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reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 02:00 AM by gipoz

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reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 03:13 AM by gipoz

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LOL!!!!! One of my posts didn't make it!!!

Because I raised good points against all you you hate mongers...

Interesting... when people here suggests to almost eradicate an entire people it is ok... lol... retarded... as you long as your words are covered in linen.

I'm done with this bul

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 07:40 AM by maceov

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by maceov

The most agregious phrase used in this hate piece thread is the coded title, "It's time to Relocate Israel."

As I have pointed out before, it is impossible to move a nation, so this is a couched reference to say, "...round up the jews." That is the very way it started in Nazi Germany that led to the gas showers and mass murder.

All i can say to you is that you are completely wrong.
I did not create this thread, to slyly have a stab at arm chair Nazi politics.

I was trying to figure out how to save the Middle East , Including Israel, what might be
annihilation, at some time in the future.

Perhaps moving away from some bad neighbourhood is not so bad an Idea. People do this all the time after the
settlle in their dream house only to find that the neighbours are completely barking mad.

Am I right.

I am not the one who posted that. That was romanmel. No, you are not right. You opened up a completely inflammatory thread to begin with here, and yes, feelings run strongly on both sides. It was of course the round the Jews up and gas them that just did it for me that completely set my teeth on edge.

You'll forgive me if I don't fully believe what you say here now.

Statistics show a startling increase in anti-semitism throughout Europe once more. Jews do not rule the world. That IS the kind of nazi propaganda that got the people riled up against them, as all of a sudden, they were somehow responsible for all the ills in the world.

I would not even consider the devil-worshipping illuminati Rothschilds to be Jewish. They and their ilk sold their souls for the god of mammon some time ago. They have their rewards.

Yes, I believe in God. That is not a crime, and I'm just a tad bit tired of those who do not, stating that we are barking mad.

The truth was spoken yesterday. The state of Israel IS INDEED 70% non-believing.- but those people who've never been there and have not lived there would not know this was the truth. There is a very secularized group of people that live in Israel who just want to make love, live their lives how they see fit, and not have bombs being lobbed at them. I had religious and non-religious friends. I had Jewish and Palestinian friends whom I cared about very much.

I love Israel. I pray for the safety of her people throughout the world each and every day.

Now, there is also a religious faction within Israel, whom I think take things to such major extremes, that it robs them of the joy of living. But that is a much smaller percent of israel's populace.

I don't begrudge them, however, for if they don't want to turn a light switch on on the Sabbath, more power to them.

As I stated yesterday, I witnessed hostilities on BOTH sides of the divide over there. But I also saw many Jews and Arabs working side by side in the markets, and being very friendly to each other. There are also neighbors from both sides who have each other over, and have children who play together.

My heart grieves for my Palestinian friends who cannot get over into the Israeli side to open up their shops in the old city. But my heart grieves even more for innocent Jewish people getting blown up in restaurants and discotheques for no reason.

I do know that there are people on BOTH sides who just want to live in peace with their fellow man, and live as rich and full a life as is humanly possible. I believe that is just one of the basic tenets of humanity.

Oh, and about Israel being annihilated by her hostile neighbors, as I said, please google the miraculous events that occurred during the 1967 war. I think heavenly forces did a very good job of protecting these people. Tanks and planes and troops were seen that were from heavenly realms.

You may choose to believe or disbelieve. That is your option. But I was greatly encouraged by reading how they have been saved time and time again from the brink of calamity.

Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem!

edit on 30-11-2011 by maceov because: Had to correct syntax in paragraph.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 07:54 AM by maceov

Originally posted by Ricky Revere
History History History!
Israel existed thousands of years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!
Israel was reinstated as a Nation and that was really as result of the 1924 Balfour declaration. Listen..History tells us that Palestine was not a nation nor a state and that the issue today is political ....Palestine was a land of Nomads, they were wanderers did not live in a nation or state.....The declaration of a Palestinian state is a major division of the Jewish and Arabs and is being done to move Israel out of the region. Arabs and Jews have had a issues since day one, from the time of Abraham. Those of you who are Jew haters, who blame my Jewish brothers for every issue from 9/11 to the Mid East problems of today lack factual historical information which means that you are ignorant of facts that cause you to be prejudicial. Israel will always exists and that burns so many of you. This tiny country that is 16 miles wide is surrounded by tens of thousands of tanks....Why? Because its neighbors are jealous which has been and remains the basic issue in the mid east and in other regions.....Israel was a desert in the late forties and today is a flowering gem in the desert and exports the to the European Union most of its flowers....Having read for years ATS I had to post my take as so many of you are so jaded, lack facts, and show your lack of class....Just as Persia was the birth of mathematics, Israel has been a World Class leader of culture for thousands of years.

Could NOT have said it better!!! I was "tempted" to answer some of the very foolish remarks that were made, but decided to choose my battles. Bless you!!!

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 08:10 AM by maceov

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by BO XIAN

The 108 year old super revered Rabbi in Jerusalem . . . REVEALED the name of your Messiah in a coded message read a year after his death as he directed.

Who said I'm Jewish? You know, someone can support the Jews, with as much interest as a Jew would, without being Jewish.

I know of this story, and boy did THIS cause an uproar in Israel!

Rabbi Kaduri Reveals Name of the Messiah

Monday, April 30, 2007
Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah
Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.
With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. ¬The secret note said:
Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.
This I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri
The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim
The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. ¬The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” ¬The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.
With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.
When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.
The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. ¬The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.
Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.
Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.

KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH
A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)
Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.
Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.
His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:
“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.
“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 09:32 AM by openminded2011

It will never happen in a million years. All the factions on all sides are too entrenched. It would take a supernatural intervention for that to happen and even that probably wouldn't convince the sides to stop fighting.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 11:55 AM by REDCZAR

reply to post by rigel4

I with you Comrade, move all the Israeli's to a "Concentration center" in Siberia". That will provide the Russian people with plenty of work raising Ovcharka dogs, providing camp security. Just keep them contained. Let them try and start trouble in Siberia. I have faith in Putin. He can keep them in line.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 02:17 PM by romanmel

Originally posted by REDCZAR
reply to post by rigel4

I with you Comrade, move all the Israeli's to a "Concentration center" in Siberia". That will provide the Russian people with plenty of work raising Ovcharka dogs, providing camp security. Just keep them contained. Let them try and start trouble in Siberia. I have faith in Putin. He can keep them in line.

Though this may have been said here in jest, one need only read Ezekiel 39 to understand what will happen to Russia (Gog) when they attack Israel:

Ezekiel 39
1Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

6And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 02:46 PM by Razimus

Their holiest sites are there, proving they occupied it for thousands of years. Give 'em a break.

This is what will happen to Israel from a Christian perspective:

The Muslim/Communist world will gang up on Israel. God will protect them. After fighting off numbers impossible to fight off they will stand strong for a while but will eventually be invaded. Shortly after this invasion God will personally appear in Israel, saving the Jews, only this will convince all Jews that Jesus is God.

Looking at it from an historical standpoint, Judaism is the veteran religion and should have a right to its claims, Christianity even has more right to its claim than the new religion known as Islam

Judaism - 3,000 Years old
Christianity - 2,000 Years old
Islam - 1,400 Years old

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 04:21 PM by maceov

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by REDCZAR
reply to post by rigel4

I with you Comrade, move all the Israeli's to a "Concentration center" in Siberia". That will provide the Russian people with plenty of work raising Ovcharka dogs, providing camp security. Just keep them contained. Let them try and start trouble in Siberia. I have faith in Putin. He can keep them in line.

Though this may have been said here in jest, one need only read Ezekiel 39 to understand what will happen to Russia (Gog) when they attack Israel:

Ezekiel 39
1Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

6And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

Romanmel,

You are a man after my own heart (or if you're a woman - same thing! LOL) I was tempted to answer this nonsense, but saw you've already done so and quite eloquently. One day, the mockers and scoffers will see and know that there is a God in Israel, and his champion, Michael, the Great Defender of Israel does so with great might and power.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 04:25 PM by maceov

Originally posted by Razimus
Their holiest sites are there, proving they occupied it for thousands of years. Give 'em a break.

This is what will happen to Israel from a Christian perspective:

The Muslim/Communist world will gang up on Israel. God will protect them. After fighting off numbers impossible to fight off they will stand strong for a while but will eventually be invaded. Shortly after this invasion God will personally appear in Israel, saving the Jews, only this will convince all Jews that Jesus is God.

Looking at it from an historical standpoint, Judaism is the veteran religion and should have a right to its claims, Christianity even has more right to its claim than the new religion known as Islam

Judaism - 3,000 Years old
Christianity - 2,000 Years old
Islam - 1,400 Years old

Thank you Razimus. I'm encouraged with the voices of reason I've encountered here. Although, I think Judaism is a little older than that. It dates back to Abraham of Ur, not just King David of Israel. S'alright, let them talk their smack. We are only strengthened and made to prosper in the darkness of persecution.

reply posted on 30-11-2011 @ 07:10 PM by banishedfromthisarea

Originally posted by ChrisF231
Why should Israel have to move?

How about the Arabs grow up and stop acting like lunatics. All the Israelis want is to be able to live in peace. If the Arabs would stop shooting rockets and bombing their shopping malls and merely accept Israel's right to exist we wouldent have a problem. Egypt and Jordan are the only Middle Eastern nations that have accepted that Israel has a right to exist. That's sad.

Peace will never, ever happen. Someone has to leave - either the Jews leave or the Arabs leave or both leave. In a democracy, the Jews would leave since they are the least numerous. In a Republic, the Arabs would leave because the Jews would have beat them to the electorate. In fairness, they both ought to leave and that land be permanently abandoned by the World as a memorial to the fact that humans can't regulate themselves and get along with each other. Heck, we all ought to leave - we should find the most peaceful people on Earth and sterilize the rest of us.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 03:28 AM by BRAVO949

I tried to read all the posts before suggesting this but - they just kept coming!

So, I hope I am not repeating another poster's idea but I propose Halley's Comet.

Relocating Israel to a comet that only comes near us non-chosen people every 75 years just sounds like a great idea.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 04:58 AM by The Old American

They've already been relocated twice. It's someone else's turn.

/TOA

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reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 10:44 AM by BRAVO949

It is so funny to read the posts of the pro-Zionists on this thread.

They make all sorts of claims but the "A nation can not be moved" statements is the most ridiculous because the Zionists moved the nation of Palestine right out of existence and moved a false nation right in its place.

If they moved in - they can move out.

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The fact is - Jews don't want to live in Palestine and are moving out every day.

Israeli Jews have insisted that Poland, France, Germany and other countries grant them citizenship based on the country of origin of parents and grandparents. Many Israel Jews have moved to these countries as well as to the US of course and Canada and Australia.

Israel is basically relocating itself.

Israel has not future as a Jewish state because Jews don't want to live there.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 02:01 PM by rationaluser

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Won't work. God gave that land to the Jews. It is their land, not yours to give away or take away.

Implying god exists
Implying Jewish specific god exists
Perhaps we should create a land just for white christians and call it Goadonia and black jews and asian Muslims can't join our mighty military and because every other country hates us it proves our point we will take the bible literally and become backwards in our beliefs that goadonia is the one true nation under our lord Jesus Christ reliant on America for military supplies fuel tactical prowess and the finest spy network in the world (that gets caught assassinating and stealing identities on CCTV)

It is logic like this which will be the end of the middle east as we know it EGO and religion will destroy mankind in the belief that one religions sky daddy unicorn FSM (insert mythical deity here) tells someone to kill x or kill y we have created the tools of our own destruction not in weapons but in the belief that a deity has absolute morals when infact people are blind to the truth... it is people that preach, priests, reverend's the mullah's in iran the rabbi's that dictate morals through cherry picking and appealing to emotion I IMPLORE YOU to see sense even if I can do nothing about it WE can not as a community but as a movement to abolish religion and move towards progress in technology, all civilizations collapse but right now I can see how a holy war which i did not start but will pay for with my life I would gladly believe in a god if there were not so much arrogance in the world.

Perhaps one day people will learn to accept responsibility and become MEN amongst children rather than squabbling over land. Borders change all the time ideologies do not sadly I swear humanity sickens me whatever happened to understanding and mutual respect. IMHO no one should get Israel get the Jews to Hawaii or somewhere and send the Palestinians to the Pitcairn islands then no one's a threat to anyone and no one looses or wins and Isreal can be used to test WMD's biblical apocalypse averted Palestinians safe Jews safe win win

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 09:22 PM by Wildmanimal

reply to post by jude11

I respect your opinion Jude11,

But I Strongly disagree with your reply.

Just the fact that you toss around the concept or dropping "nukes"

so lightly concerns me.

I know in the past that I have spoken words out of anger/emotion which could be taken out of context,

I give you the benefit of the doubt that this is the case here with you.

reply posted on 2-12-2011 @ 09:26 PM by lampsalot

I like the idea of giving the Jews Alaska. If things worked out a bit differently, Alaska could have become the new Israel - there was a plan to relocate them there.

reply posted on 3-12-2011 @ 03:00 PM by BRAVO949

If you moved the Israeli population to Alaska they would invade the Yukon and have the US taxpayers fund illegal Apartheid Jew-only settlements and roads in the Yukon within days.

Where they are located is not really the problem.

It is their racist attitude that needs adjusting.

Originally posted by lampsalot
I like the idea of giving the Jews Alaska. If things worked out a bit differently, Alaska could have become the new Israel - there was a plan to relocate them there.