Russia Planning To Attack America?

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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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Well spoken and good for you for taking the high road.
ATS needs more people like you.
Please continue to lead by example.
There are alot of members who could use a good role model.




posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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Is this really thread topic related?
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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Too many nukes in the world,Too much technology to hide in some bunker,that is already well known........




Nowhere to hide...................................


I was thinking that too lol.... The part that said "Russian elite to hide under ground to survive a nuclear war" was laughable..
Russia would never attack America because they will be instantly defeated by American Super Nazi Technology!!!



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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Well, if I had to venture my opinion about the article in the OP, I would have to say this........ Is some of it true? Sure, the same speculation and conjecture could be said about the U.S. or any other world, super power at any other point in history.

Super powers are always digging new hide outs, storing food and making preparations to stay one step ahead of there rivals. This has gone on as long as any of us reading this has been alive. What makes this news, is not that there doing it but the climate of the world stage in general.

Now that the amplifier has been turned all the way up across the globe, any simple move by one power or the other is closely scrutinized and the doomsayers run with every development being the end of the world and all those with there cups half filled saying this has happened a hundred times before and war was averted.

There will be endless threads in the next three months about the U.S. doing this, Russia doing that, Pakistan says this, etc etc.

Problem is, it's all endless speculation because it's all a best guess for the ones speculating. If those in charge want war they will get it, any truth we can glean from the cube will be post script and we will have no power to change the events that occur, just the power to deal with the aftermath as best we can.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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Actually I wouldn't put it past Russia to be preparing all of this for an attack on China!

The collapse of the Western world is already a done deal after the M.E war is ignited - with Israel nuking the M.E and the resulting refugees collapsing Europe. Iran/NK collapse the US with an EMP strike.

Does Russia want to share the world with China?, who they know will eat them sooner or later.


I know all of you have been soaked in USA=evil memes your whole lives, but the KGB runs Russia, the CCP runs China and 12'ver maniacs run Iran - these people are a whole different breed of evil!



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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Well you've made some valid points.

However. I for one have seen quite a few scarier Geo political situations over several decades of my life. It's funny. When members here talk about the Cold War being scarier and more dangerous it gets played down by many members these days. I feel they are either too young, not born yet and or were simply unaware of the situation at the time.

Not saying this is the case with you.

The fact of the matter is, it was much worse then than it is now. We had the Soviet Union which was much stronger then than Russia is today pushing it's global agenda causing millions of civilian deaths, not to mention what went on behind the Iron curtain. We had Eastern Europe armed to the Teeth. Red China who wouldn't even speak to us never mind selling us their goods or loaning us Trillions. Let's not mention the Cultural revolution where they killed over 30 million of their own. Do you think they would have hesitated for a second about killing tens of Millions of non Chinese at that time?

The Middle East where everybody and their brother were basically split between East and West with both sides Armed to the teeth. Much worse then than it is now.

See where I'm going with this?

Russia has lost massive amounts of territory after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Since then their population has been shrinking, they are now down to about 145 million and falling. The Middle East although volatile isn't anywhere near as bad as it once was had you lived through that period and have a real historical perspective on the subject as myself and many others here do, you'd know the difference. China is a growing power. Yet, we are one of their main markets. They would be foolish on the economic level alone to attack one of their best customers...

So excuse me if I'm a bit more skeptical and reluctant to go off half cocked and push the panic button and run for the nearest bomb shelter or start burning my credit card or gas bills in anticipation. I will admit I have noticed that there seems to be a rather vocal cheering section here at ATS who post as if they want a Nuclear holocaust or Armageddon to occur as if to reinforce some grotesque self fulfilling prophecy.

I find some replies amusing, others I find sad, and some interesting and still others I agree and or disagree with their views on the subject matter.

That's life.
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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I can feel the drumbeat in my chest as it has been thumping rather loudly for the last month. That said, do I think we are on the verge of nuclear war? Hell no.

Fact is, anyone that would start a nuclear war or who has the power to do such has alot more to lose than your average joe. That is probably why the world has not been blown up yet, give the keys to an angry drunk in a trailer park and we would have all been wiped off of Earth years ago.

Give the key to a rich, politically correct figure head who probably has ties to leadership of old and you get a good ol cold stand off which at worst case comes down to new age conventional weapons that don't even impact primary targets. It has become a chess game and world powers are too tied up with each other in there monetary systems to start wars.

Make us mad, we will spew nationalistic propaganda on our national news channel and may or may not interfere with some of your interests in nondescript countries while calling it an accident.

Countries like Iran that can't make war make idle, sensational, big threats. Countries that can make war, take another route. Look at the Cuban missile crisis. I wonder how many Americans and Russians knew they were all at the brink of human extinction.

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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Helious
Countries like Iran that can't make war make idle, sensational, big threats. Countries that can make war, take another route.


Speaking of Iran and cheering sections here at ATS.

We have our very own group of members who seem to do nothing more all day everyday is post and reply about how Iran is the victim and that they are justified in what they'll do to this country or that IF attacked. On and On the rhetoric goes, flying this way and that. Meanwhile back at the ranch {and Reality} nobody has done a damn thing to them in the past ten years or more.

Now if we were to reverse these roles and look at it objectively and we the US had our annual burn Iran Flag day and thousands in the streets {I mean thousands sanctioned by the Government the way it is over there} Chanting

Death to Iran!

Death to Iran!

People around the world would come unglued! No? Yet, hey because it's Iran talking about the US it's ok... Give me a freaking break.



Look at the Cuban missile crisis. I wonder how many Americans and Russians knew they were all at the brink of human extinction.


In the US about 90% of the population. Hell, Kennedy even got on National TV and told everybody what was up and what might happen. My parents both left work and didn't return until it was over. The US Stopped breathing for several days. In Russia/Soviet Union? Your guess is as good as mine. See. That's a prime example of what I was referring to earlier.

How many here understand just how much more dangerous it was then than it is now?

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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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On topic Russia aren't the only people making "survival preparions" as to an "attack" not likely could be like so many who visit the survival forum on here that see a global economic meltdown how many people are going around calling those "preppers aka survivalists" preparing to go to war eh?

Another "The sky is falling thread" meh.
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Im my estimation, JFK was the last president we had that was a citizen president. I may be wrong, but I believe it to be true and would debate that fact with anyone.

I will not say Iran is not a menace, they obviously are, there leadership and ideals bring them in to conflict with our very being as far as there government goes but I don't honestly believe that is the will of the Iranian people. I happen to know they are tech savvy and are largely aware and crave more.

Religion and propaganda is the rule of the day for the west. Our media won't inform the public that Iranian citizens are very much like the citizens of the United States or that they wan't the same perceived ideals, not that we actually have them but the idea and the illusion of what we are supposed to have sounds good.

We are to come to conflict, that is a for-drawn conclusion. Should it be Syria, Iran, Pakistan or in indirect terms, Russia or China, we will be drawn into conflict, that will come in the next week or two, most probably disguised by "Arab League" sanctions backed by NATO. This will take it's own form. Russia will play there hand as will we.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Helious
Im my estimation, JFK was the last president we had that was a citizen president. I may be wrong, but I believe it to be true and would debate that fact with anyone.


Some would disagree with you, and still others went as far as taking a bullet and putting it upside his head.


I will not say Iran is not a menace, they obviously are, there leadership and ideals bring them in to conflict with our very being as far as there government goes but I don't honestly believe that is the will of the Iranian people. I happen to know they are tech savvy and are largely aware and crave more.


Iran is no God damned direct military threat to anybody! That's all in their head and apparently many members here as well. What Iran is, is a thorn in the side of the West. Let's face reality here about Iran. If the West really truly wanted Iran gone it would have happened after 9/11 or a long time ago.

But that doesn't give them the right to supply, support and train insurgents all over the region then sit back and play the victim when their Covert activities are scrutinized!


Religion and propaganda is the rule of the day for the west. Our media won't inform the public that Iranian citizens are very much like the citizens of the United States or that they wan't the same perceived ideals, not that we actually have them but the idea and the illusion of what we are supposed to have sounds good.


All that information is readily available online. You know about it so do I. Neither of us are responsible for anybody {American or anybody else on the face of the planet} not researching the issues on their own. This isn't the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s or even the 90s anymore

We have access to the world wide web now.


We are to come to conflict, that is a for-drawn conclusion. Should it be Syria, Iran, Pakistan or in indirect terms, Russia or China, we will be drawn into conflict, that will come in the next week or two, most probably disguised by "Arab League" sanctions backed by NATO. This will take it's own form. Russia will play there hand as will we.



AND aint none of this NEW!

The world has had conflict before we Americans arrived on the scene or the Russians or NATO etc. I've lived under the threat of Global conflict before.

Here is another issue many who are Cheering for China to be the next Super power to rival the US. Now they either haven't studied history or simply are unaware of how dangerous the world is while being a "Multi-Polar" world instead of being under one.

If they are not aware of it. Simply read up on what lead to WW-I!

A Multi-Polar world is more dangerous not less.
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Iran is a direct military threat because of there absolution and there robust economy as it pertains to the oil trade and who exactly there supplying oil too. Should you think Iran does not have the capability to strike western assets in Europe or even Israel is folly. They posses high grade soviet weapons of the new age and have been trained to use them.

Could they attack America on our own soil with any success? Rofl, no......... Could they set off the biggest powder keg the world has seen since the Cuban missile crisis as everyone draws there cards close to there chest and decides what hand to play? Well, you tell me.

Iran is dangerous, make no mistake, it may not be there striking military but they have distinguished friends and those friends don't like the idea of of the U.S. moving any further East into Europe as they already have. It's a no brainier when you glance at a global map, checks and balances, all that.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Helious
Iran is a direct military threat because of there absolution and there robust economy as it pertains to the oil trade and who exactly there supplying oil too.


Robust economy?
Really?


Should you think Iran does not have the capability to strike western assets in Europe or even Israel is folly. They posses high grade soviet weapons of the new age and have been trained to use them.


I'm not going to waste time getting into a pissing contest between Iran's capabilities and those areas you think Iran is a threat to. Because, The reality is this, those potential targets you mentioned are not lame sitting ducks. They are more than capable of dealing with Iran on their own individually, never mind if Iran attacks Israel and then Bombs Turkey like they have threatened to do.

Piss off not one but two regional powers that individually have more fire power than they do?
Now where is the logic in that?

Don't bother, There is none.
This is why they are of concern to many, because of that very flawed thinking and rhetoric


Could they attack America on our own soil with any success? Rofl, no......... Could they set off the biggest powder keg the world has seen since the Cuban missile crisis as everyone draws there cards close to there chest and decides what hand to play? Well, you tell me.


Do you think Russia would risk the lives of tens of millions of it's own citizens over the likes of Iran or Syria? Russia didn't do a damn thing while their empire collapsed around them. They didn't do a damn thing when Eastern Europe collapsed at their doorstep. The didn't do too well in Afghanistan. They did a great job beating up little tiny Georgia though. I'll give them that.


Iran is dangerous, make no mistake


Yes.
To themselves. If they keep screwing around with the Tigers tail.... they are going to get bit. BAD!


it may not be there striking military but they have distinguished friends and those friends don't like the idea of of the U.S. moving any further East into Europe as they already have. It's a no brainier when you glance at a global map, checks and balances, all that.


Again, Are they willing to sacrifice millions of their own citizens over the likes of Iran and or Syria? Because this isn't a game. The Chess pieces have been moved.

The US/West have already positioned themselves in the Gulf.
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by concernedcitizen519
 


Too many nukes in the world,Too much technology to hide in some bunker,that is already well known........




Nowhere to hide...................................


And more recently all the US and UK Tridents have been upgraded to take out the most hardened of targets.

There was a bit of a hissy fit on that one as you can imagine.

The small fuze with the big effect...
www.fas.org...

Not to mention the other rumours out there that the Trident D5 can also deliver conventional warheads and that there are even more specialised ground penetrator versions..

All in all quite an inventory to take out hardened targets and in turn provide a comprehensive deterrent to anyone silly enough to attack the West.
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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The funny thing about it is. In a post-apocalyptic world what good is money? My checkbook and yours would be useless. Any trade that goes on will be for goods and services not money. Anyone saving cash for the big one is ill prepared.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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I'm just posting to break up Helious & Slayer.

They can say all they want about how the US has cut back on it's military. Well guess what...we don't just go out and spend a trillion dollars on gold plated toilet seats. We have # that'll make Russia go bye-bye within a matter of minutes.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Russia doesn't have the logistics to attack the USA and I think you'll find that it's Russia being surrounded by US missile shields and forward bases.



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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I know some of the three letter agencies express a little more concern about Russia then the middle east.
Depending on what numbers you look at, Russia has a few more nukes then the US.

I think the bigger concern here is: Who would Russia sell them too?



posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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--US Civil War ole President Lincoln had to get Russia's help to beat the South and got the entire Atlantic and Pacific Naval Fleets of Russia into Union Ports

--"Boxer Rebellion" a few years later the US/Russia went and slaughtered the Chinese and made them pay 67 million pounds of silver for "reparations"


Massachusetts/Virginia will still side with Russia to enslave the world. Russia created the America you see today...they ended the US Civil Flag from flying over America.






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