Understanding The History and Purpose of FOX News

reply to post by ILikeStars


Those weren't bad until the second video when he ruined it with that 666 non sense.
Everything else was right on though.

reply to post by beezzer


It is fine to do this. Because no one has such an aggressive agenda as FOX. I have never seen a show on those other stations with people that actually belittle and argue with their guests.

Find me a show from one of those stations with any hosts like Hannity or Oreilly.

reply to post by LeoStarchild


Wrong. Look up all those stations rating compared to Fox.

Originally posted by TamaraChristine
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

So a channel that goes to court and fights for the right to lie and call it "News." represents American values?
Can you expand on that?

First, you should specify what lies they are telling. I'd love to hear it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You can't compare a perpetual liar to an occasional liar and tell me that those are the same. Fox is unbearable, laughable and I'm really convinced that they lie every time.

Why do you defend them?

Just because they are not "leftish"? Grow up, the world ain't all right- and left-wing, there are enough shades between. And no, just because another MSM doesn't tell you about the world like Fox does, this doesn't mean that they are lying. If in doubt: Fox is lying.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

It’s against the law to lie on television in Canada. Canadian conservatives tried to change that law so FOX could broadcast in Canada. They were unable to get the law changed, so FOX does not operate in Canada!"

Yeah that was a rather funny story. In the US the law states that a "News" corporation has no legally binding principle that states it must report the news, first off. Secondly, they are allowed to distort, alter, or even make up stories, even if doing so could put people in danger.

I believe it was the fox report on bovine growth hormone that actually got that ruling in writing.

So Fox decides they want to create Fox News Canada, and appealed to the CRTC to change the rules following in line with the US rule stating news companies can just make crap up.

The CRTC "debated" this, the public outrage was palatable, and it was turned down.

You are allowed to lie on Canadian TV, just not while "reporting" news.

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


You are not a member of Mensa.
Proof: You watch Fox and take it for real.
Further proof: You can prejudge everyone not in your book on this board for being liberal - there are more shades than only True American Republican and icky liberals.

But I don't blame you, it's part of the US-American system, two parties are so much easier to steer than having a third or even a fourth party in politics. This basic concept pervades your culture, just look around. There is always one thing (which you like) and the opposite (you hate that, of course). Where is the middle piece?

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by TamaraChristine
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

So a channel that goes to court and fights for the right to lie and call it "News." represents American values?
Can you expand on that?

First, you should specify what lies they are telling. I'd love to hear it.

No disrespect but to you happen to read the first page of this thread at all?
Many of them are right there.


Anyway, when you get done with that you might try reading my post and actually responding to what I wrote. That might be why you missed the lies on the front page.
I did not actually say that they lie.
I said the WENT TO COURT AND FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO TELL LIES AND CALL IT NEWS.
Either you do not understand English or you knew you could not challenge that. If the latter is the case, why say anything at all I wonder.

Oh dear, just been to the fox-homepage..

Just look at these headlines: "Tonight on the O'Reilly Factor
8/11p ET: An illegal alien released by a federal agency and then accused of murder? We have the shocking update!" Year, very shocking, indeed. Didn't have enough fire in it, so it had to be pronounced how "shocking" it is.

You know, we have something similar here in Germany, called "Bild" - its a simple, loud tabloid, running (as "Die Ärzte" once sang) "Angst, Hass, Ti**en und den Wetterbericht" = Fear, Hate, B00bies, Weather.
Of course, this "news"paper sells well, you can consume it without thinking about or even remembering of the story, it just runs along, entertaining you.

And thats all there is: Entertainment.

Do you want to live your life and make its decisions based on entertainment?

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by freakjive

 

You're right, I should have pointed out those are satire images, not actual Fox newscaps - they come from this page: What if Fox News had been there for other key moments in World History?

I am a person who likes to hear and see the truth. You should have mentioned this in the beginning. Is there a reason why you didn't do so? Sounds like you yourself work for the MSM. They like to pull that kind of crap. I'm not a Fox fan at all. Just want the truth...

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

You are not a member of Mensa.
Proof: You watch Fox and take it for real.
Further proof: You can prejudge everyone not in your book on this board for being liberal - there are more shades than only True American Republican and icky liberals.

But I don't blame you, it's part of the US-American system, two parties are so much easier to steer than having a third or even a fourth party in politics. This basic concept pervades your culture, just look around. There is always one thing (which you like) and the opposite (you hate that, of course). Where is the middle piece?

Again: give me an example of a specific lie told by Fox.

I'm sorry that you don't think conservatives can be intelligent, but you are mistaken.

I have good friends and relatives who are liberal, as well as good friends and relatives who are conservative. I am not prejudiced against my friends and relatives with liberal views, nor do I find them to be less intelligent. Neither are my conservative friends and relatives more intelligent.

I do, however, often find there to be an arrogance among the intelligent liberals, especially here on ATS, that is missing from the intelligent conservatives. Also, there are examples from BOTH parties of people who are less intelligent.

I don't hate either political party. ALL I SAID WAS I LIKE FOX NEWS, and I really dislike when liberals equate liking Fox news to being intellectually inferior! How does that relate to hatred of liberals???

Originally posted by TamaraChristine

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by TamaraChristine
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

So a channel that goes to court and fights for the right to lie and call it "News." represents American values?
Can you expand on that?

First, you should specify what lies they are telling. I'd love to hear it.

No disrespect but to you happen to read the first page of this thread at all?
Many of them are right there.

Anyway, when you get done with that you might try reading my post and actually responding to what I wrote. That might be why you missed the lies on the front page.
I did not actually say that they lie.
I said the WENT TO COURT AND FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO TELL LIES AND CALL IT NEWS.
Either you do not understand English or you knew you could not challenge that. If the latter is the case, why say anything at all I wonder.

edit on 29-11-2011 by TamaraChristine because: (no reason given)

You're the one who made the claim to me that they fought for the right to tell lies. I also saw that claim made on the other pages. But no one specifed WHAT they are lying about. THAT is what I want someone to show.

That sounds like spin to me. MANY headlines are spun to show a particular point of view.

What I am asking you is this:
WHAT LIE did they want to tell? I belileve the burden of proof is on you. You say they lie. They went to court to be able to fight for their right to tell lies. Explain to me: WHAT LIES???

NOTE: Why do you need to resort to saying things like I can't "understand English"? That is rude, and doesn't help the discussion at all.


EDIT: The only thing I see on the first page that MIGHT be examples of "lies" are the video clips. I'm on a computer right now that does not allow me to watch You Tube videos. So, since none of the videos have any explanations, I can't see them. Perhaps if some notes had been beneath each video, I would know the content.

Secondly, I do see that they made some errors (poll numbers) and mislabeling R and D. Do you honestly think the other news networks don't make mistakes?

Look, when Obama says dumb things (like when he said he was visiting 57 states during the last election) I don't think it is because he is stupid or because he is secretly a Muslim (or anything other reason that has been attributed to him). I think he made a MISTAKE! We have go to stop using these mistakes as ammunition. BOTH parties do it. It's ridiculous.

Sometimes a mistake is....a MISTAKE! Or maybe...OBAMA is a liar! He tried to get us to believe there were 57 states!!!!! Nope, I'll go with mistake.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Oh dear, just been to the fox-homepage..

Just look at these headlines: "Tonight on the O'Reilly Factor
8/11p ET: An illegal alien released by a federal agency and then accused of murder? We have the shocking update!" Year, very shocking, indeed. Didn't have enough fire in it, so it had to be pronounced how "shocking" it is.

You know, we have something similar here in Germany, called "Bild" - its a simple, loud tabloid, running (as "Die Ärzte" once sang) "Angst, Hass, Ti**en und den Wetterbericht" = Fear, Hate, B00bies, Weather.
Of course, this "news"paper sells well, you can consume it without thinking about or even remembering of the story, it just runs along, entertaining you.

And thats all there is: Entertainment.

Do you want to live your life and make its decisions based on entertainment?

Many Americans WOULD find it to be shocking or even disgusting that an illegal Alien was held and then released and then went on to commit murder. He commited a crime (being here illegally), was caught for it, and then released to commit murder.

You'd certainly be shocked by it if the murder was of someone you knew or loved.

hi,
Recently I read a book, Left Turn, by Tim Groseclose that in my opinion describes FOX news as right of center, thus meaning conservative and obviously bias. The book goes on to state that FOX is not as right of center as the other news agencies are left of center, meaning more extreme liberal bias from the other departments. The book uses mathmatical political quotients or PQ factor to describe the bias, left or right leaning, of the individuals involved in the news and the politicians who come on it which to me thus far seems to be the most educated approach to determining bias.
I believe that right now FOX news serves as a necessary right leaning bias agency or else all bias that occurs on the news would generally be left leaning. I may be wrong and I am not afraid to be but on particular thing that occurs to me is the OWS protests. As far as i know the other media agencies put OWS on a pedastal while FOX was the only one to point out some of the more ridiculous behavior that was going on. FOX was also the only one, by way of Glenn Beck on O' Reilly to point out that OWS may be bought by George Soros's money.
Weither that is true or not, we wouldn't have that side of the story if it weren't for FOX news.
The final thing I would like to point out which is also in the book and the best piece of advice in it is that in order to get a full perspective of what is going on in the world you have to engage in multiple sources of information from the right (FOX), the left, (the other news), and the independent, (the internet) or else you will just get a bias version of whatever story you are prescribing to.
Until we find a way to combat bias and promote "fair and balanced journalism", in this two party system I am afraid FOX is the best we will get only as an antithesis to the left wing bias that already existed well before its creation.

Great post. I worry about being be-headed every time I bring up the idea that
Fox news is dying a slow death. Yes they have the highest ratings, but so does
Porn for websites. And they're slipping. The whole kit and caboodle is going down.
And what an empire it was. All those AM talk radio station shills that work for the interest
of the billionaires are slowly going down too.
I personally believe it can't happen soon enough.
Fox brings a special kind of **** to their news.

reply to post by ILikeStars


Your post is total and utter bullcrap!

Just because Fox News is different, and does't follow the same rules of "journalism" as CNN, doesn't mean they are fabricating one damn thing.

I am going to keep this short and sweet, so that you liberals and understand. Here is your VERY OWN CBS NEWS INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT WHO SAYS HE WILL JAIL ANYONE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN.

This is in DIRECT contradiction in what you post, saying that Glenn Beck lies.

What the hell is wrong with you people? You now ignore facts to support your liberal agenda?

I am really sick and tired of Fox news being attacked.

LINK

I would be able to dispute every one of the claims made by your liberal pundits, including John "i am so freaking funny" Stewart. You turn to celebrity shock jocks for your news now?

Who cares if FOX does not have "news correspondants?" Who cares if they don't "break the news"? Pretty smart if you ask me.

Watch and see what happens when the dollar collapses and this country is flushed down the toilet because of the jealous rage that you liberals have brought upon us.

Who are you going to run to then? Al Gore? Alex Baldwin maybe? Yeah, go for it.

Michael Savage said it best: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

Flame away.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

You are not a member of Mensa.
Proof: You watch Fox and take it for real.
Further proof: You can prejudge everyone not in your book on this board for being liberal - there are more shades than only True American Republican and icky liberals.

But I don't blame you, it's part of the US-American system, two parties are so much easier to steer than having a third or even a fourth party in politics. This basic concept pervades your culture, just look around. There is always one thing (which you like) and the opposite (you hate that, of course). Where is the middle piece?

I am a member of Mensa. Pick on me, not the Girl.

You want to challenge my intelligence because I watch fox news and nothing else? Go for it.

I also think the idea of the liberal media is absurd.
From the political perspective it's the far right that has the market cornered.
Look up liberal radio vs conservative radio. It's not even close.
Also I believe that not having an agenda against minorities,gays and illegals makes
a station a liberal one in the eyes of many right wingers.

Bias is one thing, outright fabrication of news is another. No real news network has gone to the lengths FOX has to fabricate news, purposely misstate headlines, or feign outrage over events that never happened. MSNBC has a bias, but they've never gone to the lengths FOX has to distort the news to fit their agenda. FOX commits lies on air, uses doctored and edited videos, and repeats GOP talking points as their own. This is not a news network, it's a propaganda machine for the GOP, and neither CNN nor MSNBC come close to that.

The Ten Most Egregious Fox News Distortions (VIDEO)

Fox's news programs echo its "opinion" shows: Smears, doctored videos, GOP talking points

The funniest example from this article is where the FOX segment "Happening Now" used a GOP press release, typo and all, as it's own research - one of the big complaints about FOX is that it's reporting is little more than GOP talking points and press releases, and here was proof when they copied a GOP press release right down to the typos. (from Happening Now (11 a.m.-1 p.m. ET): Home of repeated attempts to pass off GOP research as its own)

Another funny example is this one:
"It's split": FOX News correspondent needs math classes

Outright fabrication, edited and doctored videos, disinformation and lies are to me nothing more than bias at its extremes, because it is still the ways in which one goes about promoting an agenda. Here is a video of all of the news left and right using a script to promote the war in Iraq.

so you can see that extreme bias is something that all the agencies are very capable of. And if you look more in depth at the individual programs on FOX just like all the others they are varying to a degree on how bias they are. Extreme Bias, Bill O' Reilly, more middle of the road, Neil Cavuto, libertarian ideals, John Stossel, so in that reguard I think it is illogical to say FOX is any better or worse than the others just leaning in the opposite way. But I definetly do not condone subversive activities performed by any news agency I just realize its a product of the times in which we live.