posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:35 AM
Originally posted by seabag
Originally posted by timidgal
reply to post by Zippidee
But that's just the point Watcher was making - it's all a sham. The original cold war was not a fallacy and events like the Bay of Pigs
presented monumental dangers that we were lucky to escape (in my opinion) but the term has taken on a colloquial meaning that is, in reality, a
fallacity and used to invoke panic and fear. The question is, exactly how far will TPTB go to make everyone believe it's not a fallacy and we're
not actually in bed with some of our so called enemies?
edit on 11/28/2011 by timidgal because: (no reason given)
Or maybe TPTB aren't really that powerful. Maybe NATO really is a group of nations looking out for their best interests. Maybe NATO is really trying
to free people from oppression. Maybe the U.S. isn't evil?
I find it hard to believe that communist China and Russia would submit to TPTB. Communists aren't known for submission.
Maybe it really is a battle between good and evil? Maybe the U.S. and it's allies really are a force for good?!?
Nah!!!! That's too far fetched, right!!
I'm going to share a story with you that goes under the heading "out of the mouths of babes...". It's related in theme but not the exact topic
and has to do with the goodness or badness of the USA hierarchy.
I recently took my teenage daughter to see the movie The Ides of March
and she couldn't understand why I was so upset after the movie. Now, I
love her to death but she's a typical teenager who's not too concerned with anything beyond her social life and herself (even though she's been
raised in a somewhat politically involved household). I told her that the movie upset me because I felt it was a blatant reminder of how messed up
our political system has become and how it highlighted for me that there's really no one who isn't corruptable. She understood this concept as best
she could (or wanted to).
The conversation then shifted to Obama and why my attitude towards him has changed in recent months since I was initially in favor of his Presidency.
So I explained to her what has gone wrong since he took over - the wars and the foreign spending while our local economy is basically in ruins and his
call for all of this stimulus and additional entitlements, etc. All of the sudden, she said something that I've never even considered and I've
thought about this but haven't really thought it through enough to formulate a theory. I'm sure I'll get blasted for this by the preponderance of
Obama bashers on the boards, but remember that this came out of the mouth of an innocent who has not yet been biased and who, just might, be able to
see the forest through the trees as opposed to us hardened skeptics.
She said to me "Mom, everyone goes around all doom and gloom about how all politicians lie, the economy is terrible and all he wants to do is spend
more money without so much as a second thought. If everyone lies, how do we know that what we've been told all these years, that our economy is in
bad shape, isn't itself the lie and that this one President is brave enough to use that knowledge and spend the money we unknowingly have in order to
get the country on its feet again? How do we know that our past Presidents haven't been the true liars and that he is just covering for them because
that's what they do?
At that moment, I realized how truly cynical I've become and I have to tell you that I've given occassional thought to what she said. Who knows -
history has shown that out of the mouths of babes have come some of the most profound and just of truths. Just a thought to throw out there while all
of this USA bashing is taking place.