Shuttle Plume Shadow Points to the Moon: rare coincidence!!, page 1
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reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 06:05 AM by SilentE
reply to post by elevenaugust


Great picture, thanks.
s&f for you.

I haven't got anything else to say......Picture says it all.



reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 09:58 AM by Saint Exupery
reply to post by Illustronic


There is so much wrong with your post that I am surprised and disappointed in you.

You ask how shadows can be cast on clear air, and you show us a photo of shadows being cast on clear air.

Your photo is looking towards the Sun. Obviously the shadows will appear to be radiating outwards. The cloud shadows will appear to be going "upward". However...

This is just a trick of perspective. The shadows are actually parallel.

The OP photo is looking away from the Sun. Perspective will make the shadows converge to the sub-solar point 180 degrees from the Sun. The cloud shadows will appear to be moving downwards from the cloud to the sub-solar point.

In this picture, you see railroad tracks and power lines diverging from the vanishing point. The power lines appear to be going up outwards from the vanishing point. If you were standing there and turned to face the other way, you would not see the power lines continuing to diverge upwards, any more than you would expect to see the railroad tracks continuing to diverge. The tracks & power lines would appear to converge towards the opposite vanishing point.

It's OK to not understand things like perspective. This is a learning site, and your photo combined with the OP photo created a dandy opportunity to learn about the subject.

However...

Rather than expressing curiousity about something you did not yet understand, you made a blanket statement about what we should see that did not consider the possibility that your expectations might be in error. Again, this is not a total sin, just symptomatic of a closed mind (which is why I was so surprised to see it coming from you).

What really ticks me off is that on the basis of your ignorant and erroneous expectations, you accused the folks at APoD of posting a "bogus explanation".

THAT was offensive and uncalled-for.
edit on 27-11-2011 by Saint Exupery because: I needed to soften the blow.



reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 10:38 AM by Illustronic
reply to post by Saint Exupery


Well I never saw a shadow cast in the sky before, what I have seen are light rays like in my photo. They are lighter than the sky, the gaps in between the light rays are the same shade as the sky, not darker than the sky.

Your photo reads Forbidden. I see the photo below your post though and I never saw anything like that. I understand perspective.
edit on 27-11-2011 by Illustronic because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 10:44 AM by Trillium
reply to post by elevenaugust


Awsome S&F
My take Alien on Moon shoot a dark mater laser to stop the mission
look like they fail


reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 11:17 AM by CLPrime
reply to post by Illustronic


The shadow is, in fact, the same shade as the sky. That is, the sky which is already in twilight, toward the horizon (and nearer the ground, though that's not as obvious, since we don't normally notice much colour to the sky we stand in). If we define a 'shadow' as being the complete absence of light, then no one's ever truly seen a shadow. What we would call a 'shadow', though, is any blockage of light. In the picture you posted of the sun's rays through the clouds, the shadow is the space between those rays. You might say the shadow is the entire sky, save for the rays of sunlight shining through the clouds.

Also, the angle of the shadow is an illusion caused by perspective. It's not really aimed down at the Moon, you have to keep in mind that the shuttle is at an extremely high altitude and both the Sun and the opposite side of the sky are extremely far away - and we're extremely small in comparison. In real estate, the saying may be "location, location, location," but, in this case, it's "perspective, perspective, perspective." Perspective is everything here.
edit on 27-11-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)




reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 07:15 PM by Lighterside
reply to post by Illustronic

I'm just super curious. If there were any sort of "cover up" in the "bogus" explanations for this photo.... what is it that's being covered up?

I'll make a few guesses...

- Dark matter chemtrails
- The shadow of Niburu
- HAARP attacking astronauts
- Superman on a flyby
- The spread of metal particulates into the atmosphere to refract light from the heavens in order to hide the view of giant blue planets coming into view (no really)

Any of these? Hot? Cold? I wanna know!


reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 07:22 PM by Char-Lee
reply to post by elevenaugust

Still it is weird looking. Looks like a light from the moon hits the missile and turns it. Was the missile just supposed to go up and fizzle as a test or what is it aimed at?


reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 07:58 PM by grubblesnert
Originally posted by Illustronic
I have at least three issues with the photo explanation. How does an irregular plume cast such a straight geometric shadow? How can a shadow be cased on a sky? We can see light rays through dense fog, sometimes rays of light through clouds, but we do not see shadow rays in a sky and this sky looks relatively clear. Here's the kicker, if the sun is very low or has set how then is this shadow directed from such a high angle? If this is a shadow of the plume from a low sun such shadow should be directed up, and you still can't see a shadow in the sky until it blocks light landing on an object. I'm shocked Astronomy Picture of the Day offers such a bogus explanation.

What you see below are light rays through clouds from a setting sun, you do not see casted shadows, and they are directed up and away from the light source.


I grew up in Titusville lived there from the time I was 5 years old (1965) until 28 (1988) when I moved to Cocoa Beach were I currently reside. Meaning I've seen literally hundreds and hundreds of space launches . Many with this type of shadow. I've seen launches from many different perspectives E.G. Titusville, Merritt Island, Cape Canaveral (the City) and Cocoa Beach. Trust me this is not a hoax. It is real, not a conspiracy. It is real trust me

P.S. I rechecked the OPs photo. I'm guessing this photo was taken at one of the VIP or Guest areas on KSC. Given the size and angle of the plume. From T-ville the plume looks more or less straight up and sometimes the lower part obscures the upper part. From Cocoa Beach, my front yard& main veiwing area, it is an arch. Merritt Island is were I saw the most distinct "shadow" aprox. late afternoon on a blue sky day. North Sykes Creek Parkway area between 520 and N. Banana River dr. if you know the area. This may have been the same launch as the one photographed now that I think of it !?!?!
edit on 27-11-2011 by grubblesnert because: because I'm an American! and therefor feel entitled.


reply posted on 27-11-2011 @ 08:04 PM by Saint Exupery
reply to post by Illustronic


Cool site! okmark>

I see on this page that the phenomenon we are talking about is called "anticrepuscular rays".

Yeah, I'm sure I'll still remember that term in 10 minutes...

Hmm... Say it out loud. Sounds like something from a sci-fi movie!
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