meaning that what he is is not his thoughts
now u said, i feel then i think since im aware of feeling, so basta feeling there
empirism value as i remember a bit now, is what it proves the same truth in different realm dimension
but what we are pointing here about existing is smthg else
existing is what refer to truth fact, then to what is free since it is true it doesnt have a cause nor mean therefore it is constant, it is usually the superior reference to all what is real as more true constant fact free while what is superior free is the one that must act right for alright to allow a fresh right free superior sense to rise out too
but what lucidia seem more aware about is the value of true existence that matter more then matters it realize
it seems to get straight to the point more of truth value, which is a fact independant of all purpose concept or objective effects,
when truth is then also we can say existence freedom is more in a relative sense where freedom from existence is sure since existence is sure, existence is to truth so no worry about being always supported but the freedom out of it is a relative true fact while absolute to itself one only