Russia to send warships and aircraft carrier to Syria in 2012

Well it seems Russia is very serious about not letting NATO attack Syria OR ELSE.

Russia to send warships to Syria in 2012: report

Russia will send a flotilla of warships led by its only aircraft carrier to its naval base in Syria for a port call next year amid tensions with the West over the Syrian crisis, a report said Monday.

The ships, headed by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, will dock at the little-utilised Russian base in the Syrian port of Tartus in spring 2012, the Izvestia daily said, quoting the Russian navy.

The Tartus base, a strategic asset for Moscow dating back to Soviet times, is rarely used by Russian vessels and currently no Russian ship is based there although civilian and military personnel are present.

NATO, are you understanding this? BACK OFF OR WORLD WAR 3. Or eh, maybe this will push NATO for an attack BEFORE Russia ever makes it to Tartus...

A naval spokesman confirmed the plan to send the ships but insisted it had nothing to do with the deadly violence in Syria between forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and the opposition. "The call of the Russian ships in Tartus should not be seen as a gesture towards what is going on in Syria," the spokesman told the paper, adding the Admiral Kuznetsov would also visit Beirut, Genoa and Cyprus.

"This was planned already in 2010 when there were no such events there. There has been active preparation and there is no need to cancel this," added the spokesman.

It said the Admiral Kuznetsov would not be able to dock in Tartus itself due to the size of the vessel but anchor outside and be supplied by the smaller ships accompanying it. The ship has visited Tartus before in 1995 and 2007.

It will only escalate if the war mongers let it...................................

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"This was planned already in 2010 when there were no such events there. There has been active preparation and there is no need to cancel this," added the spokesman.

You do know they ALWAYS say this right? Any country that does this kind of moves always say ``it was planned``, ``it's not connected to events happening right now``, etc... it's a bunch of bull when the US says it, it's a bunch of bull when it's Israel saying it and it's a bunch of bull when Russia says it.

History shows that big military moves like that are never ``coincidental``. Big coincidence that there's a massive contingent of troops just on the border of Poland just before WW2... it was all planned... only an exercise... etc... always the same BS excuse used.

Why do they think they can wait that long? More & more it looks like stagecraft between friends. Let's wait and see how the script goes once they are done setting the stage.

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Well,I would think being in the works since 2010 would make it preemptive,right?

The Russian crystal ball is marvelous thing..........

Originally posted by jcord
Why do they think they can wait that long? More & more it looks like stagecraft between friends. Let's wait and see how the script goes once they are done setting the stage.

Well the aircraft carrier is departing Russia in December... and they probably don't think that NATO has all the cards to attack Syria, yet... they are only up to weak financial ``sanctions`` for now. From that to war is a long way unless Syria does something stupid and start launching missiles.

And aircraft carriers don't go that fast.

Izvestia said the Admiral Kuznetsov -- Russia's only operational aircraft carrier -- would head down from the Russian Far North in December, keeping west of Europe and heading into the Mediterranean through the Strait of Gibraltar. It would also carry around a dozen aircraft.

From Russia's far north to Tartus, around Europe, it's about 12 000+ km. At 40km/hour at maximum speed (which you can't do in the far north and elsewhere depending on the weather) it would still take 13 days... more realistically it will take twice that time... at least.

Well,I would think being in the works since 2010 would make it preemptive,right?

Says who it was planned from 2010? Russia? We can totally believe them...

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That is Russia's only operational carrier. I wonder if they can afford to lose it.

Originally posted by jcord
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

That is Russia's only operational carrier. I wonder if they can afford to lose it.

I think not.

But eh, they know if they lose it, it'll be nuclear war anyways, so they know they're not going to lose it and if they do, it won't matter anyways.

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Russian propaganda at it's best. Of course anything can happen between now and end of 2012!

Russia is NOT going to send one single naval vessel into Syrian waters for any clash. They're not that stupid.

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This was already posted, although I could have sworn I read they would send them this upcoming month. NATO is not going to back down, since when does the "stronger power" back down? WW3 is coming, face it, there's nothing we can do about it, unless....

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Russian propaganda at it's best. Of course anything can happen between now and end of 2012!

Between now and spring 2012.

Russia is NOT going to send one single naval vessel into Syrian waters for any clash. They're not that stupid.

They might think of sending those vessels to AVERT a clash...

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Of course, U.S. navy can't be touched. In all honesty, the only factor I believe Russia has on U.S. would be ground troops on ground troops, due to Russias intense physical Military training, those soldiers are hard as rock, but sad thing is they'd never touch land in the U.S., and I doubt we'd do ground combat in a World War, it'd be mechanical, nuclear, and biological warfare.

google Admiral Kuznetsov headed to syria

and within search tools > custom date set an upper limit of around 11/30/2010

Apparently they do this all the time.

I personally think that the US is being used as a battering ram and those using it do not care what happens to it. In fact they want it to be eventually destroyed or at least unrecoverably weakened in the process of beating down the rest of the world. But of course, this is a moving target.

And by 2015 the majority of them will be Muslim. The Muslims in the Russian military are in better shape than the typical ethnic Russian due to alcoholism of the latter.

Originally posted by FidelityMusic
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Of course, U.S. navy can't be touched. In all honesty, the only factor I believe Russia has on U.S. would be ground troops on ground troops, due to Russias intense physical Military training, those soldiers are hard as rock, but sad thing is they'd never touch land in the U.S., and I doubt we'd do ground combat in a World War, it'd be mechanical, nuclear, and biological warfare.

Originally posted by jcord
And by 2015 the majority of them will be Muslim. The Muslims in the Russian military are in better shape than the typical ethnic Russian due to alcoholism of the latter.

Originally posted by FidelityMusic
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

Of course, U.S. navy can't be touched. In all honesty, the only factor I believe Russia has on U.S. would be ground troops on ground troops, due to Russias intense physical Military training, those soldiers are hard as rock, but sad thing is they'd never touch land in the U.S., and I doubt we'd do ground combat in a World War, it'd be mechanical, nuclear, and biological warfare.

Got caught in whether this was sarcasm, a joke, or serious. But putting that aside for a sec, what 2015 are you talking about? With no humans left on the face of the earth after this upcoming World War there will be no 2015.

According to this russian source, the Russians are sending those ships to avoid a NATO war against Syria.

Sea alert: Russian warships head for Syria

Moscow is deploying warships at its base in the Syrian port of Tartus. The long-planned mission comes, providentially, at the very moment when it could help prevent a potential conflict in the strategically important Middle Eastern country.

­The Russian battle group will consist of three vessels led by the heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser, Admiral Kuznetsov.

Nevertheless, he added that the presence of a military force other than NATO’s is very useful for this region, because “it will prevent the outbreak of an armed conflict,” Izvestia quoted Kravchenko as saying.

At present, the base is mostly used to support vessels of Russia’s Black Sea fleet. Some 600 military and civilian personnel of the Defense Ministry serve there.

“Of course, the Russian naval forces in the Mediterranean will be incommensurate with those of the US 6th Fleet, which includes one or two aircraft carriers and several escort ships,” Admiral Kravchenko explained. “But today, no one talks about possible military clashes, since an attack on any Russian ship would be regarded as a declaration of war with all the consequences.”

The mission is set to start in early December, when the Admiral Kuznetsov begins its journey in the Barents Sea, accompanied by another vessel of Russia’s Northern Fleet, the heavy ASW ship Admiral Chabanenko. The group will then skirt the European continent from the west and enter the Mediterranean through the Straits of Gibraltar.

So they say the mission begins in December, but they don't say when they reach Syria... my guess would be February.

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You think the US navy cant be touched??

USS Liberty,
USS Cole,

Here is a list of more ships sunk during WW2:
www.history.navy.mil...

And these were attacks done by small countries, Also remember the HMS sheffield (british) ripped apart by a Subsonic exocet. It is laughable that people think that a US carrier is unsinkable by russian forces who have better missiles than the exocet.

2012???? They are a little late to the party then. This mug is aognna kick off in the next week or two...that carrier will be useless.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Well it seems Russia is very serious about not letting NATO attack Syria OR ELSE.

Russia to send warships to Syria in 2012: report

Russia will send a flotilla of warships led by its only aircraft carrier to its naval base in Syria for a port call next year amid tensions with the West over the Syrian crisis, a report said Monday.

The ships, headed by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, will dock at the little-utilised Russian base in the Syrian port of Tartus in spring 2012, the Izvestia daily said, quoting the Russian navy.

The Tartus base, a strategic asset for Moscow dating back to Soviet times, is rarely used by Russian vessels and currently no Russian ship is based there although civilian and military personnel are present.

NATO, are you understanding this? BACK OFF OR WORLD WAR 3. Or eh, maybe this will push NATO for an attack BEFORE Russia ever makes it to Tartus...

edit on 28-11-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
it is laughable that people think that a US carrier is unsinkable by russian forces who have better missiles than the exocet.

Two things.

First off, Who here in this thread said "US carriers are unsinkable"?
Second and more importantly, when was the last time the Russian Navy fought a real Naval power or seen any significant Naval action?

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Have you forgotten how much technology has advanced, in the past 10 years alone? How much war differs now from what it did even 5 years ago? The U.S. has weapons none of us are aware of. When I say "can't be touched", I mean can't be defeated, and will not be defeated. Didn't think I had to be literal with my statement. It's like me saying a 2 foot midget couldn't touch a 6 foot professional boxer in a fight. The midget will possibly get a few hits in, and maybe a few good blows, but in reality, unless he had God on his side, he will lose .