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Extraterrestrials on Earth - How can they live in an alien environment?

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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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How can Extraterrestrials live on Earth? Even if they’re “humanoid” it seems to be rather impossible, without them wearing a space suit, helmets etc. but that's not what contactees, abductees and others that saw, or even interacted with EBEs, report. According to the reports, the EBEs don't seem to wear pressure suits, life support systems, helmets - nothing of the sort.

ET will have to deal with the different gravitational forces, atmospheric pressure, chemical composition of Earth’s air, radiation levels, food sources and a whole slew of other factors. They’re just as challenged to overcome those as we’d be on an alien planet. If they’re from a different dimension, then they might even have to deal with a different set of laws of physics, what’s possible in their dimension may not be possible in ours and vice versa.
Even in a panspermia scenario, evolution would have taken its course. We Humans would still be significantly different from our space brothers whose planet was seeded with the same “basic ingredients” a few million years ago.

So how can they be walking the Earth?

Please note that this is not a “bait” thread, I’m really interested to hear ideas and explanations and hope for a great discussion.

Sources: My opinion is influenced by the books and papers of Paul Davies (The Goldilocks Enigma, The Fifth Miracle, The Eerie Silence), James Gardner (Biocosm), Michio Kaku (Physics of the Impossible), Francis Crick (Life Itself), Geoffrey Landis (The Fermi Paradox), Carl Sagan, Fred Hoyle, Freeman Dyson, and others.




posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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But it could also be the case that they come from a planet with the same type of atmosphere and gravity, and have been scanning the universe for a similar planet, and found us.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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Theirs plenty of differant ways they could, because if they are advanced enough to have a spaceship that can travel to other planets far away, that spaceship would have gravitational stabilizers onboard aswell as dampeners and an unbeleivable power source, They would surely have advanced methods of entering other planet atmospheres without harm it could be like a layer of nano-skin (just a random guess) but you kinda get what im saying i hope lol.

nice thread btw love talking e.t's and technology



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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Or they actually came from this rock. If you were an intelligent species with advanced capabilities such as space travel and deep sea capabilities, where would the safest place be right here on good ol mother Earth?

Well, I would choose the deepest parts of the oceans. A very stable environment is most areas. It is the largest component of the surface and living area of the planet. And, if you didn't want to be bothered by other beings, even enemies from flying by and seeing you the bottom would be a great place. You could even build large complex bases in the sides of the largest mountainous regions on the planet.

Further, you wouldn't have to deal with radiation from our nearby star, or the tornados, volcanos, and hurricanes that continually destroy the surface dwellers homes. You would quite literally be living in the most stable part of our planet.

Ever wonder why the greys may have huge eyes and only show up at night. They may be used to a darker environment. Check, bottom of the ocean is dark. And the USO's coming and going from the oceans would make sense then. The Earth has been around quite a long time. Kind of arrogant to think we are the most advanced species. After all, our wars are constantly fought on the surface. Killing each other of our own species. And people wonder why they don't just land and pop out for a chat. Humans are a very dangerous animal.

I think it is time to expand your mind a bit and consider all of the data available and not just pop out and try and claim you have all the answers. Just sayin...


edit on 29/11/11 by spirit_horse because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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when people are abducted, they always seem to be levitated to the space ship. they also report greys standing around their bed.

it could be either the "greys" are holographic projections and never actually leave their ship, are bio robotic, can withstand our atmosphere or never actually leave their ship.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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Maybe they are less "Fragile" than us humans are. If our oxygen level in our atmosphere were maybe 20 percent higher or lower, we would likely all die. If the average temperature levels were a mere 100 degrees higher or lower, we would all be dead, if the air pressure were much higher or lower... the same. UNLESS we Developed on a planet with more radical changes! But we developed here so are "acclimated" to the levels.
We also only live in a very narrow range of elevation relative to sea level. Our live giving envelope is tiny. Considering the temperature differences alone, between Venus and Mars, which are only a tiny fraction of the potential temperature range of other planets, you can see we only live in a Very Narrow range of outside of the body influences. Differences in gravity, temperature, air pressure, atmospheric gases.... we are Very Fragile. And remember this.... OXYGEN is a Corrosive gas that also allows for Fires. They may think WE are very strange for having developed here!
What happens to a human whose temperature rises above 110 degrees internally, or drops below 80? What happens to a human at 30-40 thousand feet without supplemental oxygen? A Vulcan like Spock is more tolerant of ranges. We are finding extremophiles of primitive nature on our own planet we had no idea existed. Able to live without oxygen or light, at great pressures. Yes, primitive but isn't that how we started out according to evolution? Given time.... who knows what kind of beings could develop on other planets and what their capabilities could be for living in far wider ranges than Mere Humans?



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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Im still working on how to use certain functions on this site, im trying to highlight certain points on previouse post,
E,T's under the sea: i have read and have watched some documentrys on that. its very interesting stuff and i think completely possible like a million other alternatives, that other bit of your post where you said they might be used to the dark more thats why mostly spotted at night, i have never took that into consideration before because it doesnt come up in a lot of reading materials that is a very interesting thought and obviously quite plausable, i suppose it all depends on the type of E,T's what sort of conditions thier used to, but i wouldve thought with their technology the light might not be such an obsticle for them because we have sun glasses, they could have something a bit more advanced on them lines.

nice post though it made me put a few more things into consideration


(and whos claiming to know all the facts?)



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Vandalour
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But it could also be the case that they come from a planet with the same type of atmosphere and gravity, and have been scanning the universe for a similar planet, and found us.


True - If the Universe is infinitely large (which it might be), then mathematically there will be planets, even solar systems very similar to ours. But the same math says that these solar systems / planets would be ultra far away, probably even beyond the horizon of the observable Universe, something in the region of 5 to 10 billion light years or more. So when they "scan" the Universe, Earth or our Sun wouldn't even be visible to them yet, because the light from our solar system hasn't reached them yet - therefore they couldn't detect us.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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It's actually a multifaceted answer. Some Races of E.T.....never come here....they just send probes. Others....use Biomechanical Suits....others....have GROWN an entire Sub-Culture of themselves using our and their DNA to allow access that is unfettered. That race is of a HIVE MIND and has many differnt casts or variations of themselves that are specialised for specific tasks.

This race...I believe...but am not sure....has been here the longest. The difficulty involved with communication of such an ALIEN MENTAL CONSTRUCT was difficult and they were responsible for the mass overflights of DC back in the 50's.

This was an action taken by them to express their displeasure over certain....things that were theirs....being kept by us. A treaty was arranged but we had to give as much as get.

As far as why....a COPLETELY ALIEN RACE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING in common with us.....it is theorized that specific conditions...specifically GRAVITATIONAL and ATMOSPHERIC....lend themselves to similar HIGHER PREDATOR body design.....thus frontal pointing eyes....not on the sides of the head as a COW or HORSE....which needs this to watch all angles for predators....BI-PEDAL locomotion....again....even here on Earth....a species EVOLVS what trits are most benificial to change possibility in favor of survival.....Sharks have stayed virtually the same for MILIIONS of years....because they have reached a perfection state for their enviroment. We have four legged animals here on Earth....but there is no doubt....if they do not become extict....Great Apes will evolve similar to us.

Split Infinity



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by spirit_horse
Or they actually came from this rock. If you were an intelligent species with advanced capabilities such as space travel and deep sea capabilities, where would the safest place be right here on good ol mother Earth?

Well, I would choose the deepest parts of the oceans. A very stable environment is most areas. It is the largest component of the surface and living area of the planet. And, if you didn't want to be bothered by other beings, even enemies from flying by and seeing you the bottom would be a great place. You could even build large complex bases in the sides of the largest mountainous regions on the planet.

Further, you wouldn't have to deal with radiation from our nearby star, or the tornados, volcanos, and hurricanes that continually destroy the surface dwellers homes. You would quite literally be living in the most stable part of our planet.

Ever wonder why the greys may have huge eyes and only show up at night. They may be used to a darker environment. Check, bottom of the ocean is dark. And the USO's coming and going from the oceans would make sense then. The Earth has been around quite a long time. Kind of arrogant to think we are the most advanced species. After all, our wars are constantly fought on the surface. Killing each other of our own species. And people wonder why they don't just land and pop out for a chat. Humans are a very dangerous animal.

I think it is time to expand your mind a bit and consider all of the data available and not just pop out and try and claim you have all the answers. Just sayin...


edit on 29/11/11 by spirit_horse because: (no reason given)


I didn't claim to have all the answers - hence the thread. I also think my mind is quite expanded, thank you.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying they're not extraterrestrial but a Earth species that chose to live under the ocean? This of course is probably the most extreme environment, the pressure in the deepest parts of the ocean will squash a body in a second. So a terrestrial species would need to evolve over an extremely long period of time to adapt to these depths. Well, I'm not sure if you're proposing they developed in the ocean or at some point moved back from the surface into the ocean... Anyways, I guess you're talking about an The Abyss scenario.

Point of course is that this doesn't explain the encounters here on Dry Land - they seem to be quite adapted to Earths surface conditions.....



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by nv4711

Originally posted by Vandalour
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But it could also be the case that they come from a planet with the same type of atmosphere and gravity, and have been scanning the universe for a similar planet, and found us.


True - If the Universe is infinitely large (which it might be), then mathematically there will be planets, even solar systems very similar to ours. But the same math says that these solar systems / planets would be ultra far away, probably even beyond the horizon of the observable Universe, something in the region of 5 to 10 billion light years or more. So when they "scan" the Universe, Earth or our Sun wouldn't even be visible to them yet, because the light from our solar system hasn't reached them yet - therefore they couldn't detect us.


Just because I like to taunt 4711! How you doing? The farthest back in distance space and time is 13.4 BILLION YEARS....at that distance there is what is called the WMAP....or BACKGROUND RADIATION MAP.

It is a time aprox.379,000years post BIG BANG....and beyond it...we cannot see....so it is sort of the end of the visable Universe from one perspective.

It is an OCEAN OF SUPER HEATED PLASMA that impeads all light. Split Infinity



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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Hello NV, you might find an article by Michael Swords interesting; I certainly did. He puts forward a reasonable argument that 'ETs' could *possibly* survive in our environment.


Abstract - An objection sometimes raised to the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) in UFOlogy, especially as it is applied to Close Encounters of the Third and Fourth Kinds (cases wherein UFO occupants appear), is that beings from other worlds could not find our own atmosphere compatible. Therefore all such reports are a' priori false. This paper goes beyond that simple "common sense" position to analyze whether it is scientifically defensible. It concludes that this anti-ETH position is not only indefensible but that reasonably strong arguments can be made that atmospheric compatibility might be the rule rather than the exception. Information is drawn from astronomy, planetology, biology and the history of technology.
Could Extraterrestrial Intelligences be Expected to Breathe Our Air?



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:02 AM
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Chemtrails. Changing the atmospher.
Haarp changing the temperature.

??????????



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Sorry to but in but....it maybe also that life is so prevelent in the known universe that Species that are Humanoid explore other Planetary Species that are in some ways similar.....and in the same way.....non-humanoid species....explore similar to themselves Alien Races.

Just my conjecture....but it seems to be logical. Split Infinity



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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Read the article and see what it says about that.

Swords is one of the brightest minds in the field in my opinion....and maybe the least well-known.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by Vandalour
But it could also be the case that they come from a planet with the same type of atmosphere and gravity, and have been scanning the universe for a similar planet, and found us.


That


However in the 'Alien Interview" the EBE is not handling the atmosphere to well




posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by jaxnmarko
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Maybe they are less "Fragile" than us humans are. If our oxygen level in our atmosphere were maybe 20 percent higher or lower, we would likely all die. If the average temperature levels were a mere 100 degrees higher or lower, we would all be dead, if the air pressure were much higher or lower... the same. UNLESS we Developed on a planet with more radical changes! But we developed here so are "acclimated" to the levels.
We also only live in a very narrow range of elevation relative to sea level. Our live giving envelope is tiny. Considering the temperature differences alone, between Venus and Mars, which are only a tiny fraction of the potential temperature range of other planets, you can see we only live in a Very Narrow range of outside of the body influences. Differences in gravity, temperature, air pressure, atmospheric gases.... we are Very Fragile. And remember this.... OXYGEN is a Corrosive gas that also allows for Fires. They may think WE are very strange for having developed here!
What happens to a human whose temperature rises above 110 degrees internally, or drops below 80? What happens to a human at 30-40 thousand feet without supplemental oxygen? A Vulcan like Spock is more tolerant of ranges. We are finding extremophiles of primitive nature on our own planet we had no idea existed. Able to live without oxygen or light, at great pressures. Yes, primitive but isn't that how we started out according to evolution? Given time.... who knows what kind of beings could develop on other planets and what their capabilities could be for living in far wider ranges than Mere Humans?


I agree that it is possible that provided they come from an environment with i.e. extreme changes in temperature (seasonal or even between night and day) and, for whatever reason, the need on their planet to often spend time in very high and low altitudes, they could be much more adaptable to temperature and atmospheric pressure changes. I've also considered that, the technically advanced civilization they'd logically be, they could use nanobots within their bodies that i.e. reduce (or increase) their blood (or whatever life juice they have) oxygen levels, stabilize organs or maybe even temporarily mimic human organs to cope with the Earth environment.

Gravitational differences would still be a big challenge because of its influence on weight of a given mass, atmospheric density etc, - unless of course they're just lucky and it's very similar to their home planet.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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My answer is very simple. Is it a coincidence that the UFOs seem to follow our own experimental technology? The "aliens" are probably just as human as you and me. The "alien" appearance can easily be explained by a man wearing a standard issue 3/4 helmet with a metal filmed body suit, gloves, boots, and hood. The large slanted goggle eyes are just that. Inside of them should be a fine wire mesh. In essence a reverse faraday cage. If you wish to see one just pay a visit to your local power company. They are required when working around live 250KV+ power lines. The distorted mindset of the witness can be explained by HV ionization, i.e. the witness was NOT wearing the suit.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
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Read the article and see what it says about that.

Swords is one of the brightest minds in the field in my opinion....and maybe the least well-known.




I took a quick skim through and will finish the article.....one thing that occured to me is our atmospheres high NITROGEN LEVEL. I think this....since the air we breath...besides afew gases here and there....is close to 80% NITROGEN. That might prove to be a problem for an Alien species. Split Infinity



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by nv4711
 
Hello NV, you might find an article by Michael Swords interesting; I certainly did. He puts forward a reasonable argument that 'ETs' could *possibly* survive in our environment.


Abstract - An objection sometimes raised to the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) in UFOlogy, especially as it is applied to Close Encounters of the Third and Fourth Kinds (cases wherein UFO occupants appear), is that beings from other worlds could not find our own atmosphere compatible. Therefore all such reports are a' priori false. This paper goes beyond that simple "common sense" position to analyze whether it is scientifically defensible. It concludes that this anti-ETH position is not only indefensible but that reasonably strong arguments can be made that atmospheric compatibility might be the rule rather than the exception. Information is drawn from astronomy, planetology, biology and the history of technology.
Could Extraterrestrial Intelligences be Expected to Breathe Our Air?



Excellent - Thanks Kandinsky. That is a very interesting article which certainly would make things easier also for our own space exploration.







 
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